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INVESTIGATION )
GRAND JURY NO.
25 GJ 994
BEFORE THE FEDERAL GRAND JURY (Special June 2024 Grand Jury) October 9, 2025 2:28 o'clock p.m.
PRESENT:
THE HONORABLE ANDREW S. BOUTROS Interim United States Attorney, by MS. SHERI MECKLENBURG MR. MATTHEW SKIBA Assistant United States Attorney Chicago, Illinois 60604 (The Grand Jury having convened at 2:28 o'clock p.m. on the 9th day of October 2025, pursuant to adjournment, met in closed session and the following proceedings were had herein.)
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INDEX
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Direct Examination by Ms. Mecklenburg.... 3 - 76
EXHIBITS
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Grand Jury Exhibit 1
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EVAN HYLTON
having entered the Grand Jury room, was sworn by
the Foreperson as follows:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Sheri Mecklenburg.
I'm happy to be
We're here -- I'll
back.
introduce my co-counsel in a minute.
on 25 GJ 994.
With me today is Matthew Skiba.
Matt is my partner on this case, and he hasn't
been in the office very long.
partner.
an interesting case.
He has been a great
I'm very lucky to have him.
We're here
THE COURT REPORTER:
So this is
Can you go to
the mic?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Yes.
This is a
It's a little different.
very interesting case.
I purposely asked if I could wait for the Thursday
grand jury.
I did.
Matt. will vouch for me.
I said I
want to go in front of the Thursday grand jury
because I know you and I trust you and yoU know me
and you trust me, and I would never ask you to
charge somebody if I didn't think there was
probable cause and you know you've asked me before
"Well, what about this person?"
And I said "I
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don't charge people unless I'm absolutely sure."
So this case I want you to do what
we have done and that is put aside any personal
feelings.
ICE facility.
personal feelings.
do with that.
It arises out of the protests at the I want you to put aside your Your politics have nothing to
I ask that you follow the facts and the law and if there is probable cause to charge,
then that's what I ask you to do.
about any particular policy or anything else.
It's just whether people can do certain things
that break the law or not.
covered all .of those warnings with you.
And it's not
So let me make sure I
I don't think I need to go into all
of them because you guys have been doing this a
long time, but I want to just remind you that this
is not -- this is a probable cause standard.
not the guilt-finding phase that the -- you're not
asked to consider the wisdom of Congress for
making something a crime.
It's
The punishment does not matter to
you because, that, we try to work out as we go
along very often as you know.
asked to decide the facts from the evidence
You're just being
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presented and the only other thing I want to
remind you that you have -- you have sworn to
uphold your duties fairly and impartially.
should not let sympathy, prejudice, fear or public
opinion influence you.
You
Finally, if you have questions
during your deliberations, I ask that you come out
and let me know so that we can address your
questions rather than you just decide on your own
that there's a problem.
So I'm going to give you a few
seconds of what this case is and then we're going
to call in a witness and we're going to show you
some videos and photos.
This case arises at the Broadview
Have you had anything arising out
ICE facility.
of the Broadview ICE facility?
GRAND JURY:
No.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
We're the first.
It is being used as a detention facility by ICE
right now and what you're going to see -- and,
remember, my summary is not evidence.
testimony.
you a summary.
and the exhibits will be the evidence.
It's not evidence.
It's not
I'm just giving
The testimony and the documents
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An agent pulled into -- pulled his
car into the street that leads up to Broadview
where he was going.
was from another state.
he is to report.
He was not from Illinois.
He
He was told that's where
He is a supervisor of the facilities
He is the person who makes sure
and he is there.
that all the supplies are there and there's
staffing and everything.
As he pulls in past the gate and as
he gets there, there are a crowd of protesters and
they see him and they surround his car and you'll
see the video.
posted the video.
There is video of it.
They all
They surround his car and they are
banging on the hood and they are banging on the
windows and they are pushing up against -- they're
standing in front of the car.
against the front of the car so that he -- trying
to prevent him from moving, I guess, and they're
chanting, they're scratching into the car.
They're pushing up
His driver -- you'll see evidence
that his driver's side mirror was broken off,
You'll see evidence that his back windshield was
broken off.
You'll see evidence that his car was
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scratched and dented, and you will see evidence
that somebody scratched the word "Pig" into the
car.
And I will just tell you this.
This
is definitely not testimony, but you will see it
for yourself.
agent keeping his cool and inching, inching
forward, nobody got hurt.
It's common sense.
Just by that
The first time I watched it
thought, oh, my God.
got hurt.
done something, it would have been a tragedy.
fortunately we are not here for that.
What happens here?
Nobody
If he had lost his cool in any way and
So
But I'm going to present to you an
agent who is going to walk us through the videos
and then we're going to show you how we identified
-- we have an interview of Agent A we're going to
tell you about who is the driver and then we're
going to talk about how we identified people in
the video and it's kind of an interesting thing
because what you do is you find a social media
account -- you'll hear this evidence.
And then you see that they posted a
video of the incident and then you see that
somebody -- they liked someone else's post of the
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video so you go to their post of the video and you
see that they tagged someone else and you go to
theirs and if you pull all of their faces, you
recognize them in the video.
And, of course, some people were
posting "I was there, and I was one of the
people."
end, I will tell you about the law, and we'll ask
you for an indictment.
So that was helpful.
And then in the
We're asking you for an
indictment on a conspiracy that they all together
did this and on a 110 -- it's -- the second count
is a misdemeanor assault on an officer.
First is the felony.
The second we
So I'm going to make sure my
have a misdemeanor.
computer is up, you know I don't usually bring my
computer, and get it going.
you want to get him?
You want to get -- do
MADAM FOREPERSON:
Are we having the
indictments today?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Yes, I have an
indictment today.
I have an indictment with a
conspiracy count and then a one -- each person
there's six defendants.
separate 110 misdemeanor count.
Okay.
Each person will have a
Let's see what I got.
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know this makes me very concerned.
was worried about.
documents won't come up.
from the agent or -- I can't get anything.
Unbelievable.
have it on a disk, which doesn't play as well, but
we'll all have to get through it, and I will get
right to you, agent.
Nothing is coming -- my I might have to do it
Let's see if this will work.
I will just
Set it up real quick.
activate your computer.
There is a USB behind the monitor.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
going to work.
Okay.
Can you please
State and spell your name for the record.
We'll find out.
raise your right hand?
I think this is
MADAM FOREPERSON:
I
Okay.
THE COURT REPORTER:
This is what I
THE WITNESS:
Evan Hylton, E-v-a-n
H-y-1-t-o-n.
MADAM FOREPERSON:
Do you solemnly
swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to
give before this grand jury to tell the truth, the
whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you
God?
THE WITNESS:
I do.
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(Whereupon, the witness
was sworn.)
Thanks.
DIRECT
EXAMINATION
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At this time, I would like to
Does anybody have any
present the law to you.
questions for our agent before he -- before I
allow -- ask him to step out while we talk about
the law?
Yes.
GRAND JURY:
When that agent was in
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the vehicle by himself in the middle of the mob,
was he asked -- did he indicate why he didn't call
for backup or for any help?
THE WITNESS:
Yes.
In the
interview, he indicated that he was more concerned
that there were so many people in front of his
car, that he didn't really have the wherewithal or
the ability to call for help because he was afraid
that someone was going to get stuck under the car.
So he was more concerned with making sure he was
going slow and not running anybody over. Thank you.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
MADAM FOREPERSON:
Are those six people in this because you're able to identify them and the others -MS. MECKLENBURG:
I will answer that
I will tell you the investigation
for you.
continues.
MADAM FOREPERSON:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
MADAM FOREPERSON:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Obviously there's
more than six people here at the scene.
Yes?
Okay.
I might be back.
Okay.
I might not.
But
for right now, these are six people who we are
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comfortable have been identified.
continue.
think we might have identified, but not sure.
I'm not bringing you anyone who we
MADAM FOREPERSON:
GRAND JURY:
THE COURT REPORTER:
GRAND JURY:
Following up on
the other question, he said.
GRAND JURY:
Couldn't he have
stopped?
I can't hear
Following up on the
MS. MECKLENBURG:
How about the stop --
other question.
Okay.
this.
Identifications
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Couldn't he have
stopped?
GRAND JURY:
If he is afraid of
running over people, isn't the right thing to do
to stop?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Well, didn't you
hear the testimony that he said he was afraid to
stop because he was afraid they were going to
break the windows and pull him out and he would be
injured?
So he said -- the testimony was that he said he was concerned about stopping for his
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own safety and he was concerned about the safety And this
So he had to balance it.
in the front.
is not testimony now, but I would argue he did a
pretty good job of balancing it because nobody got
hurt.
I know.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
talk about the right thing.
stopped?
GRAND JURY:
So you want to What if he had
But it's the flip of
the thing is can't you say he was trying to run
over the people?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
think when you saw that video GRAND JURY:
It's a bad
question -MS. MECKLENBURG:
No.
Did you really
I understand
what --
THE COURT REPORTER:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
What?
Wait.
Do you have
questions for the agent because I'll stay and go
through the law.
want.
I'm going to argue anything you
GRAND JURY:
Okay.
GRAND JURY:
Could you -- one of the
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videos it looked like there was another vehicle
behind the agent's --
Could you show the video?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Another vehicle
behind what?
It looked like there
GRAND JURY:
was another vehicle behind the truck. I can answer that.
THE WITNESS:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
THE WITNESS:
Okay.
That is a public
street and there's private businesses there to
include, I believe, a trucking company.
that was an 18-wheeler with a tractor and trailer
behind that vehicle.
GRAND JURY:
second?
Could you show one
I just want to see that for my own -MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
THE WITNESS:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
That would be yes.
Yes, it's at the end.
There's going to
be another one.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Is that at the end
of the passenger side?
I think
Can we see it again?
Of course.
want another one?
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video.
THE WITNESS:
Maybe it was the other
It's this video.
It's
just further along.
GRAND JURY:
Okay.
Did you
did
anybody try to identify the truck and talk to the
truck driver of the vehicle who was behind him?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
you this.
I will just tell
That's not evidence that we're
presenting today.
GRAND JURY:
Okay.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
The evidence that
we're presenting today we believe establishes
probable cause.
investigation continues, we may interview
additional witnesses, but once we have the video
and we have identified the people in the video,
that is -- that is what we believe is our probable
cause.
There may be -- as the
So we're not -- we're asking you to
indict on probable cause based on the evidence
that we have.
talk to people, but this is very fast happening
and this happened, like, less than two weeks ago.
I have one there.
It doesn't mean that we won't go
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The scratches on the
vehicle, do you have anything showing the vehicle
prior to this incident to prove that those
scratches happened during this incident?
also sat there for five days after the incident.
So what
have those scratches happened during that
incident?
And it
I guess I'm asking what proof do you
THE WITNESS:
So as far as the
facility, that's a secure, gated facility under
24/7 surveillance.
there until I took photos of it.
the agent is what I'm going on based on he should
know the condition of the vehicle.
So I can speak to it sitting The testimony of
I'm not going to speak for him, but
I know for government vehicles you are supposed to
essentially let your automotive unit know if there
is any damage to your vehicle and that is
something that is very closely tracked.
now it's the testimony of the agent.
GRAND JURY:
So right
Were those records
checked, the condition of the auto before?
THE WITNESS:
So she mentioned, it's
So these are all things that will,
still ongoing.
again, be pulled.
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MS. MECKLENBURG:
out to you.
testimony.
Let me just point
This is argument.
This is not his
This is my argument.
I don't think in your common sense
and experience you would believe that the agent
was driving around with the word pig etched into
his car and his mirror broken and his rear
windshield broken before this incident.
That would be hard -- that would be
a stretch of your common sense to believe that and
you can use your common sense, which is why I came
to the Thursday grand jury.
MADAM FOREPERSON:
Go ahead.
Was the vehicle
fingerprinted?
THE WITNESS:
Yes, it was.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
And those
fingerprints are also pending.
get those, but based on this, any other questions
for the agent before I let him go?
MADAM FOREPERSON:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
MADAM FOREPERSON:
We will be able to
I'm sorry.
No.
I don't know if
this is a legal question or a question for the
agent.
I'm pretty sure it's legal.
Is it against the law to touch --
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MS. MECKLENBURG:
MADAM FOREPERSON:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Stop right there.
Okay.
When you say "is
it against the law," that goes to me, not the
agent.
MADAM FOREPERSON:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Sorry.
Okay.
If you
don't have any more questions, I'm going to then
excuse the agent and then I'm going to go into the
law and the indictment.
Thank you, agent.
outside just in case.
(Whereupon, the agent left the
room.)
If you can wait
MS. MECKLENBURG:
I want to go to
So this screen so we can do -- I'm
the Elmo now.
going back to the old-fashioned way.
So let me start with the first
statute that I'm asking you for charges under.
It's conspiracy to impede or injure an officer.
If two or more persons in any state,
territory, possession conspire to prevent by
force, intimidation or threat any person -- whoa,
what is going on with this?
to make it not --
What do I have to hit
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an auto focus thing.
about that.
It's
It goes in and out.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Oh, yeah.
MADAM FOREPERSON:
Yeah, I forgot
Doesn't it drive you nuts?
Any person from accepting or holding
any office, trust or place of confidence under the
United States or from discharging any duties
thereof or in -- the next clause doesn't apply --
where his duties as an officer are required to be
performed or to injure him -- or to injure him in
his person or property on account of his lawful
discharge of his duties of his office or while
engaged in the lawful discharge thereof or to
injure his property so as to molest, interrupt,
hinder or impede him in the discharge of his
official duties, each such person shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned or both. Now, you'll see in the indictment
the words "hinder" and "impede."
words that I used for the charges.
testimony that he was on his way.
facility to report for his official duties.
Question.
GRAND JURY:
Those are the And you heard He was at the
I understand the
hindering and impeding --
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MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Yes.
-- but the conspiring?
Conspiring -- you
can move from circumstances -- I should have
addressed this right out.
A conspiracy is just an agreement.
It doesn't have to be where we sit down and
discuss let's do this together.
people all did this together which shows they all
It's that these
agreed to get in front and on the sides and hinder
and impede this officer.
Did you see the part in the video
where they all saw he was making some progress and
they all started yelling "Get up front.
front," and then they all start running to the
front.
Get up
That's in the video that I showed you. So they all run to the front of the
car together to hinder and impede the car.
is a conspiracy under the law, and I should tell
you under the law for a conspiracy, this is --
remember when your parents told you when you were
young "Be careful who you hang with"?
conspiracy means that you are -- anyone in the
conspiracy is responsible for anything anyone else
does.
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into a bank to rob it and I think nobody is going
to get hurt and he shoots someone, I also am
accountable.
Whatever happens is also my fault.
happened out there, you don't -- we don't have to
find the person who scratched "Pig" into the car
We just have to show that they were
We had an agreement to go do this.
Whatever
all doing this and they were all making this
happen and what we showed you for each of the
people named in the indictment every single one of
those people who we showed you had their hands on
the car, bracing against the car, doing -- pushing
their bodies against the car trying to impede or
hinder the car, trying to break the mirror, trying
to -- and banging on the car.
they were all doing something in that group.
GRAND JURY:
We showed you that
Does the term
"conspiracy" in any way imply that there is prior
thought to this action?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
No, not
You and I could decide together
'
necessarily.
right now to go -- do something right on the spot
and that's a conspiracy.
element of conspiracy to prove prior planning,
It's not -- it's not an
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prior thought.
conspiracy statute that that's not an element of
it.
Question down there.
GRAND JURY:
Can your actions
Yes.
be a conspiracy as well because you know what the
other person is doing?
can agree by action.
You
Yes?
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Thank you.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Okay.
So you had a
question.
MADAM FOREPERSON:
I'm just -- like
If I'm there and I find it
how far does this go?
interesting and I take my cell phone out, and I'm
just recording it, am I part of it now?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
That's a great
question, and I will tell you that for at least
now, we have identified people who were there and
walking alongside and recording or watching or
doing other things there and we did not charge
them.
they are.
We only -- we identified them.
We know who
But we only charged people who are actually with their hands on the car attempting to
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hinder and impede the car.
want to go back through the video again.
kill me if I did.
and their
walking along with it.
charged.
You'll see people walking along
some are filming it.
Some are just
None of these people are
Is it against the
MADAM FOREPERSON:
You'd
law to touch a law enforcement vehicle whether
it's --
If you're
MS. MECKLENBURG:
walking -- okay.
If you're walking in a parking
lot and there's a law enforcement vehicle and you
go (indicating), that's not against the law, but
if you're touching it in a way that is to hinder
and impede it, like standing in front of the car
and holding the car and bracing yourself and
pushing against the car and you are right in front
of it, that is hindering and impeding the car.
If you are banging on the car, if
you are grabbing the mirror so the driver can't
really go, if you're doing all that, that is not
just like touching the car.
impeding under the law.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
That's hindering and
Okay.
So for 372 -- any
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other questions before I get you to Section 111,
which is the misdemeanor?
forcefully assaults, resists, opposes, impedes,
intimidates or interferes with any person
designated in Section 114 of this title -- and let
me tell you what 114 is.
So this is that whoever
I added that.
It's an officer, employee of the
United States who is engaged in the performance of
the official duties.
So that would be our Agent
And then I'm going to take you down from that,
A.
from this, to show where the acts constitute only
simple assault and that's all I'm asking for here,
just simple misdemeanor.
It's not the felony.
It goes on to
talk about a felony, but I don't ask for a felony
here.
assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates
or interferes with any officer while he is engaged
with his duties has violated Section 111.
So this is just the assault -- whoever
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
for his duties.
Yes?
He was on his way?
He was reporting
He was about --
GRAND JURY:
He didn't actually show
up, right?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
He is two minutes
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from getting there, but they impeded him from
getting there.
GRAND JURY:
there yet, correct?
He wasn't actually
I don't know why
MS. MECKLENBURG:
that would matter.
I'm asking you.
GRAND JURY:
You tell me.
Because the way I'm
reading this is you're interfering with him
getting to his duty, not actually doing his duty.
Not getting to his job.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
He can't do his
duty if you are impeding him from getting there
and doing it.
hinder him in getting there in doing his duty,
getting there to perform his duties?
MR. SKIBA:
Did they, along the way, impede and
So he was on-site.
He
was just about -- he had flashed his badge.
He
was on the way to the facility that he manages,
and that's when he was stopped.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
grounds of the facility that he manages.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
He's on the
He is the manager?
He is one of the
people that manages the facility.
.
He is the
So he is there to go and
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make sure they have staffing, bedding, to answer
public inquiries about things.
manager people.
like that.
He is one of the
He's not in uniform or anything
Okay.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
He's not -- yeah,
he's not in uniform.
He's not out there to arrest
people.
and that was the testimony that he was not in
He is there to just manage the facility
uniform and that he was there just for the
facility.
GRAND JURY:
Thank you for that
clarification.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
I didn't realize -GRAND JURY:
I have another question
about the video.
At the start of it, he said he had to go through a checkpoint with local police?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
Yes.
Okay.
And at some
point, are we going to hear about their
perspective on this?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
There are a lot of
different factors that come into this as to
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whether local police -- whether their
jurisdictions allow them to get involved in ICE
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matters.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Okay.
to touch politics with a ten-foot pole.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
And I do not want
T don't blame you.
I can tell you
that Matt and I are both making sure in
approaching this case that we're putting blinders
on to politics.
So I'm not --
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
I just want to -I'm not telling
you if we go to trial that there won't be
additional witnesses, but keep in mind you're not
here -- we're not here to put on the whole trial,
just the probable cause.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Oh, I know.
And at this point
we might see if those officers are able -- I'll
get to you in one second.
testify, but right now calling them, I don't
want -- we don't want to start with their
jurisdiction and have them say "We are not coming
there to help you."
Sorry.
Able to
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GRAND JURY:
Yes.
Two parts.
the simple assault part of the resisting,
opposing, impeding?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Yes.
Is
If you do
that, then it's simple assault.
additional factors for it to be a felony and Matt
and I decided that we are not going to ask you to
find those additional factors for a felony.
GRAND JURY:
But the conspiracy is a
felony?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
You have to have
The conspiracy is
a felony.
GRAND JURY:
This person wasn't
harmed, but by extension impeding and assaulting
his vehicle, that constitutes simple assault?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Yes.
have to touch the person for it.
require that you actually touch him.
You don't
The law does not
And, in fact, let's just say that
you're going to pick up your children at school
and I come along and I stand in front of your
vehicle and I am not moving, I'm not going to let
you go through.
and I push back.
you from going to pick up your children.
Maybe I put my hand on your car I'm hindering you and impeding
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no question.
So that's the kind of analogy that
would use to show that.
personally touched.
and get you.
you're going.
I don't have to go in the car
I'm not letting you proceed to where
GRAND JURY:
That's considered
simple assault?
•
You don't have to be
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Yes, that would be
simple, which is why we're asking for simple, not
felony.
GRAND JURY:
That's why I go back to
my question and use your analogy.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
Okay.
So if the person comes
and stands in front of my car, do I have the right
to drive against him?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
We are not
going -- we don't need to address that today
because it didn't happen.
GRAND JURY:
It happened.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
He moved.
It did not happen
that he drove into any of them such that any of
them were actually knocked over, hit.
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It's just luck.
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MS. MECKLENBURG:
No, it wasn't
luck.
It was his calmness and his judgment to drive as
slowly as possible as he could and not hit
anybody.
Oh, no, it wasn't -- sir, it was not luck.
It wasn't just luck.
GRAND JURY:
Let me go back to my
question.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
Yes.
So can I drive slowly
without intent of harm to that person who is
standing in front of the vehicle?
MS. MECKLENBURG:
It would depend on
the circumstances.
people advice if you go do it and say, oh, no,
Sheri said.
you.
I don't want to give you
I don't want to be the one to tell
It would depend on the circumstance.
GRAND JURY:
The argument is they
are pushing back so they won't get hurt.
driving toward them.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
He was
And my argument to
that would be you saw in the video space all
around where they could have walked away.
didn't actually have to stay there.
Am I losing people?
THE COURT REPORTER:
They
We're way over.
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I don't want to
So we could debate all of these
lose you.
hypotheticals all afternoon, but my next person is
probably screaming about me.
you know, we could debate it.
So I don't want
We believe that we have shown you
probable cause for what we are asking for today.
I'm going to tell you that the indictment has
Count 1 under 372, conspiracy for all of these
people, and it says what they were each doing and
then Counts 2 through 7 -- through 6 -- I'm
sorry -- through 7 is a count for each of these
people for the misdemeanor 110 -- 111, and I see
that this printed a little bit off, but if you
sign it, I will get the right one to the court.
GRAND JURY:
I'm sorry.
last question.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
I have one
Yeah.
The felony for the
conspiracy --
MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
Yes.
-- I understand we have
to indict, but I didn't think the misdemeanors
were indicted -- because we had something similar
and he charged felony --
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in one indictment.
Can I bring the misdemeanors without
you?
I believe I could.
GRAND JURY:
MS. MECKLENBURG:
right.
I think that's
I don't need to.
I thought you didn't
even need to bring a misdemeanor.
Yes, I put it all
MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
Okay.
Then I guess
I'm -- why are we -MS. MECKLENBURG:
That's why.
It's all in one
Do you want me to go
indictment.
back and just bring you the conspiracy in an
indictment?
Is that what you guys want?
MADAM FOREPERSON:
GRAND JURY:
I personally feel the
complete opposite way.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
GRAND JURY:
No.
Pardon?
I said I personally
feel the complete opposite way.
MS. MECKLENBURG:
Okay.
You have a
I told you what I've told
right to feel that way.
you and it's up to you to decide what you want to
do as a group.
You have to deliberate and decide.
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If you're going to -- if you have questions, I
will be out there.
Okay.
Thank you.
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CERTIFICATE
I, STEVEN J. BRICKEY, CSR, RMR, CRR do
hereby certify that I reported the proceedings had
in the above matter before the Federal Grand Jury
in the Grand Jury Room in the United States Court
House at Chicago, Illinois, on the 9th day of
October, 2025, and that the foregoing is a true
and accurate transcript of said proceedings.
Thr* ,
Steven J. Brickey, CSR, RMR, CRR
084-004675
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