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Page 1 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF INDIANA
HAMMOND D IV IS IO N
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
P la in tiff,
vs.
NO. HCR 9 2 -1 1 3
LEE ANDREW EDWARDS,
JAMES DAVIS, a / k / a James
J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L i t t l e
Jam es, and LYNETTA P. DURR
D e fe n d a n ts .
%
T r i a l i n th e above e n t i t l e d cause was resum ed b e fo r e
th e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a id C o u r t, and a j u r y , a t
th e F e d e r a l B u i l d i n g , 507 S ta te S t r e e t , Hammond, I n d ia n a , on th e
1 2 th d a y o f M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , com m encing a t th e h o u r o f 8 :4 5 a .m .
APPEARANCES:
MR. DANIEL L . BELLA,
A s s i s t a n t U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y ,
1001 M a in S t r e e t , S u it e A ,
D y e r, In d ia n a 46311
on b e h a lf o f th e G o v e rn m e n t;
Us,
VOLUME 5
A
o^
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O FFIC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. DISTRICT COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

Page 2 APPEARANCES ( C o n t'd )
MR. BENJAMIN S. JACKSON,
442 N o r th C a lu m e t, S u ite 2 0 0 ,
C h e s te r to n , In d ia n a 46304
on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t Lee A ndrew E d w a rd s ;
MR. ROBERT TRUITT,
55 S o u th F r a n k lin S t r e e t ,
V a lp a r a is o , In d ia n a 46383,
on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t James D a v is ;
MR. JOHN MCGRATH,
1108 W est 1 3 3 rd A ve n u e ,
C edar L a k e , In d ia n a 46 303 ,
on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t L y n e t t a P. D u r r ;
D e fe n d a n ts P re s e n t i n
P e rs o n
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O FFIC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. DISTRICT COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

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( C o u r t opened a t 8 :4 5 a .m . w it h o u t th e
p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . )
1
ju r y
2
3
THE COURT:
4
ta p e s i t u a t i o n
5
a ro u n d ?
Good m o rn in g ,
g e n tle m e n .
and t r a n s c r i p t s i t u a t i o n
Do we have th e
s t r a ig h t e n e d
6
MR. BELLA:
Y e s, Y our H o n o r.
7
THE COURT:
A n y th in g c o u n s e l w a n t t o a d d re s s th e C o u r t
8
a b o u t b e fo r e
I c a l l th e
j u r y down?
MR. TRUITT:
N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r.
10
MR. MCGRATH:
N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r.
1
1
MR. JACKSON:
No, Y o u r H o n o r.
12
THE COURT;
9
C a ll th e j u r y .
M r. May, I d i d n ' t le a v e my
13
t r a n s c r i p t so I d o n 't know w here y o u 'r e
14
you w ant to p u t a paper c l i p
15
16
y o u 'r e
18
20
THE COURT;
M r. B e l l a ,
22
MR. BELLA:
24
25
Do
s ta n d ,
u n d e r o a th .
Good m o rn in g ,
l a d ie s
th e c o u r tr o o m ,
open c o u r t ,
and g e n tle m e n .
may be s e a te d .
21
23
th e w itn e s s
(The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d i n t o
and th e t r i a l was resum ed i n
r e p o r te d as f o l l o w s : )
17
19
s till
s ta rt.
o r s o m e th in g on m ine and —
M r. G u y to n , yo u can come b a ck t o
you r e a liz e
g o in g t o
yo u may c o n t in u e .
Thank y o u . Y o u r H o n o r.
You

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BRETT L . GUYTON
1
resum ed th e s ta n d , h a v in g b e e n . p r e v io u s ly d u ly sw o rn t o
t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h in g b u t th e
t r u t h , was e xa m ine d and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r as f o l l o w s ;
2
3
DIRECT EXAMINATION ( C o n t'd )
BY
MR. BELLA:
4
5
6
Q
M r. G uyton?
7
A
Y e s, s i r .
8
Q
You s t a r t e d
9
A
Y e s,
t e s t if y in g
y o u 'r e
11
s till
THE WITNESS:
13
MR. BELLA:
Q
I
th a t c o rre c t?
F o r th e
r e c o r d , M r. G u y to n , y o u r e a l i z e
u n d e r o a th .
12
14
is
s ir .
THE COURT:
10
y e s te rd a y ,
Y e s,
t h i n k when we l e f t
s ir .
o f f y e s te r d a y I was a s k in g y o u a b o u t
15
h a l f a d ip o f w h it e and how much i t
16
is
w as, and y o u s a id $ 1 7 5 ,
th a t r ig h t?
17
A
Y e s,
s ir .
18
Q
And a dim e was how much?
19
A
A mac o r tw o mac s p o o n s , M cD onald s p o o n s .
20
Q
I
21
A
Y e s, s i r .
22
Q
And t h i s
23
A
E i t h e r a t one o f th e tw o p la c e s ,
24
Q
W hat tw o ho u se s a re th e s e ?
25
A
M r. Edw ards was s t a y in g on 4 th and T a f t P la c e ,
see.
And t h a t w o u ld be $10?
phone y o u w ere a n s w e rin g , w he re was t h a t a t?
one o f th e
tw o h o u s e s .
and 1 5 th and

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1
T a ft.
2
Q
And yo u w o u ld be a t e i t h e r house?
3
A
Y e s,
4
Q
And a n sw er th e phone a t e i t h e r house?
5
A
Y e s,
s ir .
s ir .
6
MR. BELLA:
I f we may c o n tin u e w i t h
I
th e n e x t
7
c o n v e r s a t io n . Y o u r H o n o r,
t h i n k we have t h a t m a tte r
8
r e s o lv e d .
And I m ig h t add t h a t th e — on some o f th e s e
9
ta p e s as I
in d ic a t e d e a r l i e r ,
som etim e s t h e r e 's
more th a n
10
one c o n v e r s a tio n on th e ta p e and maybe f o r c o n v e n ie n c e
11
sake.
12
s e r ie s o f c o n v e r s a tio n s a lo n g w i t h
13
if
th e
14
15
I 'll
have S p e c ia l A g e n t May go th r o u g h th e e n t i r e
j u r y needs i n s t r u c t i o n s
THE COURT:
I d o n ' t know
a g a in on th e s e .
Why down y o u t u r n
th e e a rp h o n e s on and p u t
them o n .
16
Tim e o u t?
17
MR. MAY:
J u s t t o make s u r e , we s h o u ld be s t a r t i n g
18
on th e t h i r d
19
s a ys t h i s
20
S h o u ld be th e t h i r d
21
tr a n s c r ip t,
it
now
has a 302 on th e c o v e r t h a t
c o n v e r s a tio n to o k p la c e on S e ptem b er 21 a t 1 0 :4 8 .
t r a n s c r ip t in to
th e p a c k a g e .
And I b e lie v e w e 'r e g o in g t o p la y tw o c o n s e c u t iv e
22
fo llo w
23
th is
24
t h a t w o u ld f o l l o w
25
th e ta p e s .
one a f t e r th e o t h e r so w e 'r e n o t g o in g t o
c o n v e r s a t io n .
THE COURT:
W e 're g o in g t o
it
ru n i n t o
th a t
s to p a f t e r
a se co n d one
n a t u r a l l y on th e te le p h o n e .
I b e lie v e
t h a t 's
th e n i n t h
page i f
y o u 'r e

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1
s ta r tin g
fro m th e b e g in n in g .
2
d o n 't yo u r a is e y o u r h a n d ,
3
a t th e
When e v e r y b o d y 's t h e r e , why
t h a t way I ' l l
know e v e r y b o d y 's
r i g h t p la c e .
MR. MAY;
4
640
T h is i s
s till
E x h i b i t Number 4 8 .
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 4 8 , an a u d io ta p e
r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . )
5
6
MR. BELLA:
7
8
Q
M r. G u y to n , yo u h e a rd tw o ta p e s o f tw o c o n v e r s a tio n s
On th e
9
fir s t
one y o u w ere t a l k i n g
10
o r d e r in g
some d ru g s and y o u t o l d
11
t o do i t ;
who a re yo u r e f e r r i n g
to
a fe m a le who was
h e r he s a id h e 's n o t g o in g
to
th e r e ?
12
A
A g i r l named E la in e who I was t a l k i n g w i t h .
13
Q
I
see.
And when yo u t o l d
g o in g t o do i t ,
14
E la in e
t h a t he s a id h e 's n o t
who a re yo u r e f e r r i n g
15
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
16
Q
Who w o u ld d e c id e
if
th e r e
is
to
th e r e ?
g o in g t o be a s a le o f d ru g s o r
17
n o t when th e s e d ru g c u s to m e rs w o u ld c a l l i n
18
o rd e r?
and p la c e an
19
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
20
Q
And she a ls o c o m p la in e d a b o u t s t e p p in g on i t ;
w h a t she was t a l k i n g
21
22
A
Y e s,
I
g u ess s o .
23
hand and go t o
24
w ith
25
Q
When i t
le a v e s —
do y o u know
a b o u t th e r e ?
W hat she was s a y in g was when i t
som ebody e l s e 's
it.
th e re .
le a v e h i s
hand th e y p r o b a b ly m e s s in g

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641
1
A
M r. E d w a rd s ' h a n d s .
2
Q
And w h a t do you mean by g o in g t o
3
A
W hoever he was — w h o e ve r — w ho e ve r e ls e hands he w o u ld
4
put i t
in to
to
s e ll.
somebody e l s e 's
hands?
.
5
Q
And who w ere some o f th e s e p e o p le ?
6
A
L ittle
7
Q
A n yb o d y e ls e ?
8
A
They sa y F la k e s t o o .
9
Q
So L i t t l e
10
A
They w o u ld come b y and see h im and I gu ess g e t p a c k a g e s
11
12
James t h a t we was s p e a k in g a b o u t.
13
s e ll.
And w o u ld yo u see L i t t l e
James and F la k e s come t o
Lee t o
g e t th e s e pa cka g e s?
14
A
I have seen them th e r e b e f o r e .
15
Q
In
16
t h a t case yo u gave o u t a phone nu m b e r; whose phone
num ber was t h a t ?
17
A
T h a t was L i t t l e
18
Q
And was i t
Jam es' phone n u m be r.
— was i t
a p r a c tic e
19
when Lee d i d n ' t w a n t t o
20
L ittle
if
you so m e tim e s engaged i n
s e l l d ru g s t o
send th e p e o p le t o
James and F la k e s ?
21
A
Y es,
22
Q
If
23
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
24
Q
I
25
to o .
James and F la k e s ; w h a t w ere th e y d o in g ?
fro m h im t o
Q
F la k e s name was down th e r e
he s a id s o .
who s a id so?
see.
And th e n i n
th e n e x t c o n v e r s a t io n ,
t h a t p e rs o n t o L i t t l e
James as w e l l ,
is
a g a in y d u s e n t
th a t r ig h t?

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1
A
Y e s,
s ir .
2
MR. BELLA;Why d o n 't
3
MR. MAY: E x h i b i t Number 4 9
4
we go
o n to th e n e x t one th e n .
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 4 9 , an a u d io ta p e
r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . )
5
6
7
MR. BELLA:
Q
8
M r. G u y to n , th e r e was a r e fe r e n c e
to
F o o ts t h e r e ; w h a t i s
th a t?
9
A
T h a t 's my
n ic k n a m e .
10
Q
So yo u so m e tim e s
11
A
Y e s,
12
Q
13
A
He had $ 5 0 .
14
Q
And
go b y th e n ic k n a m e F o o ts ?
s ir .
T h a t i n d i v i d u a l s a id he had 5 0 ; w h a t d id
t h a t mean t o you ?
he s a id w h a te v e r y o u can do on th e w h it e , when
15
a ske d h im w h a t he w a n te d , he s a id w h a te v e r y o u can
16
th e w h i t e ; w h a t does t h a t mean?
17
A
18
Q
19
T h a t mean th e w h it e
A
21
Q
do on
h e r o in .
And y o u a ls o made a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet a t a S h e ll S t a t i o n
b e l ie v e , i s
20
you
Y e s,
I
th a t r ig h t?
s ir .
W ould — when y o u w o u ld make a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet
22
som ew here, w o u ld y o u a lw a y s ta k e
23
so m e tim e s som ebody e ls e
24
A
N o, n o t a l l
25
Q
And
th e tim e
ta k e
th e p a cka g e o u t o r w o u ld
th e pa cka g e —
I w o u ld n 't .
w o u ld yo u s o m e tim e s make a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet
som ewhere

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and someone e ls e
1
ta k e a package o u t?
2
A
Y e s,
3
Q
Who w o u ld d e c id e who w o u ld ta k e th e p a ckage o u t?
4
A
N r . E d w a rd s.
5
Q
T h e re was some t a l k
.A
th e b a c k g ro u n d a b o u t a d im e ; w h a t i s
Oh, a dim e i s
$10.
$10 w o r th o f w h a te v e r , y o u know , b o y o r
g ir l.
8
9
in
t h a t , w h a t does dim e mean t o you?
6
7
s ir .
Q
A ll
r ig h t.
10
Why d o n 't we go on t o
11
MR. MAY:
th e n e x t o n e .
E x h i b i t 50.
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 5 0 , an a u d io ta p e
r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . )
12
13
MR. BELLA:
14
15
Q
M r. G u y to n ,
t h a t c u s to m e r who was c a l l i n g ;
do y o u r e c a l l
who t h a t was?
16
17
A
Y e s, M ik e S u tto n .
18
Q
He c a l l e d yo u and o r d e r e d a 2 0 , and w h a t do es t h a t mean t o
you?
19
20
A
He w a n te d a 20 o f w h it e h e r o in .
21
Q
And a 20 o f w h it e h e r o in ,
22
A
Y e s,
23
Q
$20 bag?
24
A
Y e s,
25
Q
And yo u s a id he a i n ' t up y e t ; who a re y o u r e f e r r i n g
is
t h a t $20 w o rth ?
20 —
s ir .
to ?

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1
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
2
Q
Now, when M r. E dw ards — when yo u s a id n o t u p , y o u mean he
was s t i l l
3
in
bed?
4
A
Y e s,
s ir .
5
Q
When M r. Edw ards was s t i l l
d ru g s w h ile
6
he was i n
i n b e d , c o u ld yo u d i s t r i b u t e
bed?
7
A
N o,
8
Q
And th e n y o u a ls o — M ike S u tto n who was c a l l i n g
in ,
th a t i t
and y o u
9
11
A
w ill
ta k e h im a w h ile
t o g e t some re a d y ,
W hat d id
T h a t mean he p r o b a b ly has some made u p ,
Q
t h a t mean?
some h e r o in made
And w h a t he w o u ld make u p , when Lee E dw ards w o u ld make up
th e h e r o in , w h a t w o u ld he have t o do t o make i t
14
15
A
Take i t
16
Q
And a f t e r
17
A
Knock i t
and p u t i n
it
up?
th e b le n d e r and m ix i t .
was m ix e d , w h a t w o u ld he do?
o u t th e b le n d e r and p u t i n
w h a te v e r he had i n
18
on a s a u c e r o r p l a t e ,
f r o n t o f h im t h a t he w o u ld p u t i t
19
Q
And th e n fro m t h e r e , w h a t w o u ld he do w i t h
20
A
G rab some p a p e r and bag i t
21
Q
And t h i s
22
A
W h ite p a p e r ,
23
Q
Was th e p a p e r i n
on.
it?
up.
p a p e r , w h a t k in d o f p a p e r w o u ld be used?
a lu m in u m f o i l .
any p a r t ic u la r
s i z e , was i t
a lr e a d y c u t i n
a n y way?
24
25
s a id
up.
12
13
s ir .
s a id n o , h e 's g o t some re a d y now.
10
th e
A
Y es.
It
a l l depends w h a t s iz e pa cka g e t h a t th e y w a n te d ,
on

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th e
1
2
Q
I
s iz e o f th e p a p e r.
see.
And t h i s
3
p u t in
4
w o u ld happen?
— a fte r
th is
was m ix e d i n
th e p a p e r , be pa cka g e d i n
5
A
Y e s,
6
Q
So yo u t o l d
th e p a p e r ,
th e b le n d e r and
is
th a t w hat
s ir .
M r. S u tto n t h a t Lee Edw ards a lr e a d y had some
made up?
7
8
A
Y e s,
s ir .
9
Q
Even th o u g h he had some made u p ,
c o u ld y o u d i s t r i b u t e
10
if
he was s t i l l
in
bed,
some?
11
A
N o, s i r .
12
Q
And why was t h a t ?
13
A
B ecause he w o u ld have t o make th e pa cka g e t o p u t i n my hand
14
o r w h o e ve r hand t h a t he w o u ld p u t i n
15
p e rs o n t h a t o r d e r e d i t .
16
Q
18
A
N o, s i r .
19
Q
Then I
t h i n k y o u s a id h e 's
yo u w e re r e f e r r i n g
20
ta k e
W ould M r. E dw ards a llo w y o u t o d i s t r i b u t e
y o u r s e l f w i t h o u t h im b e in g th e r e
17
to
it
t o m eet th e
th e p a c k a g e s
to d ir e c t?
co m in g o u t o f th e
room now and
t o who?
21
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
22
Q
And co m in g o u t o f w h a t room?
23
A
H is b e d ro o m .
24
0
And th e n yo u made th e a rra n g e m e n t w i t h M ik e S u tto n t o
25
and g e t th e d r u g s ,
is
th a t r ig h t?
come

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1
A
Y e s,
s ir .
2
Q
A t th e v e r y end o f t h a t c o n v e r s a tio n y o u s a id t h a t F la k e s
3
is
4
th a t?
5
A
c o m in g ,
7
Q
I 'm
8
A
I
9
th e d o o r b e l l .
s o rry ?
s a y th e y was e i t h e r com in g th r o u g h th e d o o r o r e i t h e r
r in g in g
th e d o o r b e l l ,
th e y was a t th e d o o r f o r them t o
come i n .
10
Q
12
13
g e t o u t o f h e r e ; w h a t d id y o u mean b y
T h a t mean th e y was com in g th r o u g h th e d o o r o r e i t h e r th e y
was r i n g i n g
6
11
I g o t to
F la k e s .
And w h a t made you s a y I g o t t o
b e ca u se F la k e s i s
A
g e t o u t o f h e re
h e re ?
W e ll, when F la k e s o r them come a ro u n d , y o u know ,
it
ta k e s
14
them a l i t t l e
t im e .
15
e i t h e r t a k in g
c a re o f t h e i r b u s in e s s and when he come
16
a r o u n d , yo u know , he d o n 't — y o u know , he d o n 't ha ve tim e
17
to
18
know .
19
F la k e s .
20
fro n t.
21
Q
s it
They be t h e r e
a ro u n d and t a l k
He have t o
s ittin g
down d is c u s s in g
t o us o r do a n y th in g w i t h u s , y o u
s i t down and ta k e c a re o f b u s in e s s w i t h
They e i t h e r go i n
th e b a ck o r e i t h e r up i n
And when F la k e s w o u ld come and t o do b u s in e s s w i t h
th e
Lee,
w o u ld t h a t ta k e a w h ile ?
22
23
A
Y e s,
24
Q
T h a t 's why you w a n te d t o g e t o u t o f th e r e b e fo r e he g o t
25
s ir .
s ta r te d w ith
F la k e s ?

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A
647
Y e s, s i r .
2
MR. BELLA:
3
MR. MAY:
4
t r a n s m is s io n s on i t
5
end o f y o u r t r a n s c r i p t .
6
T h is i s
Why d o n 't we go —
F o lk s ,
th is
w i l l have th r e e
a ls o c o n s e c u t iv e ly r i g h t
We w o n 't s to p
E x h i b i t 51 , a l l
7
s tr a ig h t
th r o u g h th e
a f t e r ea ch
one.
th r e e .
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 5 1 , an a u d io ta p e
r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . )
8
9
MR. BELLA:
10
Q
11
12
O kay.
to
.
Those l a s t tw o c o n v e r s a t io n s ,
th e t r a n s c r i p t s
A
Y es, H a rv e tte .
15
Q
Now, i n
16
17
A
Q
O kay.
A
22
Q
23
And when yo u
th e n ?
c o n v e r s a tio n you s a id he h o o k in g
it
up
to ?
p a c k a g e s t h a t she w a n te d ,
th e 16 b o y —
say
he h o o k in g i t
now,
a g a in who a re
to ?
M r. E d w a rd s.
Now, yo u a ls o
th e d o c t o r 's
A
in
And do
th e 16 b o y .
you r e f e r r in g
21
25
fir s t
He was m a k in g th e
b o y ,
20
24
th e
now ; w h a t a re y o u r e f e r r i n g
18
19
a b o u t f o u r m in u te s l a t e r .
y o u know who t h a t was c a l l i n g
14
a c c o r d in g
w ere on O c to b e r 4 , 1 9 9 0 , a t 6 :4 9 p . m . ,
and th e n a t 7 :0 3 p . m . ,
13
M r. G u y to n ,
Y es,
me t o
to ld
a b o u t m e e tin g b y
o ff ic e ?
I b e lie v e
te ll
h e r t h a t — yo u t a lk e d
t h a t 's
w here I
h e r t o be t h e r e .
to ld
h e r t o m eet a t .
He t o l d

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1
Q
2
YOU t a lk e d a b o u t t h a t a t f i r s t ,
s o m e th in g a b o u t th e
d o c t o r 's
.
o f f ic e ?
3
A
Y e s.
4
Q
W here i s
5
A
We m u st have been on 4 th and T a f t t o m eet b y th e d o c t o r 's
th is
d o c t o r 's
o ff ic e ?
o ff ic e .
6
7
Q
W here i s
th is
8
A
Oh, a c r o s s th e s t r e e t .
9
Q
A c ro s s th e s t r e e t fro m 460 T a f t P la c e ?
10
A
Y e s.
11
Q
And th e n I t h i n k y o u f i n a l l y
S ta tio n ,
12
13
A
Y e s.
14
Q
T h e re i s
A
I
in
r e la t io n
to —
a g re e d t o m eet b y th e Amoco
th a t r ig h t?
someone i n
th e b a c k g ro u n d s a y in g t e l l
c a n 't r e c a l l who —
e ls e
17
18
o f f ic e
h e r t o m eet
a t th e Amoco S t a t i o n ; who was t h a t ?
15
16
is
d o c t o r 's
Q
in
it
had t o be M r. E dw ards o r someone
th e b a c k g ro u n d t h a t t o l d
me t o m eet them t h e r e .
W ould M r. E dw ards so m e tim e s t e l l y o u w he re t o m eet th e
p e o p le ?
19
20
A
Y e s,
s ir .
21
Q
And i n
some o f th e s e c o n v e r s a tio n s y o u 'v e been m e e tin g a t
22
th e S h e ll S t a t i o n ,
you. t a l k
a b o u t th e d o c t o r 's
23
a n yw a y, a g re e t o m eet a t t h i s Amoco S t a t i o n ,
24
c o n v e r s a t io n i n
th e a l l e y b e h in d th e
25
Why m eet a t a l l
th e s e d i f f e r e n t l o c a t i o n s
o f f ic e
in
r e s id e n c e
one
I
th in k .
in s t e a d o f h a v in g

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p e o p le come s t r a i g h t t o
1
th e house?
2
A
B ecause he d i d n ' t w a n t f o l k s
3
Q
Who d i d n ' t w a n t f o l k s
4
A
M r. Edw ards d i d n ' t w a n t p e o p le com in g t o
5
Q
So he p r e f e r r e d
6
A
Y e s,
7
Q
And t h e r e
A
C o c a in e .
10
Q
And boy?
11
A
H e r o in .
12
Q
Were t h e r e
to
th e h o u s e .
t h a t yo u m eet th e p e o p le o t h e r p la c e s ?
s ir .
9
13
th e h o u s e .
com ing?
is
ta lk
th e r e
a b o u t n o t h a v in g g i r l b u t f o r them
o r d e r in g b o y ; w h a t does g i r l
8
com in g t o
r e f e r to ?
some p e o p le t h a t M r. E dw ards w o u ld a llo w
to
come
th e house?
14
A
Y es,
s ir .
15
Q
Now, M r. G u y to n ,
f o r d o in g th e s e t h in g s
fo r Lee,
fo r
16
a n s w e rin g th e te le p h o n e t a k in g
17
p e o p le w he re t o m eet t o p ic k up th e d r u g s , w h a t w o u ld y o u
18
g e t?
19
A
If
th e s e d ru g s o r d e r s ,
te llin g
I d e c id e t o b u y s o m e th in g o r f o r th e w o rk t h a t I was
20
d o in g ,
he w o u ld g iv e me a l i t t l e
21
pay f o r .
b i t more th a n w h a t I w o u ld
22
Q
So y o u w e re u s in g d ru g s y o u r s e l f a t th e
23
A
Y e s,
24
Q
And w h e re w o u ld y o u b u y y o u r d ru g s fro m ?
25
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
s ir .
tim e ?

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1
Q
2
3
And i f
yo u d id w o rk l i k e
th is
f o r h im , when y o u 'd b u y
d r u g s , w h a t w o u ld happen?
A
He w o u ld g iv e me more i n
.
th e b a g .
4
th a n w h a t I w o u ld p u rc h a s e .
5
me a l i t t l e
6
th a n a 2 0 .
7
Q
8
A
9
Q
10
A
12
Q
13
I 'd
b u y a d im e , h e 'd g iv e
more th a n a dim e o r a 2 0 , g iv e me a l i t t l e
So t h a t was h i s m ethod o f p a y in g yo u f o r d o in g t h i s
Y e s,
Now, yo u s a id t h a t yo u o r i g i n a l l y
Y es,
m ore
w o rk ?
s ir .
some w o rk a t t h i s
11
If
The bag w o u ld be b ig g e r
m et M r. E dw ards b y d o in g
p la c e w he re he l iv e d ?
s ir .
D id y o u become aw are o f an y o t h e r p r o p e r t i e s
th a t in
your
o p in io n M r. E dw ards owned o r c o n t r o lle d ?
14
A
Y e s, he had a c o u p le o f o t h e r b u i l d i n g s
15
Q
D id he have y o u do any w o rk a t th e s e o t h e r p r o p e r t ie s ?
16
A
Y e s,
17
Q
18
and h o u s e s .
s ir .
Can y o u t e l l us w h a t p r o p e r t i e s he w o u ld send y o u t o
do t h i s
w o rk ?
19
A
th and T a f t b y th e h o s p i t a l ,
20
Q
W hat k in d o f b u i l d i n g was t h i s ?
21
A
A p a rtm e n t b u i l d i n g .
22
Q
And w h a t s t r e e t was t h i s
23
A
24
Q
By th e h o s p i t a l ?
25
A
Y es,
G r a n t, G ra n t S t r e e t .
s ir .
do —
th e b ig b u i l d i n g
th e re .
on?
G ra n t S t r e e t ,
th and G ra n t S t r e e t .

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Q
And i t
was an a p a rtm e n t b u ild in g ?
2
A
Y e s, s i r .
3
Q
W hat o t h e r p r o p e r t y w o u ld he send y o u t o do t h i s
4
A
1 5 th i f
5
Q
W hat k in d o f p la c e was t h a t ?
6
A
T h a t was a h o u s e .
7
Q
And who w o u ld s t a y th e r e ?
8
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
9
Q
O kay.
10
A
The l i q u o r s t o r e
12
Q
W here was th e l i q u o r
13
A
On V i r g i n i a
14
Q
A nyw here e ls e ?
15
A
Y e s, o u t th e r e
w o rk a t?
s o m e th in g b ro k e down on 1 5 th and T a f t .
W here e ls e ?
if
th e c o o le r o r s o m e th in g b ro k e down o r
11
s to r e ?
S tre e t.
on — o h , he had a house on V i r g i n i a
a b o u t 7 th o r 8 th and s o m e th in g .
S tre e t
16
to o ,
I w e n t and d id w o rk
17
on t h a t fu r n a c e a c o u p le o f tim e s and th e h o t w a te r t a n k .
18
Q
And d i d he have any o t h e r p r o p e r ty ?
19
A
Y e s, down 4 9 th som ew here.
K e n tu c k y o r s o m e th in g o f f o f
20
G e o rg ia S t r e e t ,
I d o n 't know th e e x a c t s t r e e t
21
but it 's
I d o n 't —
e a s t K e n tu c k y ,
e a s t o f G e o rg ia .
22
Q
4 9 th and K e n tu c k y o r G e o rg ia ?
23
A
Y e s.
I d o n 't know th e e x a c t —
24
s tre e t b u t i t ' s
e a s t o f G e o r g ia ,
25
o r O h io o r s o m e th in g l i k e
th a t.
I
c a n ' t r e c a l l th e e x a c t
so i t
had t o
be K e n tu c k y

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Q
And w h a t k in d o f p r o p e r t y was t h a t ?
2
A
A d u p le x h o u s e .
3
Q
And M r. E dw ards w o u ld send yo u t o do w o rk a t a l l
4
lo c a tio n s ,
th e a p a rtm e n t b u i l d i n g
5
liq u o r
6
a t 4 9 th and K e n tu c k y o r th e r e a b o u ts ,
7
and V i r g i n i a ?
s to re ,
8
A
Y e s,
9
Q
Thank y o u ,
460 T a f t P la c e ,
s ir .
11
and yo u t o l d
12
F la k e s d o in g f o r M r. E dw ards?
I
F la k e s i s
us i t ' s
c o m in g ,
g o in g t o
b e lie v e he was s e l l i n g
14
and th e y w o u ld go i n
15
it
16
F la k e s w o u ld do t o g e t h e r .
17
Q
1522 T a f t S t r e e t ,
You m e n tio n e d i n
c o n v e r s a t io n .
A
a t 7 th and G r a n t,
and t h i s
th e
th e d u p le x
house a t 7 th
s ir .
10
13
th e s e
I
one o f th o s e
g o t to
ta k e some t im e .
f o r M r. E d w a rd s .
W hat was
He w o u ld come b y
th e b a ck o r e i t h e r up f r o n t ,
was v e r y se ld o m we g o t a chance t o
And yo u a ls o
g e t o u t o f h e re
t a lk e d a b o u t L i t t l e
y o u know ,
see w h a t h im and
James and a t one p o i n t
eve n gave h i s phone num ber o u t?
18
19
A
Y es.
20
Q
Or a c o u p le o f tim e s I
th in k
you gave h i s
phone num ber o u t ,
on th e s e phone c o n v e r s a tio n s anyway?
21
22
A
Y e s,
s ir .
23
Q
That L it t le
James whose phone num ber yo u gave o u t t o d r u g
24
c u s to m e rs and d i r e c t e d
25
do y o u see L i t t l e
them t o
James i n
L ittle
James o r t o
th e c o u rtro o m to d a y ?
F la k e s ?

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A
Y eah, h e 's
2
Q
C o u ld y o u p o i n t o u t w here h e 's
3
4
s ittin g
r ig h t o ve r th e re .
A
R ig h t t h e r e w i t h
MR. BELLA:
6
th e brow n s u i t o n ,
and d e s c r ib e w h a t
MR. TRUITT:
8
THE COURT:
9
MR. BELLA:
Q
And
I know L i t t l e
Y our H o n o r, w o u ld th e
th e w itn e s s has i d e n t i f i e d
7
re c o rd
Jam es.
r e fle c t th a t
th e d e fe n d a n t James D a v is .
No o b j e c t i o n .
So in d ic a t e d .
Lee E dw ards who y o u t a lk e d t o when th e d ru g c u s to m e r
11
w o u ld c a l l i n
12
c o u ld g e t them re a d y
13
c u s to m e rs t o L i t t l e
14
E dw ards i n
to
see
i f you c o u ld d e l i v e r th e d ru g s
o r who w o u ld d i r e c t y o u t o
or
you
sen d th e
James and F la k e s ; do yo u see Lee
th e c o u rtro o m to d a y ?
15
A
Y e s, h e 's
16
Q
And
17
A
Oh,a s w e a te r and a s h i r t .
18
s ittin g
h e 's w e a rin g ?
5
10
653
s ittin g
r ig h t
b e h in d L i t t l e
Jam es.
w h a t 's he w e a rin g ?
MR. BELLA:
He
Y our H o n o r,
d o n 't have on a s u i t .
I w o u ld ask t h a t th e
19
r e f l e c t t h a t th e w itn e s s has i d e n t i f i e d
20
A ndrew E d w a rd s.
21
MR. JACKSON:
22
THE COURT:
23
MR. BELLA:
24
THE COURT:
C ro s s D a v is .
25
MR. TR U ITT:
Thank y o u . Y o u r H o n o r.
th e d e fe n d a n t Lee
No o b j e c t i o n .
So in d ic a t e d .
Thank y o u ,
s ir .
re c o rd
You may a s k .

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CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. TRUITT:
2
3
Q
M r. G u y to n ,
I n o t ic e d when you w ere a n s w e rin g c e r t a i n
4
M r. B e l l a 's
q u e s tio n s l i k e
5
w h a t w o u ld L i t t l e
6
guess,
7
b e l ie v e .
of
w h a t w o u ld F la k e s M c K e llu m do o r
James d o , yo u w o u ld p r e fe r e n c e
it
by I
I guess he had g iv e n them some p a c k a g e s , o r I
Now i n
a l l h o n e s ty you d o n 't know , do you?
8
A
Y e s, t o
some e x t e n t .
9
Q
Now, i n
a l l h o n e s ty you d o n 't know , do you?
10
A
No.
1
1
Q
M r. E dw ards n e v e r d is c u s s e d h i s b u s in e s s d e a lin g s w i t h y o u ,
12
A
N o, n o t on t h a t b e h a l f .
14
Q
So y o u 'r e
15
A
Y e s.
g u e s s in g ?
16
MR. TRUITT:
17
THE COURT;
18
MR. McGr a t h :
19
THE COURT:
20
MR. JACKSON:
Thank y o u .
C ro s s D u r r .
N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r.
C ro s s E d w a rd s.
21
Thank y o u . Y o u r H o n o r.
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. JACKSON:
22
Q
24
25
s ir .
d id he?
13
23
Y es,
M r. G u y to n , w o u ld y o u e v e r r e c e iv e an y p e r s o n a l phone c a l l s
a t t h a t r e s id e n c e ?
A
Y e s, n o t p e r s o n a l t h a t I
can r e c a l l .

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1
Q
W ould somebody c a l l th e r e and s p e c i f i c a l l y
2
A
Y e s, th e y have i f
3
Q
W hat ty p e o f b u s in e s s do you o p e r a te o r d id y o u o p e r a t e ,
4
th e y see my c a r o u ts id e
o r s o m e th in g .
M r. G uyton?
5
A
I do s e r v ic e w o rk ,
6
Q
O kay.
7
A
No.
8
Q
Do yo u make any p r o f i t s
9
A
N o, n o t r e a l l y .
10
11
a s k f o r you?
to
Q
12
Does t h i s
r e p a i r a p p lia n c e s .
b u s in e s s have a name?
J u s t , yo u know , my name i t s e l f ,
s u r v iv e ,
D id yo u f i l e
fro m t h i s
You know ,
t h a t 's
b u s in e s s ?
I do odd and end j o b s , y o u know ,
a ll.
any t a x
g a in e d fro m t h i s
y o u know .
r e tu rn s w ith
re s p e c t to
b u s in e s s ?
13
A
N o, I d i d n ' t .
14
Q
You t e s t i f i e d t h a t
you w ere d o in g some w o rk o v e r a t t h i s
15
r e s id e n c e and y o u had s o r t o f been s t a y in g
16
w h a t happened?
17
A
Had been s t a y in g th e r e ?
18
Q
Yes?
19
A
N o, I d i d n ' t —
20
Q
O kay.
21
22
25
I d id n 't liv e
B u t yo u w e re o u t t h e r e
a t th is
th e re ,
is
th a t
house, no.
so m e tim e s b e fo r e a n y b o d y was
awake?
A
23
24
th e money
N o.
Someone had t o be awake t o
key to
Q
l e t me i n ;
I d i d n ' t have a
g e t in .
Y o u 'd be th e r e b e fo r e Lee w o u ld be aw ake, th o u g h , w o u ld n 't
you?

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1
A
He w o u ld be up f o r — yo u know , someone w o u ld have t o
le t
2
h im know t h a t I was a t th e d o o r and he sa y o k a y f o r me t o
3
come i n
4
Q
if
I b e lie v e
he had c a l l e d me.
in
one o f th e t r a n s c r i p t s y o u s a id he was s t i l l
a s le e p ?
5
6
A
Y e s, p o s s i b i l i t y .
7
Q
So yo u w o u ld have been th e r e b e fo r e he was awake?
8
A
I w o u ld n 't sa y t h a t e x a c t l y .
9
Q
W h ich one i s
it?
10
THE COURT;
11
THE WITNESS:
12
A
C o u n s e l.
Someone had t o be u p .
Someone had t o be up t o
13
th e d o o r , e i t h e r h im , h i s w i f e ,
14
had t o m e n tio n i t
15
Q
son o r som eone.
t o h im o r h i s w if e
to
A
l e t me i n .
So yo u c o u ld have been th e r e and i n
A p o s s ib ility ,
b e fo r e
18
f a c t y o u w e re
bu t I doubt i t
I do g e t i n
v e ry s e r io u s ly .
th e d o o r th e y d e f i n i t e l y
M o st l i k e l y
l e t h im know .
19
Q
Now, w e re you h i r e d b y M r. E dw ards o r h i s w i f e
20
A
By M r. E d w a rd s.
21
Q
You w e re h ir e d ?
22
A
Y es.
23
Q
W hat ty p e o f p ro c e s s was u n d e r ta k e n t o h i r e
24
A
W e ll,
25
And th e y
t h e r e b e fo r e Lee was aw ake, c o r r e c t ?
16
17
O kay.
l e t me i n t o
lik e
when I
f i r s t m et h im ,
fu r n a c e and a c e n t r a l a i r
lik e
c o n d itio n in g
I
you?
say,
in
o r a n yb o d y?
h is
I put a
ho use and

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2
Q
3
4
A
t h a t 's
when he h ir e d me t o do t h a t .
O kay.
W ith r e s p e c t t o
th e s e a lle g e d d ru g t r a n s a c t io n s ,
w e re y o u h ir e d t o
ru n f o r M r. Edwards?
N o, when — a f t e r
I d id m eet h im , he w o u ld ask me t o
a n sw er
5
th e phone on v a r io u s o c c a s io n s i f
6
somewhere t o do some w o rk f o r h im , and I w o u ld a n sw e r th e
7
phone.
And when I d id
8
w o u ld —
9
fin d
he c a l l e d me o v e r t o
o u t t h a t — w h a t was g o in g o n ,
I was s u r p r is e d ,
but I
go
I
l e t h im know t h a t — w h a t
10
th e p e rs o n had s a id on th e phone b e fo r e
11
was g o in g o n .
I was aw are o f w h a t
So t h e r e was n e v e r an a p p l i c a t i o n
o r an i n t e r v i e w w i t h M r.
13
E dw ards f o r b e in g a f f i l i a t e d
an a lle g e d d ru g
14
o r g a n i z a t i o n , was th e r e ?
12
Q
15
A
No.
16
Q
So t h e r e was no in t e r v ie w ?
17
A
N o.
fo u n d o u t he was d o in g i t ,
he was d o in g i t ,
18
19
When I
Q
it
y o u know .
th is
a lle g e d d ru g o r g a n iz a t io n ?
21
A
N o, I n e v e r made no money o f f th e d r u g s .
22
Q
And i n
e xch ang e f o r a n s w e rin g th e p h o n e , y o u t e s t i f i e d
y o u r e c e iv e d a l i t t l e
23
s u r p r i s i n g me and
W ould y o u c o n s id e r y o u r s e l f an em ployee o f M r. E dw ards w i t h
re s p e c t to
20
w ith
more n a r c o t ic s ?
24
A
Y e s.
25
Q
How lo n g have y o u been u s in g d ru g s ?
th a t

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A
B ack th e n when I m et h im ba ck i n —
w hen; i t
2
had been f i v e
I
r e c a ll e x a c tly
o r s i x y e a rs a g o .
3
Q
T h a t 's when you f i r s t
4
A
Y e s.
5
Q
Have y o u e v e r been t o
6
A
Y es.
7
Q
How many tim e s have yo u been t o
8
A
O n ce .
9
Q
When was t h i s ?
10
A
B ack i n
11
Q
O f w h ic h y e a r?
12
A
'9 2 .
13
Q
W hat ty p e s o f d ru g s w ere yo u u s in g ?
14
A
H e r o in .
15
Q
How f r e q u e n t l y d id yo u use i t ?
16
A
On a d a i l y b a s is .
17
Q
How much w ere y o u u s in g i t
18
A
2 0 , $30 w o r t h .
19
Q
D id t h a t a f f e c t y o u r s t a t e
20
A
N o, s i r .
21
Q
You d i d n ' t have a n y p ro b le m s t h i n k i n g
s ta rte d ?
re h a b ?
re hab ?
O c to b e r .
u s in g th e s e n a r c o t ic s ?
22
can ' t
23
A
N o, s i r .
24
Q
How lo n g w ere y o u i n
25
A
The f u l l
te r m ,
re h a b ?
d a y s .
on y o u r a v e ra g e day?
o f m ind?
o r c o n c e n t r a t in g when

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1
Q
da ys?
2
A
Y e s, s i r .
3
Q
Now, d id M r. E dw ards g iv e you an y d i r e c t i o n
4
as t o how t o
h a n d le th e s e d ru g t r a n s a c t io n s ?
5
A
I d o n 't f o l l o w
6
Q
O kay.
w h a t y o u 'r e
When t a l k i n g
s a y in g when y o u s a y —
on th e p h o n e , d id yo u have a n y
7
d is c r e tio n
8
somebody?
9
N o, he w o u ld t e l l me, yo u know , w h a t t o
a t a l l as t o w hen, w he re and — yo u w o u ld m eet
10
he w o u ld t e l l me w h a t t o
1
1
p a cka g e t o
12
o u t , y o u know , he w o u ld d i r e c t th e m , th e
13
tim e .
te ll
th e m .
te ll
And i f
ta k e o u t o r th e o t h e r p e rs o n t o
14
Q
D id y o u have a n y d i s c r e t i o n
15
A
No.
16
Q
O kay.
Then why i s
it
th e p e o p le o r
he gave me th e
ta k e th e p a c k a g e
lo c a tio n ,
th e
a t a ll?
t h a t so m e tim e s yo u w o u ld a n sw e r c a l l
17
w a itin g
18
B ecause he w o u ld — you know , he was th e g u y t h a t
19
d is t r ib u t e d .
20
phone i f
21
p a r tic u la r day,
22
o r d e r , y o u know .
23
l e t h im know .
and o t h e r tim e s yo u w o u ld n 't ?
You know , he w o u ld t e l l me t o
I was s i t t i n g
by th e phone o r i f
a n sw e r th e
I was t h e r e
th a t
I w o u ld an sw er th e phone and ta k e th e
They w o u ld s a y w h a t th e y w a n t,
24
Q
You know w h a t c a l l w a i t i n g
25
A
Y e s.
is ,
d o n 't you?
I w o u ld

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1
Q
T h a t 's
2
A
U h -h u h .
3
Q
O kay.
4
5
th a t l i t t l e
Why i s
it
b e e p in g n o is e y o u 'r e
som etim e s you w o u ld an sw er i t
and
so m e tim e s you w o u ld n 't ?
A
6
E v e ry tim e th e phone r i n g
if
I w o u ld an sw er th e p h o n e .
a lr e a d y on th e phone?
Q
N o, y o u 'r e
8
A
O kay.
9
Q
You j u s t h e a rd th e s e ta p e s ?
10
A
U h -h u h .
11
Q
O kay.
12
I was th e r e and he t o l d
a n sw e r i t ,
7
S om etim es th e beep w o u ld come on i n d i c a t i n g
c a l l co m in g in ?
A
U h -h u h .
14
Q
S om etim es w o u ld yo u an sw er i t ,
15
A
W e ll,
a n o th e r
so m e tim e s y o u w o u ld n 't ?
I w o u ld n 't know who th e o t h e r p a r t y w o u ld be i f
16
d i d n ' t a n sw er th e p h o n e .
17
ju s t lik e
If
18
me t o
.
13
A ny tim e
yo u h e a rd on th e ta p e s ,
I h e a rd a beep i n
I w o u ld a n sw e r i t .
th e phone I w o u ld n 't know who was
c a llin g ,
I w o u ld an sw er th e p h o n e .
20
was an e m erg ency o r somebody was s ic k
21
k id s was c a l l i n g
o r w h a t,
Q
So y o u d id have some d i s c r e t i o n ?
23
A
Y es.
I
suppose.
I w o u ld n 't know i f
or i l l
it
o r one o f h i s
I w o u ld an sw er th e p h o n e .
22
W e ll,
I
I h e a rd th e phone b e e p ,
19
He —
if
t h a t 's
w hat you c a l l —
y o u know .
24
25
h e a r in g ?
Q
So yo u e x e r c is e d a l i t t l e
b i t o f fre e w i l l
th e re ,
d id n 't

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you?
A
3
4
661
CROSS EDWARDS
N ot r e a lly ;
I w o u ld n 't sa y t h a t .
w o u ld n 't — n o ,
Q
Now, w i t h
I
T h a t 's n o t my h o u s e .
c o u l d n 't do as I p le a s e i n
re s p e c t to
th e re .
th e s e v a r io u s p la c e s t h a t y o u t a l k e d
5
a b o u t, M r. Edw ards — d id M r. Edw ards e v e r i n d i c a t e
6
t h a t he owned th e s e
7
A
Y es, y e s .
8
Q
You —
9
A
He s a id th e s e p la c e s
10
11
on my so and s o ,
Q
D id th e r e
was h i s
come a p o i n t i n
12
hey,
13
th o r 8 th and V i r g i n i a
14
A
15
Q
16
A
18
Q
19
o r w o u ld y o u go t h e r e
th is
and w o rk
so I was —
tim e when M r. Edw ards w o u ld s a y ,
p la c e and s a y go t o
and f i x
th is ,
th is
ju s t f i x
h o use a t
s o m e th in g ?
Y e s.
W ould he s a y go t o my house on 7 th and 8 t h ,
V ir g in ia ,
17
to you
re s id e n c e s ?
so and s o , y o u know ,
can y o u go t o
I
f i x s o m e th in g ?
Y e s , he w o u ld
O kay.
th o r 8 t h and
Or i s
say i t
lik e th a t.
he s a y in g more a c c u r a t e l y ,
th and 8 th and V i r g i n i a
20
A
N o, he w o u ld sa y
21
Q
Same t h i n g
22
A
Y e s.
23
Q
and f i x
25
o v e r and f i x
it?
4 9 th and G e o rg ia ?
A ny cha nce t h a t th e s e p r o p e r t i e s
E dw ards b u t i n
a ho use a t
myh o u s e .
a t th e d u p le x a t
24
go t o
f a c t fr ie n d s
d i d n ' t b e lo n g t o M r.
o f h is
and h e 's h a v in g y o u go
s o m e th in g f o r a f r i e n d ?

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MR. BELLA:
O b je c t io n ,
2
THE COURT:
S u s ta in e d .
3
MR. JACKSON:
4
Q
w ith
6
who m et you t h e r e ,
th e one a t —
if
fo r
s p e c u la t io n .
r e s id e n c e s ,
le t 's
s ta rt
a t 5 th and G r a n t,
anybody?
A
The te n a n ts t h a t s ta y e d i n
8
Q
The t e n a n t s .
10
C a lls
th e a p a rtm e n t b u i l d i n g
7
9
Y our H o n o r.
When yo u a r r i v e d a t th e s e v a r io u s
5
662
th e b u i l d i n g .
D id you have any c o n v e r s a t io n w i t h
th e s e
te n a n ts ?
A
Y e s, th e y had t o
l e t me i n .
Down i n
th e b o i l e r
room t o do
11
th e w o rk , yo u know , w h a te v e r I had t o do a t th e b u i l d i n g
12
t h a t p a r t i c u l a r t im e .
13
do th e w o rk .
I n e v e r had k e y s , y o u know ,
14
Q
D id th e s e te n a n ts e v e r i n d ic a t e
15
A
Y e s, th e y knew who owned th e b u i l d i n g .
16
Q
Who i s
17
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
18
Q
The house a t 1 5 th and T a f t ; who l e t y o u i n
19
A
T h a t was M r. E d w a rd s ' house w he re he l i v e s ,
20
in .
He w o u ld have t o
21
Q
How a b o u t th e l i q u o r s t o r e
22
A
W hoever was w o r k in g a t th e tim e o r i f
on V i r g i n i a
th e r e ?
one o f th e
l e t me i n .
S tre e t?
he was t h e r e ,
he
w o u ld l e t me i n .
24
Q
And how a b o u t th e d u p le x on 4 9 th and G e o rg ia ?
25
A
The te n a n ts t h a t w ere s t a y in g
in
go t o
who owned th e b u i ld i n g ?
th a t?
h o u se s he l i v e s
23
to
th e ho use a t th e
t im e .
at

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Q
Have yo u e v e r been a r r e s t e d , M r. G uyton?
2
A
No.
3
Q
Y o u 'v e n e v e r been a r r e s te d ?
4
A
N o.
I —
ne ve r in
5
tr a ffic ,
a tr a ffic
tic k e t,
b u t never a rre s te d ,
ja il.
6
Q
Have y o u e v e r been a r r e s t e d
7
A
No.
8
Q
You e v e r been f o r g a m b lin g w it h o u t a p e r m it?
9
MR. BELLA:
Y o u r H o n o r,
10
THE COURT:
S u s ta in e d .
11
MR. JACKSON:
12
Q
Now, i n
q u ite
13
14
A
I
15
Q
O kay.
f o r tr e s p a s s in g ?
I 'll
o b je c t t o
th is .
exch ang e f o r y o u r t e s t im o n y to d a y , y o u 'r e
a b re a k ,
d o n 't know ; I
a r e n ' t you?
suppose.
Do y o u have a la w y e r o r d id y o u have a la w y e r f o r
th e c h a rg e when y o u p le a b a r g a in e d o u t o f t h i s
16
17
A
Y e s,
18
Q
O kay.
r e c e iv in g
c o u r t?
I do.
Has t h a t m a tte r been — have y o u gone th r o u g h
s e n te n c in g y e t?
19
20
A
N o, I h a v e n 't .
21
Q
B u t y o u 'v e e n te r e d a p le a a g re e m e n t, h a v e n 't you?
22
A
Y e s,
23
Q
W h ich c a l l s
24
A
C o rre c t.
25
Q
How much tim e w ere y o u lo o k in g a t w i t h o u t —
I have.
f o r a re d u c e d s e n te n c e f o r y o u r c o o p e r a tio n ?
on th e c h a rg e

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i t s e l f w it h o u t th e b e n e f i t o f a p le a a g re e m e n t?
2
A
W h a t'd th e y s a y ,
3
Q
O kay.
4
A
6
Q
7
A
O kay.
Now, w h a t a re you lo o k in g a t w i t h
I d o n 't —
I
th e b e n e f i t
o f th e
t h i n k , w h a t, e i g h t y e a rs o r n in e y e a r s o r
Q
O kay.
So y o u 'r e
c o o p e r a t io n ,
A
Y e s,
th a t.
I 'm
g e ttin g
n o t e x a c tly s u re .
a s i g n i f i c a n t r e d u c t io n
fo r your
a r e n ' t you?
s ir .
13
MR. JACKSON;
14
THE COURT;
15
MR. JACKSON;
16
THE COURT;
17
Y our H o n o r, may I have a m om ent, p le a s e ?
You may.
N o th in g f u r t h e r .
Y o u r H o n o r.
R e d ir e c t G o v e rn m e n t.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA;
18
19
you w ere c o o p e r a tin g ?
He spoke a b o u t i t .
s o m e th in g l i k e
11
12
And has y o u r la w y e r a d v is e d you so — w h a t th e
p le a a g re e m e n t?
9
10
c o n s p ir a c y 20 y e a rs o r s o m e th in g .
r e d u c t io n w o u ld be i f
5
8
664
Q
M r. G u y to n , when th e f i r s t
a t t o r n e y a ske d y o u a b o u t w h a t
20
F la k e s and L i t t l e James w ere d o in g , th e
21
yo u t h a t q u e s t io n as t o w h e th e r yo u
22
to
fir s t
tim e
he a s k e d
r e a l l y knew , y o u s a id
some e x te n t?
23
A
U h -h u h , y e s .
24
Q
W hat d i d yo u mean b y t h a t ?
25
A
When L i t t l e
James come b y ,
it
was s e ld o m I
saw h im
c o m in g

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b y M r. E d w a rd s ' h o u s e .
2
saw h im b y t h e r e .
3
But I
4
in
5
q u ite
6
Q
a p e r io d o f t im e .
And w o u ld th e r e
—
8
o t h e r p la c e s .
9
to
12
Q
13
14
c u s to m e rs w o u ld c a l l i n and m eet
W ould some r e g u la r d ru g c u s to m e rs a ls o come
th e h o u s e ,
I
t h i n k you t e s t i f i e d
t h e r e w e re some p e o p le
th e house?
Y e s.
And when th e y w o u ld come t o
th e — when th e y w o u ld come t o
A
If
he
w o u ld
Q
w a n te d t o s e l l them d r u g s , he w o u ld .
send them t o L i t t l e
Now, when th e s e
18
w o u ld w i t h F la k e s
19
them?
A
Y e s.
21
Q
W hat w o u ld
22
A
M ig h t
n o t,
he
r e g u la r d ru g c u s to m e rs w o u ld come b y th e
h o u s e , w o u ld Lee E dw ards ta k e
20
If
James o r F la k e s .
17
23
them
th e house j u s t t o b u y d r u g s , w h a t w o u ld happen th e n ?
15
16
th e r e had been a s e r ie s o f c o n v e r s a tio n s
t h a t w o u ld come t o
A
th e y w o u ld e i t h e r go
th e b a ck and be d is c u s s in g w h a te v e r th e y had t o do f o r
w here r e g u la r d ru g
11
F la k e s come b y was v e r y s e ld o m I
know when th e y do come b y ,
7
10
665
and L i t t l e
them i n
th e b a ck l i k e
James and spend
he
tim e w i t h
Y e s.
he do w i t h
th e
have them s i t up i n
room and s i t
r e g u la r d ru g c u s to m e rs ?
f r o n t and come
w i t h h im o r make them
go i n
up i n
th e
liv in g
th e b a c k and s i t
24
do w n.
25
W ould he t r e a t them th e same way as he w o u ld F la k e s o r

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2
them?
666
Jam es, w o u ld spend th e same am ount o f tim e w i t h
3
A
N o, n o t as much t im e .
4
Q
Now, y o u in d ic a t e d
th a t —
in
one o f th o s e c o n v e r s a tio n s
5
t h a t F la k e s was com in g b y and you knew i t
6
some tim e b e cause th e y had t o d is c u s s
was g o in g t o
some b u s in e s s ?
7
A
U h -h u h .
8
Q
So yo u knew t h a t F la k e s w a s n 't j u s t a r e g u la r d ru g
c u s to m e r?
9
10
A
Y e s.
11
Q
And was t h a t th e same case w i t h
12
A
Y e s.
13
Q
And y o u a ls o — yo u i n d ic a t e d t h a t y o u had n o t been
14
a r r e s t e d and o f c o u r s e ,
15
c a s e ; y o u w ere a r r e s t e d on t h i s
Y e s,
t h a t 's
L ittle
w ith
James?
th e e x c e p t io n o f t h i s
case?
16
A
Y e s.
17
Q
And y o u have n o t y e t been s e n te n c e d , have you?
18
A
No.
19
Q
So do yo u know w h a t y o u r p r e c is e
20
A
I
have i t
22
s o m e th in g .
Q
r ig h t.
s e n te n c e w i l l be?
f o r g e t th e e x a c t d a te t h a t th e Judge had is s u e d .
21
23
ta k e
A ll
w r itte n
r ig h t.
down a t home.
I
th in k
I d o n 't mean th e p r e c is e
24
mean y o u d o n 't know as y o u s i t
25
to
be im po sed on y o u , do you?
it
I do
was A p r i l th e
s e n te n c in g d a t e ,
th e r e w h a t s e n te n c e i s
I
g o in g

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REDIRECT
1
A
No .
2
Q
Y o u 'v e been in fo rm e d t h a t th e maximum i s
3
A
Y es.
4
Q
And th e m inim um i s
5
A
Yes.
6
Q
Or th e s e n te n c e can be an yw here b e tw e e n th e maximum o r
y e a rs ?
p r o b a tio n ?
minimum?
7
8
A
Y es.
9
Q
And y o u r a t t o r n e y in d ic a t e d
10
ta k e n i n t o
11
w e re l i a b l e
th a t c e r ta in
a c c o u n t, y o u r h i s t o r y ,
be
th e am ount o f d ru g s y o u
f o r and t h a t s o r t o f t h in g ?
12
A
Y e s.
13
Q
And y o u r c o o p e r a tio n
in
p le a d in g g u i l t y
and t e s t i f y i n g
14
a ls o one o f th o s e ite m s t o be ta k e n i n t o
15
th a t r ig h t?
16
A
Y e s.
17
Q
These p r o p e r t i e s
I
f a c t o r s have t o
18
w o rk o n ,
19
r e c a ll c o r r e c tly .
20
A
Y e s, he d i d .
21
Q
You a ls o
c o n s id e r a tio n ,
t h a t Lee E dw ards w o u ld send y o u t o ,
t h i n k y o u t a lk e d a b o u t f i v e
D id he r e f e r t o
is
o r s ix
to
o f them i f
th o s e as h i s
22
T h e re was c o n v e r s a t io n w here som ebody was g o in g t o
23
$185 f o r d ru g s ?
A
Y e s.
25
Q
O r d e r in g h a l f a d ip and a dim e?
do
I
p r o p e r t ie s ?
s a id t h a t y o u d i d n ' t make an y money on d r u g s .
24
is
spend

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A
Y e s.
2
Q
Where w o u ld t h a t money go to ?
3
A
M r. E d w a rd s ' h a n d s .
.
4
MR. BELLA;
Thank y o u ,
5
THE COURT;
R e c ro s s D a v is .
6
MR. TR U ITT;
8
Q
10
11
s ir ,
I have n o t h in g
fu rth e r.
Thank y o u . Y our H o n o r.
RECROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. TRUITT;
7
9
668
RECROSS DAVIS
A
M r. G u y to n ,
I b e lie v e y o u t o l d
M r. J a c k s o n t h a t y o u w o u ld
$30 a d a y t o
N ot — n o t — n o t a day.
S om etim es when I d id u s e . y o u
12
know ,
13
o r $30 a d a y .
I d id use som etim e s e v e r y d a y , b u t i t
14
Q
How much w o u ld 20 o r $30 buy?
15
A
$20 w o u ld be l i k e
16
Q
Now, I
w o u ld n 't : be 20
f o u r M cD onald s p o o n s .
assume t h a t y o u w o u ld m ix t h i s
m ix t u r e w i t h w a te r o r s o m e th in g e ls e
17
s u p p o r t y o u r h a b it ?
spend an yw here fro m 20 t o
h e r o in o r h e r o in
and i n j e c t i t ?
18
A
N o.
19
Q
How w o u ld y o u —
20
A
I
21
Q
And f o r one dose f o r y o u , how much w o u ld y o u use?
22
A
A dim e o r 20 c e n t a t a t im e .
23
Q
W h ich w o u ld be a M c D o n a ld 's spoon?
24
A
A dim e w o u ld be tw o M c D o n a ld 's spoons o r a M cD onald spoon
25
N o, I n e v e r s h o t d r u g s .
s n o r te d i t .
and a h a l f w o u ld be a d im e .
So th r e e
to
f o u r M cD onald

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2
s p o o n s w o u ld be c lo s e
Q
3
to
in h a le
it?
A
Y e s.
5
Q
How o f t e n
6
A
Two, no more th a n th r e e
—
how many t im e s
a d a y w o u ld y o u i n h a l e
Q
tim e s a d a y a t te n c e n t — you
So yo u w o u ld be g o in g th r o u g h a 20 o r more i f
it
9
A
I
y o u in h a le d
tw ic e ?
w o u ld n 't do — n o ,
I w o u ld n 't do tw o 2 0 ' s ;
11
to o much f o r me.
12
e i t h e r a d im e , and th e n l a t e r
13
more I w o u ld do e i t h e r one o f th e tw o .
Q
W ere o t h e r p e o p le who w e re
15
A
O h, y e s ,
16
Q
On a d a i l y
17
A
Y es.
18
Q
So i f
yes.
t h a t w o u ld be
I w o u ld do a dim e and I w o u ld do a 20 o r
14
on t h a t d a y i f
ju s t u s e rs ,
I w a n te d some
u s in g m ore th a n y o u ?
Much m ore th a n me.
b a s is ?
som ebody o r d e r e d a 20 and a 3 0 , t h a t c o u ld be v e r y
w e l l f o r t h e i r own p e r s o n a l use f o r t h a t day?
19
20
A
Yes.
21
Q
E a s ily ?
22
A
Y e s.
23
Q
Now,
Y e s,
I
A
Y es.
s ir .
b e lie v e
v e ry o fte n ,
24
25
it?
know , a t a $10 q u a n t i t y .
7
10
a 20.
A nd y o u w o u ld u s e a M c D o n a ld sp o o n e a c h t im e y o u w o u ld
4
8
669
RECROSS DAVIS
y o u s a id y o u d i d n ' t
c o rre c t?
see Jam es c o m in g a r o u n d

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Q
How many tim e s d id you see h im com in g a ro u n d ?
2
A
W e ll,
3
Q
Where d id yo u see h im ,
4
A
Y e s, he
5
/
I know h im ,
I
saw h im b e f o r e .
in
th e n e ig h b o rh o o d ?
s t a y in g n o t to o f a r
fro m h im .
He w o u ld c a l l on th e
phone on v a r io u s o c c a s io n s , he w o u ld come b y , y o u know .
6
Q
We h e a rd one o c c a s io n when he o r d e r e d a 20 and
7
A
Y es.
8
Q
And t h a t w o u ld i n y o u r o p in io n w o u ld be a p e r s o n a l use
9
10
A
Y es.
11
Q
And he l i v e d
in
th e n e ig h b o rh o o d and y o u 'd see h im i n
A
Y e s.
14
Q
D id m o st p e o p le who use d h e r o in use i t
15
A
Y e s,
16
Q
In y o u r
I
suppose.
18
e v e r y day?
20
d id p e o p le who use h e r o in ha ve t o use i t
I w o u ld n 't n e c e s s a r ily s a y t h a t .
I d i d n ' t have t o use
h e r o in e v e r y d a y when I was u s in g
it.
21
Q
B u t yo u chose t o use i t
22
A
Y e s,
23
25
th a t,
Q
e ls e .
e x p e r ie n c e and i n w h a t yo u know a b o u t y o u r own use
and use o f o t h e r s ,
A
e v e r y day?
I c o u l d n 't speak f o r e v e ry o n e
17
24
th e
n e ig h b o rh o o d ?
13
19
a 30?
am ount?
12
.
670
RECROSS DAVIS
j u s t a b o u t e v e r y day?
j u s t a b o u t e v e r y d a y yo u c a n .
ju s t a b o u t e v e ry
Yes,
I 'll
a g re e w i t h
day.
So a l o t o f th e p e o p le who w o u ld be co m in g a ro u n d w o u ld be
co m in g a ro u n d e v e r y d a y ,
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A
2
n o t n e c e s s a r i l y b e c a u s e M r.
671
E d w a rd s w o u l d n 't see
e v e ry o n e e v e ry d a y .
3
Q
B u t a l o t o f p e o p le w o u ld be u s in g i t
4
A
O ut in
5
Q
And w o u ld have t o be b u y in g some e v e r y day?
6
A
G re a t p o s s i b i l i t y .
7
/
N o,
RECROSS DAVIS
8
th e s t r e e t s
I
day?
suppose, y e s .
A ll
th e
d e p e n d s how b a d t h e i r h a b i t
w as.
Q
9
U n le s s th e y c o u ld a f f o r d
a la r g e
q u a n t i t y and kee p i t
on
hand?
10
A
Y e s.
11
Q
B u t m o st p e o p le c o u l d n 't do t h a t ,
12
A
E x a c t ly r i g h t .
13
Q
So t h e y 'd have t o p u rc h a s e i t
14
A
Y e s,
if
15
Q
Now,
ju s t
16
17
e v e ry
18
N o,
to
c le a r
th is
th e
u p , y o u s a id
b e d ro o m
I d i d n ' t sa y th e be d ro o m . I
e ith e r
e v e ry day?
th e y had th e money t o .
p e o p le w o u ld go i n
A
c o u ld th e y ?
in
w it h
s a id
th e re
was —
M r.
E d w a rd s ?
in
th e
fro n t
a lo t
of
room
or
th e b a ck room .
19
Q
The f r o n t room , okay?
20
A
He d i d n ' t l e t no one go i n
21
Q
So th e
h is
b e dro om .
f a c t t h a t F la k e s was com in g o v e r and y o u knew
22
g o in g t o be a lo n g c o n v e r s a t io n d i d n ' t mean a n y t h in g ,
*23
it?
24
A
D i d n ' t mean n o t h in g
t o me.
25
Q
D i d n ' t mean t h a t th e y w ere t a l k i n g
a b o u t d ru g s ?
it
was
d id

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A
They c o u ld have
been.
2
Q
They c o u ld have
been t a l k i n g
3
A
T h a t 's a p o s s i b i l i t y .
4
Q
B u t o f y o u r own k n o w le d g e , yo u d o n 't know w h a t a rra n g e m e n ts
5
6
/
672
RECROSS DAVIS
M r.
A
E d w a rd s h a d w i t h
F la k e s ,
a b o u t th e C h ic a g o B u lls ?
anyone?
y o u kn o w , he w o u ld s e n d
fo lk s
—
w hen p e o p le —
7
when I w o u ld an sw er th e phone on v a r io u s o c c a s io n s ,
8
w o u ld t e l l
9
o r d e r , yo u know , p a c k a g e s o r s o m e th in g , he w o u ld s a y go
10
F la k e s ,
11
had d ru g s .
me t o
te ll
p e o p le t o
so t h a t w o u ld g iv e
go t o
me th e
Q
B u t d o n 't know w he re he g o t them fro m ?
13
A
M r. E d w a rd s.
14
Q
N o, do you know t h a t f o r a f a c t ?
MR. BELLA:
16
MR. T R U IT T :
17
18
Q
THE COURT:
e x a m in a t io n ,
20
d is a g r e e w i t h
21
can f o l l o w
23
24
25
T h is
is
t h e y w o u ld
to
Y o u r H o n o r.
c ro s s
e x a m in a t io n .
Do yo u know t h a t f o r a f a c t ?
19
22
O b je c tio n ,
if
a s s u m p tio n t h a t F la k e s
12
15
F la k e s
he
C o u n s e l,
y o u h a v e w id e
I a g re e t h a t i t ' s
la t it u d e .
th e w it n e s s .
c ro s s
B u t you c a n 't
You can a sk h im q u e s t io n s ,
you
up.
MR. TRUITT:
I 'm
tr y in g
to
fo llo w
up i f
he knows t h a t
fo r a fa c t.
THE COURT:
an sw e r no i s
The C o u rt s u s t a in s
o rd e re d s t r ic k e n .
th e o b j e c t i o n
and th e
The o t h e r p a r t can go i n .

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RECROSS DAVIS
MR. T R U IT T ;
1
2
Q
Do y o u know t h a t f o r
a fa c t?
3
A
Yes.
4
Q
How do y o u know t h a t
fo r
5
A
B e c a u s e when he t e l l
me t o
.
a fa c t?
te ll
p e o p le
to
go t o
F la k e s ,
d ru g s
fro m ,
do y o u ?
go t o
h im ,
t h a t l e t me know t h a t he h a d d r u g s .
6
7
Q
Y o u 'r e
8
A
N o,
9
Q
You knew t h a t he h a d d ru g s ?
10
A
Y es.
11
Q
B u t y o u d o n ' t know w h e re he g o t th e
12
A
Had t o
13
Q
You d o n ' t know t h a t ,
14
A
W e ll,
I
a s s u m in g ,
a r e n 't you?
knew t h i s .
g e t th e m fr o m h im .
if
he t o l d
do y o u ?
me t o
te ll
th e
p e o p le
to
t h a t 's
o b v io u s .
15
16
Q
Now, y o u 'r e
17
A
N o.
18
Q
D id M r.
E d w a rd s e v e r t e l l
th e re fo re
19
m a k in g an a s s u m p t io n ,
F la k e s
I
g a ve F la k e s d r u g s
has d ru g s and r e f e r
20
A
Y es.
21
Q
He t o l d
22
A
Yes.
23
Q
W e ll,
now,
24
A
N o,
knew —
25
Q
P r e v io u s ly yo u t o l d
I
you,
a r e n 't you?
p e o p le
to
so
F la k e s ?
you th a t?
t h a t 's
an new —
u s M r.
a new w r i n k l e ,
is n 't
it?
E d w a rd s n e v e r d is c u s s e d b u s in e s s

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w i t h you?
2
When p e o p le
3
go t o
4
d ru g s .
c a ll,
F la k e s ,
lik e
MR. TRUITT:
5
lik e
I
674
FURTHER REDIRECT
I
say,
s a id ,
if
he t o l d
t h a t 's
Thank y o u ,
me t o
o b v io u s
te ll
th e m t o
t h a t F la k e s h a d
I d o n 't have a n y f u r t h e r
q u e s t io n s .
6
THE COURT:
7
/ 8
R e c ro s s D u r r .
MR. MCGRATH:
THE COURT:
9
N o t h in g ,
Y o u r H o n o r.
R e c ro s s E d w a rd s.
10
MR. JACKSON:
N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r.
1
1
THE COURT:
R e - r e d i r e c t G o v e rn m e n t.
12
MR. BELLA:
Ju st b r ie fly .
H o n o r.
FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
13
14
15
You w e re a ske d i f
L ittle
James c a l l e d
16
o r a 3 0 , t h a t c o u ld be f o r h i s
A
Y e s.
18
Q
When o t h e r d ru g c u s to m e rs w o u ld c a l l
L ittle
20
was c a l l i n g
in
Jam es' phone nu m b e r, t h a t was f o r
A
Y e s.
22
Q
N ot fo r L i t t l e
23
A
You s a y when o t h e r c u s to m e rs c a l l i n g
James t o
24
Jam es' phone n u m b e r,
25
to
to
and y o u gave o u t
th e c u s to m e r who
t o g e t d ru g s ?
21
try
and o r d e r e d a 20
p e r s o n a l use?
17
19
in
g e t d ru g s ?
and I
g iv e
out L ittle
t h a t was f o r c u s to m e rs t h a t w o u ld c a l l
see M r. E dw ards and he w o u ld n 't s e l l
it
to
th e m .

Page 41 675
1
/
he w o u ld t e l l
th e m t o
go t o
2
MR. BELLA:
T h a t 'S
3
THE COURT:
R e -re c ro s s
4
MR. T R U IT T :
5
THE COURT:
6
MR. Mc Gr a t h ;
7
THE COURT:
8
MR. JACKSON:
9
THE COURT:
a ll
N o t h in g ,
I
Ja m e s.
have.
D a v is .
Y o u r H o n o r.
R e -re c ro s s D u rr.
N o t h in g ,
Y o u r H o n o r.
R e -re c ro s s
E d w a rd s .
N o t h in g ,
Y o u r H o n o r.
You may s t e p d o w n ,
th a n k y o u .
(T h e w it n e s s was e x c u s e d . )
10
THE COURT:
11
12
L it tle
—
o r th e
C o u n s e l,
tr a n s c r ip t ,
w o u ld y o u r e t r i e v e
I 'm
th e
e x h ib its
M r.
G u y to n .
s o rry .
13
C a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s .
14
MR. BELLA;
S p e c ia l A g e n t M ay, Y o u r H o n o r .
15
THE COURT:
S p e c ia l A g e n t M ay, y o u may ta k e
16
you r e a liz e
y o u 'r e
17
THE WITNESS:
18
THE COURT:
19
th e
—
to
MR. T R U IT T ;
21
MR. Mc Gr a t h ;
22
THE COURT;
24
25
Y es,
N o,
N o,
th e
s ta n d ,
u n d e r o a th .
s ir .
Do a n y c o u n s e l w a n t me t o
r e - s w e a r h im
20
23
s till
You may l e a v e ,
in ,
I 'm
s o rry .
Y o u r H o n o r.
Y o u r H o n o r.
You may be s e a te d .
re —
r e - g iv e

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DIRECT
THEODORE MAY
2
r e c a l l e d as a w itn e s s b y th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g p r e v i o u s ly
d u ly sw orn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and
n o t h in g b u t th e t r u t h , was exa m ine d and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r
as f o l l o w s :
3
4
5
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
6
7
Q
W i l l yo u s t a t e y o u r name?
' 8
A
T h e o d o re May.
9
MR. BELLA:
10
THE COURT:
11
MR. BELLA:
12
Q
If
I may a p p ro a c h . Y our H onor?
You may.
S p e c ia l A g e n t May, I
show yo u w h a t 's been m a rked f o r
13
p u rp o s e o f i d e n t i f i c a t i o n
14
5 7 , d id yo u p r e p a re
15
A
16
Q
as G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t s
th o s e c a s s e tte s ?
Y e s, I d i d .
And yo u t e s t i f i e d
d u p lic a te
18
d i d yo u f o l l o w
19
c a s s e tte s and d id yo u make th e
20
th e p r e v io u s c a s s e tte s yo u t e s t i f i e d
A
T h a t 's
r e e ls
p r e v i o u s ly a b o u t p r e p a r in g c a s s e t t e s
17
21
56 and
fro m th e T i t l e
III
w ir e
in te r c e p tio n
fro m
o rd e r;
th e same p ro c e d u re s when yo u p r e p a r e d th e s e
same d e t e r m in a t io n s as t o
a b o u t?
c o rre c t.
22
THE COURT:
C o u n s e l, w h ic h
23
MR. BELLA:
56 and 5 7 .
24
THE COURT:
25
MR. TRUITT:
Thank
— w h ic h num bers a re th e s e ?
you.
C ro s s D a v is .
N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r.
T h a t 's a l l
I
have.

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THE COURT:
2
MR. McGr a t h :
3
THE COURT:
4
MR. JACKSON:
5
THE COURT:
6
C ro s s D u r r .
N o th in g .
C ro s s E d w a rd s .
N o th in g , Y our H o n o r.
You may s t e p d o w n .
(The w itn e s s was e x c u s e d .)
7
/
677
DIRECT
MR. BELLA:
8
w it n e s s .
9
s m a lle r .
10
I have
THE COURT:
11
speak d i r e c t l y
12
e v e ry b o d y i n
Y o u r H o n o r, W i l l i e
M c In to s h
is
th e
next
a n o th e r s e t o f t r a n s c r i p t s ,
q u ite
a b it
P le a s e be s e a te d ,
c h a ir
up,
in to
p u ll yo u r
th e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t
th e c o u rtro o m may h e a r .
13
MR. BELLA:
If
14
THE COURT:
You may.
15
I may a p p ro a c h . Y o u r H onor?
W IL L IE MCINTOSH
16
c a l l e d as a w itn e s s b y th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u ly
sw o rn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h in g b u t
th e t r u t h , was e xa m in e d and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s :
17
18
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
19
20
Q
W ould y o u s t a t e
21
A
22
Q
23
A
M - c - I- N - T - O - S - H .
24
Q
And w h a t c i t y
25
A
G a ry .
W illie
y o u r name, p le a s e ?
M c In to s h .
And w o u ld y o u s p e l l y o u r l a s t name,
do y o u l i v e
in ,
s ir ?
s ir ?

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Q
M r. M c In to s h , do yo u know Lee Edwards?
2
A
Y e s,
3
Q
And can yo u t e l l us how you know him ?
4
A
W e ll,
5
/
I do.
g o in g b a ck q u i t e
6
Q
7
A
Y e s,
8
Q
W hat i s
A
10
Q
11
12
O kay.
yo u know ,
good w h ile
a b it.
I do.
W e ll,
th a t?
he was s e l l i n g
d ru g s .
And have yo u e v e r p a r t i c i p a t e d w i t h h im s e l l i n g d ru g s as
f a r as a n s w e rin g th e phone o r m e e tin g p e o p le ?
A
Y e s,
I have.
MR.
BELLA:
14
THE
COURT:
15
MR. BELLA:
Q
M r. M c In to s h ,
If
I may a p p ro a c h th e w it n e s s .
I 'm
g o in g t o
show yo u w h a t 's been m a rked as
G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t 56 and 57 and ask i f
18
b e fo r e ?
y o u 'v e
19
A
YeS/
20
Q
And have y o u l i s t e n e d
21
A
Y e s.
22
Q
A re th e s e c o p ie s — a re th e s e c o n v e r s a tio n s
seen th o s e
I have.
23
p a r tic ip a te d
24
s a le s ?
A
Y o u r H on or?
You may.
17
25
back,
And do yo u know w h a t M r. Edw ards does?
13
16
a w h ile ,
y o u know , fro m h im b e in g a ro u n d q u i t e
9
678
DIRECT
By l i s t e n i n g
to
th e s e ?
in
o v e r M r. E d w a rd s '
to
th e m , y e s .
Y e s,
t h a t yo u
te le p h o n e c o n c e r n in g d r u g
I d id .

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Y o u r H o n o r,
I move
679
to
E x h i b i t s 56 and 5 7 .
.
3
THE COURT;
4
MR. T R U IT T ;
5
MR. McGRATH;
No o b j e c t i o n .
6
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
7
THE COURT;
8
a d m it G o v e r n m e n t's
A n y o b je c t i o n ?
No o b j e c t i o n ,
They a re
Y o u r H o n o r.
b o th a d m it t e d .
(G o v e rn m e n t E x h i b i t N um bers 56 a n d 57 w e re
a d m it t e d i n t o e v id e n c e . )
9
10
11
MR. BELLA;
Q
12
13
M r. M c I n t o s h ,
I 'l l
A
I 'm
g o in g
h a v e some q u e s t io n s
to
a s k t h a t th e s e be p la y e d a n d
f o r yo u a b o u t th e s e ,
okay?
O kay.
14
MR. MAY;
15
T h is
is
E x h ib it
56.
(G o v e rn m e n t E x h i b i t Num ber 5 6 , an a u d io
r e c o r d i n g , was p la y e d i n o p e n c o u r t . )
ta p e
16
17
Q
18
M r. M c I n t o s h , w h e re w e re y o u a t w hen y o u a n s w e re d t h a t
p h o n e , o r when y o u t a lk e d on t h a t phone?
19
A
th and T a f t P la c e .
20
Q
21
A
Lee E d w a r d s '.
22
Q
Now, t h i s
And i n
y o u r o p in io n , whose r e s id e n c e
p e rs o n c a l l i n g
in
24
A
25
Q
It
mean a b o u t 4 0 ,
h a l f a d i p o f w h ite ?
$50 w o r th o f h e r o in .
A b o u t how much d id yo u say?
th a t?
s a id th e y w a n te d h a l f a d i p o f
w h i t e ; w h a t does t h a t mean t o y o u ,
23
is

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A
A b o u t $40 w o r t h .
2
Q
^hat —
w hy a l l
3
p la c e
to
4
w h o 's
c a llin g
th is
c o n v e r s a t io n
m e e t som ew here?
in
to
ju s t
680
DIRECT
in
Was i t
tr y in g
p o s s ib l e
come d i r e c t l y
to
to
s e t up a
fo r
th is
th e
house?
5
A
N o.
6
Q
Why i s
7
A
W e ll,
8
Q
When y o u s a y he d i d n ' t w a n t a n y o n e c o m in g t h e r e
th a t?
he d i d n ' t w a n t n o b o d y c o m in g t h e r e
d i d n ' t k n o w , who a r e y o u t a l k i n g
9
p e rs o n
he d i d n ' t k n o w .
t h a t he
a b o u t?
10
A
N e e n ie W h it e .
11
Q
When y o u s a y h e , who a r e y o u t a l k i n g
12
A
Lee E d w a rd s .
13
Q
Lee E d w a rd s d i d n ' t w a n t a n y o n e c o m in g b y h i s
a b o u t?
h o u s e t h a t he
d i d n ' t know?
14
15
A
R ig h t.
16
Q
So y o u 'd have t o make a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet som ewhere e ls e ?
17
A
Y e s.
18
Q
A nd t h i s
19
a s k in g
20
d id
m e e tin g
t h a t Lee s e t u p som ew here e l s e ,
som eone t o
b r in g
it
sh e mean when she s a id
o u t to
me, w h a t i n
can yo u b r in g
21
A
She w a n te d som ebody t o
22
Q
And b y b r in g i n g
23
A
To b r in g i n g
24
Q
Now, M r. M c In to s h , yo u w ere c h a rg e d i n
25
it,
b r in g
it
to
it
N e e n ie
y o u r o p in io n
o u t to
me?
h e r.
w h a t a re y o u r e f e r r i n g
to ?
th e h e r o in .
Count 3 o f t h is
in d ic t m e n t a lo n g w i t h M r. G u y to n , M r. E d w a rd s , M r. D a v is ,

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Ms. D u rr and o t h e r d e fe n d a n ts w i t h
2
o r c o n s p ir a c y t o v i o l a t e
3
r ig h t?
4
A
5
Q
6
A
7
Q
th e c rim e o f c o n s p ir in g
d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g
la w s ,
And y o u p le d g u i l t y
to
And i n
th a t co u n t in
e xch ang e f o r t h a t g u i l t y
9
s e n te n c in g g u id e lin e s
th e
in d ic t m e n t ?
p le a ,
th e G o ve rnm ent a g re e d
recommend f o r you a m inim um s e n te n c e u n d e r th e
r e m a in in g c h a rg e s
11
A
R ig h t .
12
Q
And i n
t h a t a p p ly t o y o u and d is m is s a n y
a g a in s t y o u ,
e xch ang e f o r t h a t ,
13
te s t if y in g
14
t r ia l,
tr u t h f u lly
if
is
th a t r ig h t?
you a g re e d t o
c o o p e r a te b y
c a l l e d upon t o do so i n
A
T h a t 's
16
Q
A ll r ig h t.
r ig h t.
M r.
M c In to s h , when y o u w o u ld ta k e t h i s
17
yo u w o u ld t a l k
18
make th e s e a rra n g e m e n ts , w h a t w o u ld yo u g e t f o r
to
th e s e d ru g
19
A
A s m a ll p o r t i o n o f d r u g s .
20
Q
And w h e re w o u ld y o u g e t t h a t
21
A
24
25
a c r im in a l
is th a t r ig h t?
15
23
th a t
Y es.
to
22
is
Y e s.
8
10
681
DIRECT
or
when
c u s to m e rs on th e phone and
p o r tio n
th a t?
o f d ru g s fro m ?
From Lee E d w a rd s .
MR. BELLA:
O kay.
L e t 's
p la y th e
seco nd b i t
of
c o n v e r s a t io n
MR. MAY:
E x h i b i t 57 .
(G o v e rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 5 7 , an a u d io ta p e
r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . )

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1
MR. BELLA:
2
3
Q
4
O kay.
M r.
M c In to s h ,
ta lk e d
on th e
5
A
R ig h t.
6
Q
A nd who i s
7
A
L e e 's w i f e .
8
Q
Now, a t t h e
c a llin g
9
L o rri
b e g in n in g
b e tw e e n Lee a n d t h e
12
th e phone a lo t ?
13
A
D id he w h a t?
14
Q
D id he l i k e
o f th e
fo r h e r,
to
N o, d i d n ' t
ta lk
ta lk
E d w a rd s
r ig h t?
c o n v e r s a tio n ,
and a s k in g
to
on i t
th e
do i t
c u s to m e r was
th e
about i f
Lee c o u ld
k e p t g o in g b a c k a n d f o r t h
and L o r r i
D id Lee E d w a rd s e v e r t a l k
c u s to m e r .
w o u ld he h a v e o t h e r s
th e s e
p e o p le ?
He w o u ld t a l k
but not
phone a l o t
to
on
Or
f o r h im ?
v e r y m u ch .
v e r y m u ch .
17
18
th a t
o r D e b b ie was c a l l i n g
11
A
is
L o rri
E d w a rd s?
do s o m e th in g
15
t h a t c o n v e r s a t io n
p h on e f i r s t ,
10
16
in
Q
19
N o t v e r y m u ch .
How w o u ld he c o m m u n ic a te w i t h
t h a t w o u ld c a l l
in
20
A
T h ro u g h —
21
Q
H e 'd h a v e o t h e r s
22
A
Y es.
23
Q
Now,
th is
24
ta lk e d
25
fa v o r
th e n
t h r o u g h who —
ta lk
he w o u l d n 't t a l k
phone
p e r s o n w a n te d h im t o
g o in g
to
on th e
p e o p le
phone?
w h o e v e r was o v e r t h e r e .
on th e
a b o u t m oney t h a t
is
if
th e s e
h im ?
do h e r a f a v o r .
she o w e d .
be g r a n t e d ,
fo r
th a t
a n d she
Who d e c id e s w h e th e r a
is
t h a t som eone w i l l
get

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d r u g s on c r e d i t
lik e
2
A
Lee d o e s .
3
Q
C o u ld a n y o n e e ls e
4
A
N o.
5
Q
O n ly Lee?
6
A
Y es.
7
Q
A ls o
to
8
th a t?
d e c id e
in
y o u as W i l l i e
10
Q
You s a id w a tc h i t ?
11
A
Yes.
12
Q
A nd a n o t h e r t im e y o u t o l d
d o n 't l i k e
14
A
R ig h t.
15
Q
Why d i d
16
A
B ecause I
to
to
y o u s a y th o s e
knew i t
b u s in e s s d o in g
A
N o.
20
Q
A nd w hen y o u s a y y o u knew i t
24
25
W illie ,
I
and I
h a d no
it.
19
w h a t w e re y o u d o in g
23
I 'm
was w ro n g w h a t I was d o in g
You d i d n ' t w a n t t o
T a k in g d r u g s ,
som eone e ls e
t h in g s ?
Q
A
so m ebody r e f e r r e d
s a y my l a s t name?
18
22
y o u s a id
M c In to s h ?
Yes.
21
do t h a t ?
t h a t phone c o n v e r s a tio n ,
A
17
to
To my k n o w le d g e .
9
13
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id e n tify
y o u r s e l f o v e r th e
phone?
was w ro n g w h a t y o u w e re d o in g ,
t h a t was w ro n g ?
m e e tin g p e o p le
to
—
you know ,
to
f e e d my
h a b it.
Q
Now, y o u s a y t o
h a b it?
fe e d y o u r h a b i t ,
how w o u ld
it
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A
I w o u ld g e t d ru g s i n
2
Q
Who w o u ld d i r e c t you as t o w h e th e r you c o u ld ta k e th e d ru g s
3
4
o u t to
A
5
W e ll,
th e
p e o p le
r e t u r n and do the m .
o r n o t?
Lee w o u ld ask me w o u ld I
ta k e i t
o u t , y o u know , t o
th e m .
6
Q
D id y o u do t h a t on y o u r own w i t h o u t L e e 's
7
A
N o.
8
Q
W here w o u ld th e
9
th e
d ir e c t io n ?
.
d ru g s
come fr o m
t h a t y o u w o u ld t a k e
o u t to
p e o p le ?
10
A
Come fro m L e e .
11
Q
And when th e p e o p le w o u ld p a y f o r th e d r u g s , w h e re w o u ld
12
th e money t o go?
13
A
W ould go t o
14
Q
Now, yo u t e s t i f i e d
15
A
Y es, I do .
16
Q
W o u ld y o u e v e r — who w o u ld make u p th e s e
17
L e e 's
Lee.
y o u use d ru g s y o u r s e lf ?
d ru g p a c k e ts
at
house?
18
A
He —
19
Q
W o u ld y o u see h im m a k in g th e m up s o m e tim e s ?
20
A
W e ll,
21
Q
D id y o u see e q u ip m e n t t h a t he w o u ld use t o make up th e s e
22
I have,
make th e m u p .
I have.
Y es,
D id y o u se e —
I have saw h im make them u p .
p a c k e ts ?
23
A
24
Q
25
Lee w o u ld
Y e s.
And w h a t w o u ld he u s e , w he re w o u ld he g e t th e d ru g s fro m
and w h a t w o u ld he use t o make up th e p a c k e ts ?

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W e ll/
2
Q
A g la s s ,
3
A
L it tle
4
Q
A nd w o u ld y o u e v e r o b s e r v e w h a t k i n d
5
he w o u ld u s e a s m a ll b le n d e r ,
w h a t k in d
o f g la s s
685
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s c a le ,
and a g la s s .
a re you t a l k in g
a b o u t?
ro u n d c l e a r g la s s .
g e t th e
d r u g s o u t o f?
s m a ll b a g ,
6
A
A lit tle
7
Q
A n y o t h e r k in d s
lit tle
b it ty
o f c o n t a i n e r he w o u ld
s m a ll p l a s t i c
bag.
o f c o n t a in e r s . t h a t he w o u ld h a v e t h e
d ru g s
in ?
8
9
A
Y es,
lit tle
10
Q
O ra n g e p l a s t i c
11
A
Y es.
12
Q
W o u ld t h a t h a v e a l i d
13
A
Yes,
14
Q
A nd c o u ld y o u i n d i c a t e
it
p la s t ic
15
in
17
o ra n g e p l a s t i c
b o w l.
b o w l?
on i t
w o u ld h a v e a l i d ,
b o w l w it h
Y o u 'r e
16
o ra n g e —
th e
in d ic a tin g
o r n o t?
p la s t ic
lid ,
a b o u t how b i g
lid
th is
little
o ra n g e
is ?
a b o u t tw o a n d a h a l f ,
th r e e
in c h e s
d ia m e te r ?
18
A
Y es.
19
Q
A nd w h e re w o u ld Lee m ix u p th e s e
20
A
W e ll,
he w o u ld be on th e
flo o r
in
d ru g s ?
th e
p o rc h .
21
w h ite .
22
Q
On th e
flo o r
on th e
b a ck p o rc h ?
23
A
Yes.
24
Q
W o u ld he s i t
on th e
flo o r
25
A
Y es.
and do t h i s ?
b a c k on t h e
back

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T h e se t h i n g s
2
th e
lid ,
3
th o s e ?
th in k
t h a t he w o u ld u s e ,
th is
in
b le n d e r and th e
4
A
I
5
Q
In
6
A
Y es.
7
Q
A nd w h e re w o u ld t h a t be?
8
A
W here w o u ld i t
9
Q
W here w o u ld th e
a b la c k
a b la c k
th is
s c a le ,
o ra n g e
c o n ta in e r w it h
w h e re w o u ld he k e e p
bag.
bag?
.
be?
b la c k
b a g be t h e n ,
w h e re w o u ld he u s u a l l y
keep th a t?
10
11
A
S ittin g
12
Q
O r w h e re he w o u ld make up th e
13
A
Y es.
14
Q
W o u ld he make u p th e
on t h e
flo o r
b y h im o r e i t h e r
d ru g s
in
in
h is
b e d ro o m .
d ru g s ?
h is
b e d ro o m o r t h e
back
p o rc h ?
15
16
A
On th e
17
Q
You o b s e r v e d how b i g
18
A
A b o u t a f o o t and a h a l f
back p o rc h .
d ia m e t e r ,
19
20
686
DIRECT
Q
th is
b la c k
lo n g
to
bag i s ,
tw o f o o t .
M aybe a f o o t
y o u kn o w .
Now, y o u t e s t i f i e d
t h a t you used d ru g s y o u r s e lf ,
r ig h t?
21
do y o u r e c a l l ?
22
A
Y es.
23
Q
W here
w o u ld y o u g e t y o u r
24
A
W here
w o u ld I
25
Q
W here
w o u ld y o u g e t y o u r
d r u g s fro m ?
w h a t?
d r u g s fro m ?
is
th a t
in

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687
1
A
I 'd
g e t th e m fr o m
2
Q
I 'm
s o rry ?
3
A
I
4
Q
A n d w h a t o t h e r p la c e s w o u ld y o u g e t th e
5
A
I
6
Lee o r o t h e r p la c e s .
w o u ld g e t th e m fr o m
used to
Lee o r e i t h e r
b u y th e m o f f
th e
o t h e r p la c e s .
d ru g s
s t r e e t o r g e t th e m fr o m
F la k e s
o r P o n d e ro s a .
7
Q
How w o u ld y o u know t o
8
A
I w o u ld —
9
and,
a lo t
yo u know ,
g e t d ru g s
o f t im e s
I
fr o m
F la k e s
o r P o n d e ro s a ?
I w o u ld be b y t h e r e ,
so m ebody w o u ld s e n d me o v e r t h e r e .
You k n o w ,
11
g o , w hoever in
go.
th e
house t e l l
12
Q
W hoever i s
13
A
In
14
Q
T h e y w o u ld s e n d y o u t o
15
A
Y es.
16
in
yo u know ,
know t h e y w o u ld h a v e th e m o r e i t h e r
10
17
fro m ?
me t o
te ll
me t o
w h a t house?
L e e 's h o u s e .
Or e it h e r
I
F la k e s
o r P o n d e ro s a ?
j u s t go b y a n d c h e c k a n d se e d i d
th e y
h a v e th e m .
Q
18
W hat i s
F la k e s
y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g
r e la t io n s h ip
b e tw e e n
a n d Lee?
19
A
W e ll,
20
Q
S e llin g
21
A
Yes.
22
Q
A nd y o u 'v e
23
o f th e
F la k e s was s e l l i n g
o f th e
fo r
A
W e ll,
25
Q
S e llin g
re fe rre d
to
P o n d e r o s a ; w h a t 's
y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g
b e tw e e n P o n d e ro s a a n d Lee?
she was s e l l i n g
fo r
h im .
Lee?
r e la t io n s h ip
24
fo r
to o .
Lee as w e l l ?

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CROSS DAVIS
1
A
Y e s.
2
Q
P o n d e ro s a ; do yo u know w h a t h e r r e a l name is ?
3
A
No.
4
Q
You know h e r as P ond ero sa?
5
A
Y e s.
6
Q
Where — w h a t lo c a t i o n s w o u ld y o u go t o ,
to
see F la k e s
exam ple?
7
8
A
th and T y l e r .
9
Q
T y le r S t r e e t ?
10
A
rd and T y l e r , y e s ,
11
Q
th and T y le r ?
12
A
U h -h u h .
13
Q
W hat a b o u t P o n d e ro sa ?
14
A
2 1 s t and H a ye s.
15
Q
When yo u g o t d ru g s fro m F la k e s o r P o n d e ro s a , w h e re d id
th in k
16
17
A
on th e c o r n e r .
th o s e d ru g s o r i g i n a l l y w ere com in g fro m ?
From L e e .
18
MR. BELLA;
Thank y o u ,
19
THE COURT;
C ro s s D a v is
a ll
i
have.
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. TRUITT;
20
21
22
t h a t 's
Q
M r. M c In to s h , y o u i n d ic a t e d
t h a t you w ere u s in g d ru g s
y o u r s e lf ?
23
24
A
Y e s.
25
Q
How much d ru g s w ere y o u u s in g on a d a i l y
b a s is ?

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A
As much as c o u ld I g e t a h o ld o f ,
3
Q
A 20 o r a 30 o r —
4
A
20,
5
Q
And t h a t w o u ld be a d a i l y dosage f o r you?
6
A
Y e s, u h -h u h .
30 o r m o re , y o u know ,
7
9
if
I
MR. TR U ITT:
Thank y o u ,
THE COURT:
C ro s s D a v is .
10
MR. MCGRATH:
11
THE COURT:
12
MR. JACKSON:
c o u ld g e t i t .
t h a t 's
a ll
th e q u e s tio n s
I
I 'm
s o rry ,
c ro s s D u r r .
No q u e s t io n s . Y o u r H o n o r.
C ro s s E d w a rd s.
Thank y o u , Y o u r H o n o r.
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. JACKSON:
13
14
Q
M r. M c In to s h , d id y o u t a l k
to anybody p r io r
to
co m in g i n t o
c o u r t to d a y a b o u t y o u r te s tim o n y ?
16
17
A
N o.
18
Q
And y o u d i d n ' t t a l k
19
A
I
20
Q
O kay.
21
A
He t o l d
ta lk e d
t o M r. B e lla ?
t o h im u p s t a i r s .
W hat d i d y o u tw o t a l k
a b o u t?
me t h a t th e y w o u ld come and g e t me.
T o ld me t o
a n sw e r t r u t h f u l l y .
22
Q
O kay.
D id yo u t a l k
a b o u t th e c o n te n t o r c o n t e x t o f w h a t
y o u w e re g o in g t o be s a y in g to d a y ?
24
25
h a rd t o
have.
8
23
I t 's
yo u know .
say.
2
15
689
CROSS EDWARDS
A
No.

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Q
T a lk t o an y FBI a g e n ts ?
2
A
I
3
spoke t o
tw o o u t s id e
som ebody, you know , th e tw o - I
4
Q
How lo n g ago?
5
A
P r io r to
6
690
I
th in k
it
was
spoke t o .
com in g — you know , p r i o r
to
com in g i n t o
h e re
I
th in k .
7
Q
W hat d id yo u t a l k
8
A
S ittin g
9
10
CROSS EDWARDS
to
them a b o u t?
a ro u n d a s k in g me how I 'm
d o in g . yo u know .
t h a t 's
a ll.
Q
11
Has a n yb o d y r e fr e s h e d y o u r memory a b o u t w h a t o c c u r r e d b a c k
in
1990?
12
A
N o, n o .
13
Q
O kay.
14
A
N o.
15
Q
— y o u j u s t h e a rd ?
Back i n
tim e when th e ta p e was —
16
You e v e r been a r r e s t e d b e fo r e ?
17
MR. BELLA;
O b je c t io n t o
18
THE COURT;
S u s ta in e d .
19
MR. JACKSON;
th a t.
20
Q
How lo n g have y o u been u s in g d ru g s ?
21
A
y e a r s o r m o re .
22
Q
20?
23
A
o r m o re .
24
Q
W hat ty p e o f d ru g s do you use?
25
A
H e r o in and c o k e ,
c o c a in e ,
Y our H o n o r.
and a l c o h o l .

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Q
C o n s id e r y o u r s e l f an a lc o h o lic ?
2
A
Y e s.
3
Q
4
A
Y e s,
5
Q
O kay.
6
A
Just got out o f
7
Q
How many tim e s have y o u
8
A
9
You c o n s id e r y o u r s e l f a d d ic te d t o h e r o in and c o c a in e ?
I 'm
I 'v e
an a d d i c t .
A re yo u i n
been in
re h a b r i g h t now?
re h a b .
been, i n
re hab ?
re h a b a t l e a s t a b o u t f o u r
or
fiv e
tim e s .
Maybe s i x .
10
Q
When was th e l a s t tim e
11
A
The l a s t tim e
12
13
691
CROSS EDWARDS
yo u used?
I use d was b e fo r e
I w ent
in
re h a b ,
tw o d a y s
b e fo re .
Q
14
O kay.
You d i d n ' t use my d ru g s p r i o r
to
co m in g i n
h e re
to d a y , d id you?
15
A
16
Q
17
No.
Back i n
1 9 9 0 , th e ta p e we h e a rd ,
how h e a v i l y w e re y o u u s in g
th e phone c o n v e r s a t io n ,
b a ck th e n ?
18
A
As much as I c o u ld g e t .
19
Q
A g a in how much w o u ld t h a t be i n a day?
20
A
Oh, i t
was h a rd t o
21
know ,
22
j u s t — y o u know ,
23
$50,
s a y b e c a u s e , yo u know ,
I w o u ld n 't be s p e n d in g money f o r
if
I 'd
I w o u ld g e t ,
24
Q
W ould
25
A
Y e s, b u t I
sa y a b o u t 40 o r ,
yo u know .
t h a t be enough t o g e t y o u s to n e d ?
s till
be w a n tin g some m o re .
I w o u ld n 't
it,
y o u know .
yo u know ,
— you
I was
35, 40,

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Q
So t h a t am ount yo u c o u ld f e e l th e e f f e c t s ?
2
A
Y e s.
3
Q
Were yo u d r i n k i n g d u r in g t h a t tim e ?
4
A
Y e s.
5
Q
Were yo u g e t t i n g
6
A
W e ll,
d ru n k d u r in g t h a t tim e ?
I n e v e r d id g e t d r u n k .
Q
j u s t d r in k
B u t th e ta p e s we j u s t h e a rd w i t h y o u r v o ic e
10
A
I
11
Q
I n y o u r o p in io n do — b a ck i n
d id n 't
on t h e r e ,
you
p r o b a b ly —
I p r o b a b ly was w a i t i n g
to
1 9 9 0 , d id
g e t some.
th o s e d ru g s ha ve an
e f f e c t on y o u r m ind?
12
A
I
know i t
have e f f e c t on my m in d ,
14
As f a r —
15
s o m e th in g g o t t o be w ro n g w i t h me.
16
a lo t;
w e re u s in g d ru g s a t t h a t tim e ?
9
13
I
g e t d ru n k .
7
8
692
CROSS EDWARDS
Q
So y o u 'r e
I 'm
I mean y o u go o u t and k i l l
n o t in
th e same s t a t e
a lm o s t s u re i t
m y s e lf ,
I
do.
got —
o f m ind as y o u w e re b a c k
th e n ?
17
18
A
I d o n 't know .
19
Q
Now, w i t h
tw o t a l k
20
I m ig h t be i n
re s p e c t to
a b e tte r
s ta te .
F la k e s and L e e , d id y o u e v e r see th o s e
t o g e th e r ?
21
A
Y es.
22
Q
Now, y o u have been c h a rg e d u n d e r th e
in d ic t m e n t w h ic h w e 'r e
h e re on to d a y , h a v e n 't you?
23
24
A
Y e s.
25
Q
W h a t's th e p o s s ib le maximum s e n te n c e t h a t y o u w e re f a c in g

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p r io r
to
th is
p le a a g re e m e n t?
2
A
I 'm
3
Q
You had an a t t o r n e y ?
4
A
Y e s.
5
Q
You do have an a t t o r n e y c u r r e n t l y ?
6
A
Y e s.
7
Q
O kay.
n o t s u re .
We t a lk e d a b o u t i t ,
And t h i s
a t t o r n e y d is c u s s e d , w i t h y o u th e p o s s ib le
9
A
Y e s, he d i d .
10
Q
And when fa c e d w i t h
11
A
Y e s , u h -h u h .
13
Q
O kay.
And i n
c o o p e r a t io n ,
14
p r is o n
f o r y o u r o ffe n s e ?
U h -h u h .
a g re e m e n t w i t h
12
b u t I d i d n ' t , y o u know .
D id you have a a t t o r n e y ?
tim e y o u c o u ld do i n
8
693
CROSS EDWARDS
th a t,
d id y o u e n t e r i n t o
a p le a
th e G overnm ent?
exch ang e f o r c o o p e r a t io n , y o u 'r e
p r o m is in g
c o rre c t?
15
A
Y e s.
16
Q
I n e xch a n g e f o r t h a t ,
y o u 'r e
g o in g t o have a re d u c e d
s e n te n c e , a r e n ' t you?
17
18
A
Y es, h o p e f u lly .
19
Q
O kay.
Has y o u r a t t o r n e y
r e p r e s e n te d t o y o u th e
tim e y o u 'r e
lo o k in g a t d o in g now?
20
21
A
Say t h a t a g a in .
22
Q
O ka y.
Has y o u r a t t o r n e y s a id t h a t w it h o u t c o o p e r a t io n
23
y o u 'r e
g o in g t o g e t 20 y e a r s , w i t h
24
to
25
A
g e t some o t h e r f ig u r e ?
N o, he d i d n ' t s a y t h a t .
c o o p e r a tio n y o u 'r e
g o in g

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Q
O kay.
B u t y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g
lig h te r
2
A
W e ll,
4
Q
O kay.
5
A
I t 's
6
Q
But i t 's
n o t r e a lly .
B ut is
up to
I u n d e r s ta n d
—
it 's
up t o
th e
H o p e fu lly .
9
Q
I
b e lie v e
in
11
A
W h a t's
12
Q
Y o u r p le a
y o u 'r e
to
r e c e iv e
th e
th o u g h ,
Judge.
th a t —
to
g e t a re d u c e d
M r.
B e lla ,
you s ta te d
g e t th e m inim u m s e n te n c e ?
th a t?
a g re e m e n t a g a in
is
s ta tin g
c o rre c t,
I
guess s o ,
I
up t o
g o in g
t h e m in im u m s e n te n c e ,
—
it 's
y o u r e x a m in a t io n w i t h
y o u w e re g o in g
A
to
.
A
13
g o in g
Judge.
s e n te n c e ?
10
y o u 'r e
t h a t y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g ,
a p o s s ib ility
8
14
is
s e n te n c e b e c a u s e o f y o u r c o o p e r a t io n ?
3
7
694
CROSS EDWARDS
guess.
Y es,
I
y o u 'r e
u n d e r th e
I
g o in g
to
have
g u i d e li n e s ?
d o n 't know .
I 'm
not
s u re .
15
16
Q
W e ll,
you t o ld
17
A
Yes.
W e ll,
have th e
18
M r.
B e lla
th a t
w h a t I u n d e r s ta n d
la s t
t h a t 's
it 's
Q
O kay.
D id y o u s ig n
20
A
Yes.
21
Q
A nd y o u r e a d a n d u n d e r s to o d t h e
a p le a
a g re e m e n t w hen y o u s ig n e d
23
A
Y es, u h -h u h .
24
Q
Now, d i d
25
A
N o.
M r.
up t o
case?
th e
Judge.
say.
19
22
th e
E d w a rd s h i r e
a g re e m e n t?
it,
you?
c o n te n ts
d i d n 't you?
o f t h a t p le a
He
a

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Q
D id he i n t e r v i e w
2
A
N o.
3
Q
D id he g iv e
4
A
N o.
5
Q
D id he w i t h h o l d
yo u ?
you a pay check?
any ta x e s
been tr a n s f e r r e d
6
to
fo r
a n y m o n ie s t h a t c o u ld h a v e
you?
7
A
N o , he d i d n ' t .
8
Q
How lo n g h a v e y o u know n Lee?
9
A
A good 20 y e a rs o r 1 9 , y e s ,
.
10
MR. JACKSON:
11
THE COURT:
I
a ro u n d 20 y e a r s m aybe.
h a v e n o t h in g
fu rth e r.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
13
Q
M r. M c I n t o s h ,
d e liv e r e d
15
c o u ld y o u h a v e ta k e n
A
N o.
17
Q
Who w o u ld h a v e t o
18
A
Lee E d w a rd s .
19
Q
Do y o u see M r.
20
A
Y es,
21
Q
A nd c o u ld y o u p o i n t o u t w h e re he i s
25
d ru g o rd e rs
or
d i r e c t yo u as f a r
E d w a rd s i n
th e
as d o in g
c o u r tr o o m
th a t?
to d a y ?
do.
and d e s c r ib e
w h a t 's
he
w e a r in g ?
22
24
I
th e s e
th e s e d r u g s on y o u r own?
16
23
Y o u r H o n o r.
R e d i r e c t G o v e rn m e n t.
12
14
695
REDIRECT
A
W e a r in g a p u r p l e
MR. BELLA:
w it n e s s
s w e a te r a n d a b lu e
s h ir t .
Y o u r H o n o r, w o u ld th e
has id e n t i f i e d
th e
re c o rd
r e fle c t
th e
d e fe n d a n t Lee A n d re w E d w a rd s .

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THE
2
MR. JACKSON:
3
THE
4
MR. BELLA:
5
Q
6
REDIRECT
696
COURT; A ny o b je c t io n ?
No o b j e c t i o n .
COURT; So i n d ic a t e d .
You in d ic a t e d yo u saw F la k e s come o v e r t o M r. E d w a rd s '
house?
7
A
W hat was t h a t ?
8
Q
You saw F la k e s come o v e r t o M r. E d w a rd s '?
9
A
Y e s, u h -h u h .
10
Q
And w h a t i s
11
.
your
u n d e r s ta n d in g as t o why he was c o m in g o v e r
th e r e ?
12
A
To p ic k up h i s p a c k a g e .
13
Q
And d i d y o u e v e r o b s e rv e how many p a c k e ts F la k e s w o u ld p ic k
14
up when he w o u ld come o v e r th e r e ?
15
A
N o, n o t r e a l l y .
16
Q
Anyone e ls e
17
lik e
F la k e s t h a t y o u w o u ld o b s e rv e come o v e r
t h e r e and p ic k up
p a c k e ts ?
you know .
18
A
P o n d e ro s a m aybe,
19
Q
P o n d e ro s a w o u ld do th e
20
A
Y e s.
21
Q
D id y o u
22
A
Who?
23
Q
L i t t l e James?
24
A
25
I
see L i t t l e
know o f L i t t l e
same t h i n g
as F la k e s ?
James o v e r t h e r e
as w e ll?
Jam es, b u t I n e v e r was o v e r t h e r e when he
r e a l l y was o v e r t h e r e .

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2
I 'm
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s o r r y f y o u w o u ld n 't be o v e r th e r e a t th e
he?
3
A
No.
4
Q
I
see.
A nd F la k e s a n d P o n d e ro s a w o u ld go o v e r t o
5
t h e i r p a c k e ts , y o u w o u ld a ls o be d i r e c t e d
6
p ic k up d ru g s y o u r s e lf ?
7
A
Y e s, y e s .
8
Q
B y p e o p le
9
A
Y e s.
10
Q
By p e o p le i n
11
A
12
Y e s.
If
to
p ic k
go t o
up
them t o
—
I
M r. E d w a rd s ' house?
come i n ,
yes,
th e y w o u ld t e l l me t o
go see i f
th e y have a n y t h in g .
13
MR. BE LLA ;
14
the
15
MR. T R U IT T ;
Thank y o u ,
COURT;
N o t h in g ,
the
COURT;
17
MR. MCGRATH;
18
THE COURT;
19
MR. JACKSON;
20
THE COURT;
21
s ir ,
I
h a v e n o t h in g
fu rth e r.
R e c ro s s D a v is .
15
22
same tim e as
Y o u r H o n o r.
R e c ro s s D u r r .
N o t h in g .
R e c ro s s E d w a rd s.
N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r.
You may s te p down, th a n k y o u f o r
c o m in g .
(The w itn e s s was e x c u s e d .)
THE COURT;
L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n ,
I
th in k
it's
it's
23
m in u te s a f t e r t e n ,
a good tim e
24
o u r m id m o rn in g b r e a k .
25
C o u rt gave yo u b e f o r e ; do n o t d is c u s s t h i s
a b o u t 18
f o r us to
ta k e
Remember th e a d m o n itio n t h a t th e
ca se among

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1
y o u r s e lv s s ,
do n o t p e r m i t a n y o n e t o
2
in
3
a n y o p in i o n
4
you.
y o u r p re s e n c e .
on t h i s
H o w e v e r,
5
6
to
7
fo llo w
It
is
y o u r d u ty n o t to
case u n t i l
b e fo re
d is c u s s
it
yo u le a v e ,
t h e M a r s h a l who w i l l
ta k e
is
fo r m
f in a lly
p a ss th e
th e m .
it
w it h
you o r
o r e x p re s s
s u b m it t e d
tr a n s c r ip t s
A nd w i t h
th a t,
to
down
y o u may
th e M a r s h a l u p s t a i r s .
(T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d fr o m t h e c o u r t r o o m ,
a n d th e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d ,
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s . )
8
9
THE COURT:
10
11
to
a d d re s s
12
b re a k ?
th e
You may be s e a te d .
C o u r t a b o u t b e f o r e we ta k e
13
MR. T R U IT T :
14
MR. MCGRATH:
N o t h in g ,
15
MR. JACKSON:
N o t h in g .
16
MR. BELLA:
N o t h in g ,
C o u rt e a r lie r
t h a t th e re
18
I
19
a s s i s t me a t c o u n s e l t a b l e .
20
w it n e s s
o u r m id m o r n in g
Y o u r H o n o r.
I
a n tic ip a te
was one w it n e s s
r e q u e s t p e r m is s io n
c o u n s e l w is h
Y o u r H o n o r.
Y o u r H o n o r,
17
w o u ld
A n y t h in g
to
a —
in
I
to ld
th e
p a r tic u la r
th a t
h a v e S p e c ia l A g e n t B a lb o
I
e x p e c t to
h e a r fr o m
th a t
to d a y .
21
THE COURT:
T h is m o r n in g o r
22
MR. BELLA:
T h is m o r n in g ,
23
w it n e s s .
24
w it n e s s ,
25
A g e n t B a lb o h a s p a r t i c u l a r
th is
a fte rn o o n ?
p r o b a b ly a f t e r
S p e c ia l A g e n t May h a d n o t h in g
I
d o n 't t h in k
he's
to
th e
next
do w i t h
th is
e v e n m e t th e w i t n e s s .
k n o w le d g e
c o n c e r n in g
th e
S p e c ia l

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w it n e s s .
2
THE COURT:
3
MR. McGRATH:
4
MR. T R U IT T :
5
MR. JACKSON:
6
THE COURT:
7
S p e c ia l A g e n t May f o r
8
9
A n y o b je c t i o n s ?
10
No o b j e c t i o n .
t h a t w it n e s s
V e ry w e ll.
th a t I
THE COURT:
11
No o b j e c t i o n .
You may s u b s t i t u t e
MR. BELLA:
r e q u e s tin g
No o b j e c t i o n .
THE COURT:
13
a b o u t b e f o r e we c a l l
back.
The C o u r t 's
one a s s i s t a n t .
A n y t h in g
th e
ta k e n .)
c o u n s e l w is h
ju r y
14
MR. T R U IT T :
15
MR. McGRATH:
16
THE COURT
C a l l th e
17
MR. BELLA:
Y o u r H o n o r,
18
THE COURT
M r.
N o t h in g ,
to
a d d re s s
th e
C o u rt
down?
Y o u r H o n o r.
N o.
ju r y .
B e lla ,
I 'm
—
y o u 'r e
g o in g
to
have to
speak
fa s te r.
20
MR. BELLA:
21
p e r m is s io n
22
w it n e s s e s
23
b r in g
24
is
25
f lip - f lo p
fo r
one a s s i s t a n t ?
( T h e r e was a r e c e s s
12
19
and th e n
Y o u r H o n o r.
j u s t h a v e th e
Y es,
S p e c ia l A g e n t B a lb o
to
s it
S p e c ia l A g e n t K a re n P e r t u s o h a s
in
on th e
as p a r t o f th e
th a t to
th e
t e s t im o n y o f th e
a u d ie n c e .
a tte n tio n
o f th e
I
to ld
re q u e s te d
n e x t tw o
her
I w o u ld
C o u r t a n d se e i f
th e re
any o b je c tio n .
THE COURT;
A n y b o d y g o in g
to
u s e h e r a g a in ?
H o w e v e r,

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1
M r.
B e lla ,
in
th e
2
w o u ld be p r e c lu d e d
3
U n le s s
MR. McGRATH:
5
MR. BELLA;
6
MR. T R U IT T ;
may o b j e c t ,
9
MR. T R U IT T ;
th e
THE COURT;
16
s itu a tio n
17
t h o u g h t came i n ,
th e
need t o .
th e
need i s .
We
I
h a v e no o b j e c t i o n .
h a v e no o b j e c t i o n .
I
h a v e no o b j e c t i o n ,
She c a n ' t come b a c k ,
I
o n ly p o in t o u t,
t h a t 's
b u t I w o n 't w a iv e
but I
h a v e no
th e re
MR. BELLA;
T h a t 'S
19
THE COURT;
I
c o u rt,
to
a d d re s s
th e
THE COURT;
23
M r.
M r.
is
B e lla ,
y o u do i t
t h a t th e r e
was no f o u n d a t io n
a t your
is
a
th a t you
la id .
r ig h t.
h a v e no p r o b le m w i t h
h e r b e in g
in
th e
but —
MR. BELLA;
21
s a y in g
a lr e a d y o c c u r r e d w h e re an e x h i b i t
18
25
h e r.
see a n y r e a s o n .
W hat t h e y ' r e
own r i s k .
24
o n ly d a n g e r.
—
15
22
to
th e
o b je c t io n .
14
20
ju s t
d o n 't a n t ic ip a t e
I
MR. McGRATH;
12
it
t h a t 's
D epends on how c r i t i c a l
MR. JACKSON;
10
d o n 't
h e r,
th e n y o u
we may n o t .
MR. McGRATH;
13
I
I
8
11
fr o m u s in g
c o u n s e l w is h t o w a iv e
4
7
e v e n t t h a t y o u n e e d h e r a g a in ,
P e rh a p s t h a t ' s
I
h a v e n o t h in g
fu rth e r
C o u rt.
C a l l th e
—
MR. BELLA:
—
N o.
ju r y .
Is
th is
w h e re M r. May a n d

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THE COURT:
2
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O kay.
701
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N e x t one?
(T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d i n t o
and th e t r i a l was re su m e d i n
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
3
4
THE COURT:
5
You may be s e a te d .
th e c o u rtro o m ,
open c o u r t ,
C a ll y o u r n e x t
w it n e s s .
6
MR. BELLA:
R o b e rt P e rtu s o ,
7
THE COURT:
M r.
8
ta k e
9
th e
s ta n d ,
you r e a liz e
THE WITNESS:
10
P e rtu s o ,
THE COURT:
Y es,
Y o u r H o n o r.
w o u ld y o u k i n d l y
y o u 'r e
s till
come a n d
u n d e r o a th .
s ir .
C o u n s e l,
do a n y o f y o u w is h
th e
o a th
to
r e s u b m it t e d ?
11
12
MR. T R U IT T :
13
MR. McGRATH:
14
MR. BE LLA :
N o,
15
THE COURT:
P le a s e be s e a te d ,
16
speak d i r e c t l y
17
e v e ry b o d y in
N o, Y o u r H o n o r.
N o, Y o u r H o n o r.
in to
th e
Y o u r H o n o r.
th e m ic r o p h o n e
c o u r tr o o m
p u ll y o u r c h a ir u p ,
lo u d
e n o u g h so t h a t
may h e a r .
ROBERT PERTUSO
18
re s u m e d t h e s t a n d , h a v in g b e e n p r e v i o u s l y d u l y s w o rn t o
t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h a n d n o t h in g b u t t h e
t r u t h , was e x a m in e d and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r a s f o l l o w s ;
19
20
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
21
22
23.
Q
W o u ld y o u S t a t e
24
A
R o b e rt P e rtu s o .
25
Q
A nd y o u 'r e
y o u r nam e, p le a s e ?
a s p e c ia l a g e n t w it h
th e
F B I?
be

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2
Q
PERTUSO -
DIRECT
Y e s.
S p e c ia l A g e n t P e r tu s o ,
I b e lie v e y o u 'v e a lr e a d y t e s t i f i e d
3
a b o u t some o f y o u r w o rk i n
4
in v e s tig a tio n
5
D id yo u a ls o have o t h e r a c t i v i t i e s
6
in v e s tig a tio n ?
7
A
8
Q
9
Y e s,
c o n n e c tio n w i t h
w ith
In p a r t ic u la r ,
d ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n t o
12
Q
And d id yo u p r e p a re a lo g d e t a i l i n g
13
A
Y es,
S eptem b er
2,
1990;
th a t
I d id .
MR. BELLA;
15
THE COURT:
16
NR. BELLA:
Q
y o u r s u r v e illa n c e ?
I d id .
14
If
I may a p p ro a c h th e w it n e s s .
Hand yo u w h a t 's been m arked f o r p u rp o s e s o f i d e n t i f i c a t i o n
as G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t 71 and ask i f
19
t h a t , p le a s e ?
A
Y e s,
th is
w h ic h
th e
22
A g e n t K a re n P e r tu s o , my w i f e ,
24
r e s u lts
i s an FD-302
21
Q
yo u can i d e n t i f y
I p r e p a re d w h ic h s u m m a riz e s
o f th e s u r v e i l l a n c e
we — m y s e lf and S p e c ia l
d id on S eptem b er 2 ,
1990.
And do es t h a t a c c u r a t e ly d e t a i l th e e x a c t tim e s and th e
exact
A
Y o u r H o n o r?
Youmay.
18
25
th a t
day?
Y e s,
23
re g a r d t o
c o n d u c t some s u r v e i l l a n c e
A
20
o r g a n iz a tio n .
I d id .
11
17
th e
o f th e Edw ards d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g
d id yo u have o c c a s io n t o
10
702
Y e s,
t h in g s t h a t
it
does.
you o b s e rv e d
on t h a t day?

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PERTUSO -
703
DIRECT
Thank y o u .
2
Y o u r H o n o r,
I w o u ld move t o a d m it G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t
4
THE COURT:
A ny o b je c t io n ?
5
MR. MCGRATH;
6
MR. BELLA;
I t 'S
7
THE COURT;
Show i t
8
MR. MCGRATH;
9
THE COURT:
3
71.
10
11
I t 's
a d m itte d ?
a m o tio n t o
to
a d m it.
c o u n s e l.
May we a p p ro a c h ?
You may.
(B ench d is c u s s io n on th e
MR. McGRATH:
th is ,
I t 'S
n o t yo u r in te n tio n
12
memory w i t h
13
re c o rd e d as a c o n te m p o ra ry —
14
MR. BELLA:
15
MR. McGRATH;
y o u 'r e
s u b m it t in g
Yes, t h a t 's
W e ll,
w hat i t
17
m a te r ia l th e re
as p a s t r e c o l l e c t i o n
is .
18
except fo r th a t.
19
MR. TR U ITT:
20
th e n he c a n 't t e s t i f y .
21
a c tiv itie s ,
and t h a t t h e r e
t h a t he c a n ' t r e f r e s h
W ith t h i s
If
th e n we d o n 't
h is
e x h ib it i t
h e 's
is
so much
r e c o lle c tio n
s p e a ks f o r
g o in g t o
t e s t if y
its e lf,
a b o u t h is
need —
22
MR. McGRATH:
T h e re
a re a l o t
23
MR. JACKSON;
W e ll, i t
a ls o
24
s ta t e m e n ts , Y o u r H o n o r.
A ll
r e fr e s h h is
why d o n 't y o u have h im s a y t h a t he
do es n o t in d e p e n d e n tly r e c a l l ,
MR. BELLA:
it
to
c o n te m p o ra n e o u s r e c o r d in g ?
16
25
re c o rd .)
r ig h t.
t h in g s
c o n t a in s
I 'll
in
t h e r e , D an.
h e a rs a y
have h im t e s t i f y
as t o

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i t .
1
PERTUSO -
.
2
THE COURT;
W ith d ra w ?
3
MR. BELLA;
I 'll
w ith d r a w i t
5
THE COURT;
6
MR. BELLA;
p o in t,
R e q u e s t w ith d r a w n .
7
S p e c ia l A g e n t P e r tu s o ,
8
y o u n o te d th e p r e c is e
9
t h in g s
yes.
.
do y o u have — y o u i n d ic a t e d
th is
11
Y e s.
12
th e t im e s ,
13
s u r v e illa n c e .
14
8 ;3 0 ,
15
when we f i n i s h e d .
th a t
tim e s and d a te s and th e p r e c is e
t h a t yo u o b s e rv e d on t h a t d a te ,
10
is
th a t c o rre c t,
in
re p o rt?
I have in d e p e n d e n t r e c o l l e c t i o n
t h a t I knew i t
o f th e s u r v e i l l a n c e ,
was a b o u t a 4 0 -m in u te
Some o f th e e x a c t tim e s on h e re b e tw e e n th e
p .m . when we s t a r t e d
and th e a p p r o x im a te ly 9 :3 0
A fe w o f th e tim e s I d o n 't have a n y in d e p e n d e n t
16
17
r e c o lle c tio n
18
seq uen ce o f th e e v e n ts and —
19
fro m my own r e c o l l e c t i o n .
20
A ll
21
te s t if y
r ig h t.
22
A
T h a t 's
23
Q
Then i f
25
a t th is
(End o f d is c u s s io n a t th e b e n c h .)
4
24
704
DIRECT
You w o u ld need t o
I
to
th is .
B u t th e
can c e r t a i n l y
t e s t if y
to
r e f e r t o y o u r n o te s t o
as t o e x a c t tim e s ?
c o rre c t.
yo u w o u ld , p le a s e do s o .
I 'm
n o te s ,
o f w it h o u t r e f e r r i n g
a s k in g th e w it n e s s .
h is p a s t r e c o lle c t io n
Y o u r H o n o r,
re c o rd e d .
to
r e fe r to
h is

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1
THE
2
MR. MCGRATH;
3
COURT; A ny
v o ir d ir e .
4
THE
o b je c t io n ?
If
COURT; You
I c o u ld j u s t make tw o q u e s tio n s on
may.
VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION
BY
MR. Mc Gr a t h ;
6
Q
T h a t s e r ie s
o f n o te s i n y o u r 302 w ere d i c t a t e d
8
o f S eptem b er o f 1 9 9 0 , w h ic h i s
9
s u r v e illa n c e ,
10
A
T h a t 's
11
Q
And th e n
12
A
C o rre c t.
13
is
I have o b j e c t i o n
16
MR. TRUITT;
17
MR. JACKSON;
18
THE
19
MR. BELLA;
23
Q
it
b e in g e n te r e d as
COURT; D a v is .
N o th in g , no o b j e c t i o n .
No o b j e c t i o n .
COURT; You
may.
Were th e s e n o te s made c o n te m p o ra n e o u s ly w i t h y o u r
o b s e r v a t io n s and th e n re d u c e d t o
A
to
th e h e a rs a y r u l e .
THE
22
th e
i t was t r a n s c r ib e d on th e 1 7 th ?
15
21
th
c o rre c t.
an e x c e p tio n t o
Q
tw o d a ys a f t e r
on th e
th a t c o rre c t?
MR. McGRATH;
14
20
705
DIRECT
Y o u r H onor?
5
7
PERTUSO -
ty p e w r itte n
fo rm l a t e r ?
Y e s.
D ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n
to
S eptem ber 2 o f 1 9 9 0 ; can y o u t e l l
24
us w h a t y o u o b s e rv e d d u r in g th e c o u rs e o f y o u r
25
s u r v e illa n c e ,
g iv in g
th e e x a c t tim e s and th e e v e n ts t h a t

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706
DIRECT
1
y o u o b s e rv e d and t e l l us w h a t y o u d id
2
w e n t and w h a t you o b s e rv e d ?
3
A t — on S eptem ber 2 d u r in g th e e v e n in g ,
4
when m y s e lf and S p e c ia l A g e n t K a re n P e rtu s o a r r i v e d
5
G ove rnm ent v e h i c le
6
and 1 -9 4 and C lin e Avenue i n
We to o k
7
we a w a ite d
th e
9
w e re g o in g
to
was 8 :3 6 p .m .
a r r iv a l
a r r iv e
in
th e
p a r k in g
o f v a r io u s
lo t
s u b je c t s who we b e l i e v e d
b e c a u s e o f th e w i r e t a p .
Illin o is
I o b s e rv e d a l a t e
Dodge Ram t r u c k b e a r in g
12
was r e g i s t e r e d t o R o b e rt B u r r e l l a t h i s G le n w o o d ,
13
a d d re s s , a r r i v e
r e g is tr a tio n
m odel
677EH w h ic h
Illin o is ,
a t th e D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t.
A f t e r he p u l le d
15
d r iv e r 's
16
c o m p a n io n , a b la c k
17
a ls o e x i t th e v e h i c le
18
R e s ta u r a n t.
in ,
I o b s e rv e d h im g e t o u t o f th e
s id e o f th e v e h i c le
fe m a le —
and I
o b s e rv e d a woman
I d id n o t know who she was —
and th e y b o th w e n t i n t o
D e n n y 's
T h a t was a t 8 :5 0 .
A c o u p le m in u te s l a t e r
19
our
o f D e n n y 's a n d
11
14
in
Hammond.
A t a p p r o x im a te ly 8 :5 0 p .m .,
10
it
t o D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t lo c a t e d a t 1 -8 0
a p o s it io n
8
t h a t d a y , w h e re y o u
th e y w e n t i n
a t 8 :5 2 p .m .,
and th e y s a t a t th e
th e y w e re s t i l l
20
—
21
la te r
22
c o u n te r a re a and go t o
23
p a r t o f th e
24
When y o u o b s e rv e d M r. B u r r e l l g e t up fro m th e c o u n te r a re a
25
a t 8 :5 4 p . m . , was t h a t i t ?
a t 8 :5 4 p .m .
c o u n te r.
Two m in u te s
I o b s e rv e d M r. B u r r e l l g e t up fro m th e
th e
s o u th — w a lk t o
th e
s o u th e a s t
re s ta u ra n t.

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Q
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8 :5 4 p .m .,
3
th e s o u th e a s t c o r n e r o f
4
a re a ?
M r. B u r r e l l g e ts up
and w a lk s
th e
th e c o u n te r
5
A
Y e s.
6
Q
C o u ld y o u o b s e rv e w he re —
7
o f th e
I
707
DIRECT
r e s t a u r a n t fro m
w h a t was i n
th e
s o u th e a s t c o r n e r
r e s t a u r a n t a t t h a t tim e ?
8
A
N o,
9
Q
B u t y o u do know
c o u ld n o t .
10
and w e n t t o
11
t im e ,
t h a t he g o t
up and l e f t
th e c o r n e r o f th e
th e c o u n te r a re a
r e s t a u r a n t a t t h a t p r e c is e
8 :5 4 ?
12
A
Y e s, and th e n he r e t u r n e d .
13
Q
And how lo n g a f t e r
14
A
Two m in u te s , 8 :5 6 p .m .
15
Q
P le a s e c o n tin u e
16
A
A t 9 :0 1 p . m . ,
t h a t d id he r e t u r n ?
R e tu rn e d and s a t dow n.
w i t h y o u r te s tim o n y ?
a fe w m in u te s l a t e r ,
I o b s e rv e d a l a t e
17
F o rd t r u c k w h ic h I had p r e v i o u s ly o b s e rv e d b e f o r e ,
18
In d ia n a lic e n s e
19
r e g is te r e d
t o a Lee E d w a rd s , a r r i v e
MR. JACKSON:
21
no f o u n d a t io n f o r t h i s
22
o w n e rs h ip o f th e v e h i c l e .
b e a r in g
Y o u r H o n o r,
I 'll
w i t n e s s 's
—
o b je c t.
THE COURT:
R esponse.
24
MR. BELLA:
The w itn e s s has t e s t i f i e d
t o M r. E d w a rd s .
T h e re has been
k n o w le d g e as t o
23
was r e g i s t e r e d
m o del
53322Q w h ic h I knew a t th e tim e was
20
25
to
If
th e
t h a t he knew i t
c o u n s e l w a n ts t o
c ro s s

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6
7
8
9
10
11
708
DIRECT
exa m ine h im on th e b a s is o f t h a t —
THE COURT:
3
4
PERTUSO -
A p p ro a c h .
(B e n c h d is c u s s i o n
THE COURT:
t h e r e 's
C o u n s e l,
is
th is
an e x c e p tio n and y o u 'r e
MR. BELLA:
r e g is tr a tio n
on th e
n o t h e a rs a y u n le s s
g o in g u n d e r an e x c e p t io n .
H is te s t im o n y w o u ld be t h a t he c h e c k e d th e
and th r o u g h th e —
MR. JACKSON:
o b je c tio n y e t .
I
We h a v e n 't g o t t e n t h a t f a r
th in k
it 's
come l a t e r when he t e s t i f i e s
MR. BELLA:
in
th e f o u n d a t io n .
th a t
H e a rs a y w o u ld
how he knew .
H is te s t im o n y w o u ld be t h a t he to o k th e
12
r e g is tr a tio n
13
w h ic h i n d ic a t e s
14
THE COURT:
15
t h a t — how he knew?
th r o u g h th e
th e
IDACS w h ic h i s
r e g is tr a tio n s
F ir s t o f a l l ,
to
w h a t fo u n d a t io n
MR. JACKSON:
T h e r e 's none a t t h i s
17
MR. McGRATH:
B u t we can r e s o lv e
18
s a y in g now, b u t a n t i c i p a t i n g
19
we d o n 't have t o
THE COURT:
th e c o m p u te r s y s te m
th e m o to r v e h i c l e s .
16
20
re c o rd .)
p o in t.
it,
th a t t h a t 's
is
th e re
Y o u r H o n o r.
know w h a t h e 's
w hat h e 'l l
s a y so
come b a ck u p .
A re yo u g o in g u n d e r 8 0 3 ( 6 ) ,
21
r e g u la r ly
c o n d u c te d a c t i v i t y ?
22
o r d a ta o f c o m p ila t io n
23
c o n d itio n s ,
o p in io n s ,
in
re c o rd s o f
A memorandum,
an y fo rm o f a c t s ,
re p o rt,
re c o rd
e v e n ts ,
d ia g n o s e s made a t o r n e a r th e t im e .
24
MR. McGRATH;
P u b lic
re c o r d s
25
MR. JACKSON:
The p ro b le m i s
I
th in k .
th e a b i l i t y
to
c ro s s

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exa m ine th e v e r a c i t y o f t h a t r e p o r t and t h e r e f o r e
2
com pete nce o f —
THE COURT:
3
C o u n s e l,
th e
4
is
5
r e c o r d s t h a t a re t r u s t w o r t h y .
t h a t y o u can have t r u s t w o r t h i n e s s .
6
MR. MCGRATH:
7
MR. BELLA:
8
re a s o n f o r
th e
th e h e a rs a y r u le
T h e r e 's c e r t a i n
8 0 3 (6 ).
Y o u r H o n o r, t h e r e 's
t h a t he c h e cke d w i t h as t o
th e
a d a ta c o m p ila t io n
r e g is tr a tio n
o f th e v e h i c l e .
9
THE COURT:
And yo u can l a y t h a t f o u n d a t io n w i t h h im .
10
MR. BELLA:
Y es,
11
THE COURT:
R e g u la r ly re c o rd e d b u s in e s s ,
13
MR. BELLA:
Y e s , Y o u r H o n o r.
14
THE COURT:
I t 'S
12
15
I can ask w h a t w i t h
IDACS.
th e y r e l y
on
it?
u s u a l l y g iv e a l l
16
MR. BELLA:
17
MR. JACKSON:
e n te r e d s im u lta n e o u s o r t h a t th e y
t h a t i n f o r m a t io n
to
th is
d a ta b a n k .
Y e s, Y o u r H o n o r.
I
gu ess my o b j e c t i o n
is
o v e r r u le d t h e n .
(End o f d is c u s s io n a t th e b e n c h .)
18
19
THE COURT:
20
MR. BELLA:
S u s ta in e d u n t i l
fo u n d a t io n
21
How d id y o u —- how d id y o u d e te rm in e
22
th is
23
We had a lr e a d y been up on th e w ir e t a p
24
and i n
25
W6 knew a l l
th e
is
la id .
r e g is tr a tio n
of
m o to r v e h ic le ?
th e p l a n t ,
in
f o r a c o u p le o f w eeks
th e w ir e t a p p l a n t we had s u r v e i l l e d
th e v e h ic le s
o f M r. E d w a rd s .
—

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Q
You had s u r v e i l l e d
th e s e v e h ic le s
2
A
Y es.
3
Q
And d id you e v e r have o c c a s io n t o
c o m p u te r sy s te m as to
4
5
A
Y e s.
6
Q
And p r e v i o u s ly ,
7
A
C a llin g
th e
N o t on t h a t d a te ,
in to
8
o p e ra to r in
9
te le p h o n e .
b e fo re ?
ch e ck w i t h
r e g is tr a tio n
o f th e v e h ic le ?
b u t p r e v i o u s ly .
how d id you go a b o u t c h e c k in g t h a t ?
o u r c o m p u te r o p e r a to r i n
I n d ia n a p o lis
Q
W hat k in d o f d a ta bank th a t?
11
A
I t 's
th e
IDACS,
th e —
e i t h e r on th e
10
c a lle d
an y ty p e o f
th e NCIC
r a d io
c o m p u te r r e c o r d s .
o r by
And i t ' s
b a s i c a l l y y o u r In d ia n a B u re a u o f M o to r V e h ic le s
12
r e c o r d s and
13
14
Q
And how a re th o s e — a re th o s e
m o to r v e h ic le s
15
16
A
Y es.
17
Q
And th e
19
A
Y es.
20
Q
And th e
th e
21
re c o rd s
A
Yes .
23
Q
And t h a t ' s
th e
r e g is tr a tio n
A
Y es.
r e g is t e r e d ?
c o n te m p o ra n e o u s ly t o
c e n te r a c c u r a t e ly
r e g is tr a tio n s
22
24
t h a t a re p r e p a r e d as
i n f o r m a t io n when m o to r v e h ic le s
t h a t t r a n s m it t e d
18
25
a re
re c o rd s
a re
th is
s to re s
r e g is te r e d ,
is
r e c o r d c e n te r ?
th e d a ta
r e g a r d in g
o f th e s e m o to r v e h ic le s ?
re c o rd
c e n te r you ch e c k e d w i t h
o f th e v e h ic le ?
r e g a r d in g
th e

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Q
A nd w hen y o u c h e c k e d w i t h
2
r e g a r d in g
3
th e
4
A
th e
r e g is t r a t io n
Of th a t —
th e v e h ic le
t h a t e v e n in g ,
6
was r e g i s t e r e d
7
I n d ia n a .
Q
w it h
th a t
o f th e m o to r v e h i c l e ,
t o Lee A . E dw ards a t 206 T a f t P la c e
G a ry ,
to — you t e s t i f i e d
11
tw o m in u te s l a t e r a t 8 :4 5 p .m . he r e t u r n s
12
a re a and has a s e a t .
13
is
when yo u o b s e rv e d t h i s
14
is
it?
s o u th e a s t c o r n e r o f th e
Then f i v e
tru c k
p u ll in to
A
Yes,
16
Q
O kay?
17
A
W h ic h w as a d ja c e n t t o
18
Q
And w h a t ha ppened th e n ?
19
A
T h a t was a t 9 :0 1 t h a t th e v e h i c le
it
id e n tify
23
v e h ic le .
It
25
h is
to
th e c o u n te r
a t 9 :0 1 p .m .
th e p a r k in g l o t ,
Bob E va n s R e s t a u r a n t .
D e n n y 's R e s t a u r a n t .
d ro v e i n t o
th e p a r k in g
was o c c u p ie d b y tw o p e o p le .
A t t h a t p o i n t w hen t h e y p u l l e d
22
t h a t on
r e s t a u r a n t and
m in u te s l a t e r
15
lo t;
a t th e
in
M r. B u r r e l l g o t up fro m th e c o u n te r
a r e a , w e n t t o th e
24
w h a t was
53322Q
W hat — d ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n
21
c e n te r
th e F o rd t r u c k b e a r in g In d ia n a lic e n s e
10
20
re c o rd
— th e v e h ic le w h ic h I o b s e rv e d on
8 :5 4 p . m . , M r. B u r r e l l ,
9
—
r e s u lt ?
5
8
th e
711
DIRECT
—
I
c o u ld n 't
w a s n 't u n t i l
fe m a le
—
id e n tify
w e ll,
c o m p a n io n w e re
in ,
we c o u l d n ' t
who was i n s i d e
th a t
a t 9 :0 7 R o b e r t B u r r e l l
s till
s e a te d
in
th e
D e n n y 's
and

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R e s ta u r a n t,
2
—
6
The ta n F o rd t r u c k ,
t h a t 's
th e —
th a t
Jim m ie E d w a rd s .
th e one yo u t e s t i f i e d
about
p r e v io u s ly ?
7
A
Y e s.
8
Q
R e g is t e r e d t o
9
A
Y e s.
10
Q
O kay.
11
Lee Edw ards?
So a t 9 :1 4 p .m . you o b s e rv e d J im m ie E dw ards e x i t th e
d r iv e r 's
s id e o f th e t r u c k ,
12
A
T h a t 's
13
Q
And th e n w h a t happens?
14
A
is
th a t r ig h t?
c o rre c t.
A t t h a t tim e
I o b s e rv e d h im w a lk fro m th e Bob E vans p a r k in g
15
l o t w he re he was p a rk e d ,
16
w h e re M r. B u r r e l l was p a rk e d .
17
p . m . , a m in u te l a t e r ,
18
came o u t o f th e D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t.
19
I
saw t h e
fe m a le
o ve r to
th e D e n n y 's p a r k in g
And a t t h a t p o i n t
M r. B u r r e l l and h i s
c o m p a n io n w a lk
20
t r u c k w h ic h h e 'd g o t t e n o u t o f .
21
B u r r e l l and Jim m ie E dw ards m eet i n
22
p a r k in g l o t .
23
Q
24
A
25
id e n tifie d
i n d i v i d u a l as Lee E d w a rd s ' b r o t h e r ,
Q
th e
t h a t was m arked a t Bob E v a n s .
And a t t h a t tim e t h a t p o i n t I
4
5
and th e n a t 9 :1 4 p .m . an i n d i v i d u a l e x i t e d
th e ta n F o rd t r u c k
3
712
DIRECT
in to
fe m a le
M r.
lo t
a t 9 :1 5
c o m p a n io n
B u r r e ll's
And th e n I o b s e rv e d M r.
th e D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t
W hat happened th e n ?
A t — M r. B u r r e l l and Jim m ie E dw ards w a lk e d b a ck
—
th e
F o rd t r u c k t h a t J im m ie
E d w a rd s was d r i v i n g ,
t o J im m ie
and

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1
.iJimmie Edw ards opened up — a t 9 :1 8 he opened up th e
2
d r iv e r 's
3
o p e n , and M r. B u r r e l l was s ta n d in g t h e r e .
4
s id e d o o r ,
and he g o t i n
And a t 9 :1 9 p . m . ,
a m in u te l a t e r ,
th e d o o r
I o b s e rv e d M r.
Edw ards hand s o m e th in g t o M r. B u r r e l l .
5
6
Q
And th e n w h a t happened?
7
A
W e ll,
a t th a t p o in t a b o u t — w e ll,
8
J im m ie Edw ards and h is
9
th e Bob Evans p a r k in g l o t ,
and h i s
10
11
and he l e f t
Q
a t 9 :2 0 p . m . ,
— th e p a s s e n g e r i n
E d w a rd s ,
h is v e h ic le
and a m in u te l a t e r M r. B u r r e l l
fe m a le com pan ion a ls o l e f t
th e p a r k in g l o t .
So a f t e r Jim m ie Edw ards and R o b e rt B u r r e l l m et i n
th e
12
p a r k in g l o t and y o u saw some ty p e o f exch a n g e a t t h a t
13
p o in t,
th e b o th o f them l e f t
r ig h t.
14
A
T h a t 's
15
Q
A n d th e n w h a t h a p p e n e d ?
16
A
We l e t
—
I
17
n o rth
18
and h is
19
a h e a d o f me.
20
d id n 't
on C li n e
f o llo w
Avenue.
So a t 9 :2 7 , w h ic h i s
21
p a r k in g
22
one o f M r. E d w a rd s ' —
23
th e t r u c k was t h e r e ,
24
25
lo t,
I
M r.
And I
m a le c o m p a n io n i n
th e
th e p a r k in g l o t ?
B u r r e ll.
I
o b s e r v e d h im go
d id n 't
fo llo w
tru c k ;
I
le t
J im m ie E d w a rd s
th e m g o ,
a fe w m in u te s a f t e r
get
th e y l e f t
th e
s p o t c h e c k e d th e 1522 T a f t S t r e e t r e s id e n c e ,
Lee E d w a rd s '
r e s id e n c e s t o
he had r e t u r n e d .
T h re e m in u te s l a t e r a t 9 :3 0 p .m .
E dw ards d r i v i n g
le ft
th e t r u c k
see i f
And he w a s n 't .
I o b s e rv e d J im m ie
e a s t on 1 5 th S t r e e t and th e n

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tu r n e d
2
S tre e t.
3
o f th e t r u c k .
r i g h t on T a f t S t r e e t and th e n s to p a t 1522 T a f t
He p u l le d up i n
A t t h a t tim e
4
714
DIRECT
f r o n t and a m ale p a s s e n g e r g o t o u t
I o b s e rv e d t h a t th e m ale p a s s e n g e r who
5
was now w i t h h im was d i f f e r e n t th a n th e one t h a t had
6
a cco m p a n ie d h im t o
7
e a r lie r .
8
a fte r
9
And w h e re d id
And I
th e Bob Evans R e s ta u r a n t a h a l f h o u r
te r m in a te d th e s u r v e i l l a n c e
th a t.
th e — d id yo u o b s e rv e w he re th e p a s s e n g e r
10
w e n t t o when he g o t o u t o f th e tr u c k ?
11
W ent t o —
in to
1522 T a f t S t r e e t in s i d e
12
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u ,
13
THE COURT:
C ro s s D a v is .
14
MR. T R U IT T :
15
THE COURT:
16
MR. McGRATH:
17
THE COURT:
18
MR. JACKSON:
19
THE COURT:
20
THE WITNESS:
N o t h in g ,
s ir ,
th e
r e s id e n c e .
I have n o t h in g
fu rth e r.
Y o u r H o n o r.
C ro s s D u r r .
N o th in g ,
Y o u r H o n o r.
C ro s s E d w a rd s .
N o th in g ,
Y o u r H o n o r.
You may s te p dow n, th a n k y o u f o r c o m in g .
Thank y o u .
(The w itn e s s was e x c u s e d .)
21
22
THE COURT:
23
MR. McGRATH:
24
THE COURT:
25
a m in u te o r tw o
C a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s .
May we a p p ro a c h ?
You m ay.
(B en ch d is c u s s io n on th e
re c o rd .)

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THE COURT:
1
2
is
g o in g
to
G e n tle m e n ,
4
th e
5
C o u r t w a n ts t o
7
MR. McGRATH:
it
tr ia l.
up t o
__ j
g iv e
MR. BELLA:
g o in g
d o n ' t know i f
lu n c h
to
be
th e
a n d th e n h a v e a —
th a t?
MR. McGRATH:
14
I
15
th a t —
to
w hoever c a lls
My p r im a r y c o n c e r n
13
w it n e s s
e a r ly
W e ll,
w e 'r e
c o n tin u o u s
r a t h e r th a n t o
18
a re c e s s u n t i l
to
I 'm
not
have th e
to d a y .
s till
g o in g
o r a n y t h in g ,
W hat h e 's
THE COURT:
c o u n s e l?
th e w i t n e s s .
is
c o m p le te d
d o n ' t m in d a s h o r t lu n c h
17
s a y in g i s
to
I 'm
h ave lu n c h .
ju s t
s a y in g
y o u can ta k e
it
go now u n t i l tw e lv e o ' c l o c k ,
ta k e
1 :3 0 in s t e a d o f 1 1 :3 0 .
19
MR. McGRATH:
20
THE COURT:
The t i m e 's
21
MR. BE LLA :
I
25
is
B e c a u s e we h a v e a s h o r t d a y t o d a y ,
p re fe re n c e
t e s t im o n y o f t h i s
24
I
W h a t's y o u r p r e f e r e n c e ,
12
23
th e
Do y o u p r e f e r
THE COURT:
11
22
n e x t w it n e s s
lu n c h a n d —
9
16
th is
o f th e
ta k e
THE COURT:
10
Judge,
l o n g e s t w it n e s s
6
8
d o n ' t know how lo n g my v o ic e
h o ld u p .
MR. McGRATH:
3
I
I t 'S
a lu n c h
tim e
n o t g o in g
u n d e r s ta n d
th a t.
—
to
be a n y d i f f e r e n t .
We a r e
s t o p p in g
at
In
I
3 :3 0 s h a rp to d a y ?
I 'v e
THE COURT:
r e a lly w ant to
g o t to
s to p a t 3 :3 0 .
s to p a t 3 :1 5 , b u t I
MR. McGRATH:
If
to ld
fa c t,
yo u 3 :3 0 .
we c o u ld s to p a t 3 :1 5 ,
t h a t w o u ld be

Page 82 716
1
e x tr e m e ly t i m e l y .
My o t h e r c a r i s
2
r e s p o n s ib le
3
e x t r a m in u te s , b u t i t ' s
in
f o r p ic k i n g up my w i f e .
th e s h o p ,
She can w a i t f i f t e e n
a 4 5 -m in u te d r iv e
4
THE COURT;
How a b o u t th r e e
5
MR. BELLA:
I have no p ro b le m w i t h
6
w ant to
fin is h
8
c o u n s e l.
9
yo u w a n t t o
I 'll
th a t,
I 'm
do you w a n t t o
How lo n g lu n c h b re a k ?
11
THE COURT:
I a lw a y s g iv e
no r e s t a u r a n t s
an h o u r and a h a l f ,
W hich w o u ld have us s t a r t i n g
14
THE COURT;
One o 'c l o c k .
15
MR. Mc Gr a t h ;
I t 's
g o in g t o be an h o u r and a h a l f
THE COURT:
I d o n 't f e e l t h a t I
18
s h o r t e r th a n t h a t ,
19
some p e o p le t h a t a re C a t h o l i c ,
20
p la c e
24
25
up a t —
e i t h e r w ay.
17
23
t h e r e 's
c lo s e b y .
MR. BELLA;
22
ju s t
s t a r t now, do
13
21
I
s t a r t a fte r?
MR. BELLA;
16
—
accom m odate y o u ,
10
12
g e t h e r.
w itn e s s to d a y .
do e v e r y t h in g t o
W hat do you p r e f e r ,
to
o 'c lo c k ?
th e t e s t im o n y o f t h i s
THE COURT:
7
I 'm
to
e a t fis h ,
MR. JACKSON;
can c u t them any
e s p e c i a l l y on F r id a y b e ca u se i f
t h e y 'v e
g o t to
so t h a t even n a rro w s th e
lo o k
y o u ha ve
fo r
some
re s ta u ra n ts .
P lu s y o u 'v e a lr e a d y p ro m is e d them an
h o u r and a h a l f .
MR. BELLA:
c o n c e rn i s
I have no p ro b le m w i t h
th a t.
My o n ly
th e —
THE COURT;
W e ll,
c o u n s e l,
if
I
fin d
t h a t we do n o t

Page 83 717
1
fin is h
2
fe e t,
b y 3 :3 0 ,
I 'll
it 's
be cause c o u n s e l a re d r a g g in g y o u r
l e t yo u go beyond 3 :3 0 .
3
MR. BELLA:
L e t 's
4
THE COURT:
I 'll
is
b re a k
try
fin is h e d .
to
5
w it n e s s
6
3 :1 5 , w e ' l l
ju s t c a ll
7
w it n e s s e s .
Do y o u w a n t t o
MR. BELLA:
8
fo r
a cco m m o d a te t o
And i f
it
T h a t 'S
lu n c h .
you f in is h
a day ra th e r
ta k e
THE COURT:
10
a t th re e
th a n
to
o 'c lo c k
ta k e
o th e r
fin e .
a t th e
L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n ,
b e n c h .)
th e c o u n s e l have
11
a d v is e d me t h a t th e n e x t w itn e s s w i l l be a lo n g w it n e s s .
12
R a th e r th a n t o
13
b re a k f o r lu n c h ,
14
now.
15
to
ta k e t e s t im o n y f o r a h a l f an h o u r ,
Remember t h e
b e fo re ;
18
p e r m it anyone to
19
It
20
case u n t i l
is
a d m o n it io n
do n o t d is c u s s
W it h
it
is
th a t,
th is
d is c u s s
y o u r d u ty n o t t o
r ig h t
it
t h a t th e
C o u rt gave you
c a s e among y o u r s e l v e s ,
w it h
you o r
in
do n o t
y o u r p re s e n c e .
fo rm o r e x p re s s a n y o p in io n on t h i s
f in a lly
s u b m itte d t o y o u .
e n jo y y o u r lu n c h .
I 'm
g o in g
to
go g e t some
cough s y ru p .
(The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d fro m th e c o u r tr o o m ,
and th e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d ,
r e p o r te d as f o l l o w s . )
23
24
25
g iv e yo u a lu n c h b re a k
And in s t e a d o f h a v in g yo u come b a c k 1 :3 0 , y o u ' l l have
17
22
g o in g t o
th e n
come b a ck a t one o 'c l o c k .
16
21
I 'm
or
a b r e a k now?
(E n d o f d is c u s s i o n
9
see t h a t t h e
THE COURT;
A n y th in g c o u n s e l w is h t o
a d d re s s th e C o u r t

Page 84 718
1
a b o u t b e f o r e we b r e a k
fo r
lu n c h ?
2
MR. JACKSON:
N o, Y o u r H o n o r.
3
MR. MCGRATH:
N o.
4
THE COURT:
5
som ebody may w a n t t o
6
s u re
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
M r.
t h e y w e re t u r n e d
MR. BELLA:
B e lla ,
ju s t
check a l l
o u t o f a g a in
o f th e s e
c a u tio n ,
h e a d p h o n e s a n d make
o ff.
Y e s , Y o u r H o n o r.
( A t 1 1 :3 0 p .m . th e t r i a l was r e c e s s e d , t o
re c o n v e n e a t 1 :0 0 p .m . i n t h e a f t e r n o o n o f
th e same d a y . )

Page 85 IN THE UNITED STATES D IS T R IC T COURT
NORTHERN D IS T R IC T OF IN D IA N A
HAMMOND D IV IS IO N
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
P la in tiff,
NO. HCR 9 2 -1 1 3
vs.
LEE ANDREW EDWARDS,
JAMES D A V IS , a / k / a James
J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L it t l e
J a m e s , a n d LYNETTA P . DURR
D e fe n d a n ts .
T r i a l i n th e above e n t i t l e d cause was re c o n v e n e d
b e f o r e th e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a id C o u r t, and a
j u r y , a t th e F e d e r a l B u i l d i n g , 507 S ta te S t r e e t , Hammond,
I n d ia n a , on th e 1 2 th d a y o f M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , com m encing a t th e h o u r
o f 1 :1 5 p .m .
APPEARANCES:
MR. DANIEL L . BELLA,
A s s i s t a n t U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y ,
1001 M a in S t r e e t , S u ite A ,
D y e r, In d ia n a 46311
on b e h a lf o f th e G o v e rn m e n t;
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S . D IS T R IC T COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, IN D IA N A 46320

Page 86 APPEARANCES ( C o n t 'd )
MR. BENJAMIN S . JACKSON,
442 N o r t h C a lu m e t, S u it e 2 0 0 ,
C h e s t e r t o n , I n d ia n a 46304
on b e h a l f o f d e fe n d a n t Lee A n d re w E d w a rd s ;
MR. ROBERT T R U IT T ,
55 S o u th F r a n k l i n S t r e e t ,
V a l p a r a i s o , I n d ia n a 4 6 383 ,
on b e h a l f o f d e fe n d a n t Jam es D a v is ;
MR. JOHN MCGRATH,
1108 W e s t 1 3 3 rd A v e n u e ,
C edar L a k e , In d ia n a 4 6 303 ,
on b e h a l f o f d e fe n d a n t L y n e t t a
D e fe n d a n ts P r e s e n t i n
P. D u rr;
P e rs o n
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U . S . D IS T R IC T COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, IN D IA N A 46320

Page 87 721
( C o u r t re c o n v e n e d a t 1 :1 5 p .m . w i t h o u t th e
j u r y p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . )
1
2
THE COURT:
3
4
M r. May, do you know w here M r. B e l l a ' s
w h e re a b o u ts a re ?
MR. MAY:
5
L a s t I knew , he was down a t th e DEA and I
6
j u s t c a l l e d down th e r e
7
im a g in e h e 's on h i s way up
THE COURT:
8
9
C o u n s e l,
12
13
14
15
16
17
w ill
re a d i t
see i f
You m ig h t w a n t t o
th e y know .
ju r y
a n o te and I
to you .
"Can yo u t e l l us an a p p ro x im a te d a y when we w i l l
fin is h ?
E m p lo y e rs a re a s k in g . "
MR. BELLA:
Y o u r H o n o r,
I a n tic ip a te
w e 'll
e v id e n c e Monday and p r o b a b ly have c lo s in g s
THE COURT;
on y o u ,
it 's
D e fe n d a n ts .
I t 's
fin is h
T u e sd a y m o r n in g .
n o t b i n d in g ,
y o u know ,
j u s t an a p p r o x im a tio n .
MR. JACKSON:
19
MR. TR U ITT:
20
MR. JACKSON;
21
THE COURT;
T u e s d a y , Y o u r H o n o r.
Tuesday.
A g re e d .
F in is h
e v id e n c e o r g iv e
it
to
th e
ju r y
T uesday?
23
MR. McGRATH;
24
THE COURT:
25
W ould y o u , p le a s e .
I have r e c e iv e d fro m th e
18
22
So I
Do you w a n t me t o —
ch e ck down a t th e m a in g a te ,
10
11
and th e y s a id he w a s n 't t h e r e .
a g re e a b le t o
G iv e i t
W hat I 'm
c o u n s e l,
is
to
th e
g o in g t o
ju r y .
te ll
th e m ,
if
it 's
t h a t we e x p e c t t o have th e ca se

Page 88 722
1
g iv e n
2
day e a r lie r ,
3
t h e y 'r e
4
to
th e
ju r y
on T u e s d a y .
b u t Tuesday is
h a v e a ls o
p r o b le m s h e a r in g
6
o r yo u have y o u r b a cks to
7
t h a t yo u r a is e
8
w it n e s s e s
9
th e
you t r y
12
13
to
to
W it h
speak v e r y
we c a l l
speaks s o f t l y
is
th e re
th e
ju r y ?
is
and i t
th e
15
MR. JACKSON:
N o,
16
MR. McGRATH:
N o, Y o u r H o n o r.
17
THE COURT:
THE COURT:
21
I
22
q u e s t io n s
23
r e c e iv e d
24
to
25
f in is h e d .
some
so t h a t
e ls e
t h a t we n e e d c o v e r
N o, Y o u r H o n o r.
C a ll
Y o u r H o n o r.
th e
ju r y .
You may be s e a te d .
h a v e b e e n a d v is e d
t h a t a c o u p le
a n d some com m ents
a n o te
you
becom es a c o n t e s t as
(T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d i n t o
a n d th e t r i a l was re su m e d i n
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
20
ta lk in g
up.
a n y t h in g
L a d ie s
th e
fr o m one o f y o u i n d i c a t i n g
know a p p r o x im a t e ly when t h i s
th e c o u rtro o m ,
open c o u r t ,
a n d g e n t le m e n ,
o f you have
r e g a r d in g
h a v in g
p e r s o n s d o in g
You h a v e be c o n s c ie n t i o u s
MR. BELLA:
19
t h a t th e y a re
a te n d e n c y w i t h
and th e n
14
18
ju r y
I w o u ld s u g g e s t t o
T h e re
s o ftly
k e e p y o u r v o ic e s
th a t,
b y th e
th e m .
y o u r v o ic e s .
who c a n s p e a k s o f t e r .
b e fo re
T h a t w ay
some c o u n s e l b e c a u s e e i t h e r y o u 'r e
in t e r r o g a tio n
1
1
th e b e s t g u e s s t im a t e .
been t o l d
5
to
may go a d a y l o n g e r o r a
n o t u p s e t e i t h e r w ay h o p e f u l l y .
I
10
It
some
case.
A nd I
t h a t y o u w a n te d
c a s e was e x p e c te d
to
be

Page 89 723
If
1
you r e c a ll o r ig i n a l l y
2
c a s e was e x p e c te d t o
3
on T u e s d a y w i t h
4
e x p e c t in g
5
th e
6
o r a day e a r lie r ,
7
c o m p le te
s a fe
s id e ,
th e
p ic k in g
case to
I w ill
h a r d tim e
o f th e
ju r y
backs to
11
I 'l l
te ll
12
speak up h ig h e r .
th e
you.
g e t on t h e i r
you th a t
it
m ig h t go a d a y o v e r
e x p e c te d d a te
If
th a t o c c u rs ,
r a is e
b a c k s and g e t th e m t o
I 'm
happy to
o ve r h e re ,
la d ie s
do t h a t
15
T h a t 's
because th e y w a n t to
16
n o t to
ta lk
17
r e p o r t e r d o e s n 't know when t o
18
t h e y 'r e
o ve r th e re ,
19
t h e y 'r e
s a y in g a n d I w o n 't do a n y t h in g
o u t lo u d
B u t a s id e
goes f o r
th e m t o
W it h
24
MR. B E LLA:
E d w a rd s .
tu rn
fo r
ta lk
p r iv a t e ly
w r it e
it
ju r y .
y o u 'll
th e
and I
w h is p e r b e c a u s e
r a is e
a n y w it n e s s ,
th e
aw ay fr o m
down.
th e y d o n 't w a n t you to
th e re ,
th a t,
M r.
B e lla ,
see
bench.
te ll
th e
th e m
c o u rt
So w hen
hear w hat
about th a t.
yo u r hand.
A nd t h e
l e t me know an d I ' l l
try
same
to
c a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s .
Y o u r H o n o r,
a
a ro u n d o r
speak u p .
23
25
fr o m
t h e y ' l l w a lk
o r n o t to
h a v in g
up y o u r h a n d ,
an d g e n tle m e n ,
th e m h u d d le
22
to
s o m e tim e s w hen t h e y t u r n
14
th in g
a re
To be on
com m ented t h a t y o u 'r e
a tto rn e y s
S o m e tim e s t h o u g h ,
21
and we s t i l l
be c o n c lu d e d on T u e s d a y .
b u t r i g h t now th e
h e a r in g
th e ir
20
We s t a r t e d
c a s e w o u ld be T u e s d a y .
10
13
ha d a d v is e d y o u t h a t t h e
a p p r o x im a t e ly a w e e k .
Some o f y o u h a v e a ls o
8
9
th is
th e
ta k e
I
th e
n e x t w it n e s s
is
J im m ie
get

Page 90 J.
THE COURT:
1
speak d i r e c t l y
2
EDWARDS -
P le a s e be s e a te d ,
in to
p u l l y o u r c h a ir u p ,
th e m ic r o p h o n e .
3
You may p r o c e e d ,
4
MR. BELLA:
c o u n s e l.
Thank y o u .
Y o u r H o n o r.
JIM M IE EDWARDS
5
c a l l e d a s a w it n e s s b y th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y
s w o rn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h a n d n o t h in g
b u t t h e t r u t h , was e x a m in e d and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s :
6
7
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
.
8
9
10
Q
W o u ld y o u s t a t e
11
A
J im m ie E d w a rd s .
12
Q
How do y o u s p e l l y o u r f i r s t
13
A
J -I-M -M -I-E .
14
Q
M r.
15
A
Yes,
16
Q
A n d how a r e y o u
17
A
My b r o t h e r .
18
Q
M r.
E d w a rd s ,
I
y o u r nam e, p le a s e ?
a re you
nam e,
r e la t e d
to
s ir ?
Lee E d w a rd s ?
am.
E d w a rd s ,
or
so,
r e la t e d ?
o v e r th e y e a r s ,
19
y e a rs
20
o f in c o m e came fro m ?
a re you —
21
A
Yes.
22
Q
A nd w h a t i s
23
A
He owned a b u s in e s s
th a t,
e s p e c ia lly
o v e r th e
do y o u know w h e re L e e 's
Q
A nd w h a t was h i s
la s t dozen
m a in s o u r c e
s ir ?
and —
a liq u o r
b u s in e s s
s a le s .
24
25
724
DIRECT
p r im a r y
s o u rc e
of
in c o m e ?
and d ru g

Page 91 J.
EDWARDS -
725
DIRECT
1
A
D ru g s a le s .
2
Q
D id Lee s e l l d ru g s a lo n e o r d id he have p e o p le a s s i s t i n g
3
h im i n
th a t a c tiv ity ?
4
A
He had p e o p le a s s i s t i n g .
5
Q
D id yo u become in v o lv e d
6
A
Y e s,
7
Q
When d id y o u f i r s t become in v o lv e d
8
A
I
9
Q
How i s
10
A
B ecause i t
11
12
h is
d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g
fir s t
became
it
th a t
tim e
was
in
th a t?
in v o lv e d T h a n k s g iv in g D ay, 1 9 8 4 .
y o u remember t h a t d a te so c l e a r l y ?
T h a n k s g iv in g Day and be ca u se t h a t was th e
I e v e r g o t in v o lv e d
in
th e s e l l i n g
And as L e e 's b r o t h e r and as h e lp in g h im i n
13
a c tiv ity ?
I d id .
fir s t
Q
in
d id y o u become f a m i l i a r w i t h
o f d ru g s .
h is
th o s e d ru g s e l l i n g
d r u g s a le s ,
a c tiv itie s ?
14
A
Y e s, I d i d .
15
Q
And d i d y o u become f a m i l i a r w i t h w he re th e d ru g s w e re s o ld
16
o u t o f?
17
A
Y e s, s i r .
18
Q
And d id y o u become f a m i l i a r w i t h who w o rk e d f o r Lee?
19
A
Y e s.
20
Q
And d id y o u a ls o become f a m i l i a r w i t h w h a t p r o p e r t i e s
21
owned?
22
A
Y es, s i r .
23
Q
When was th e l a s t tim e t h a t Lee h e ld a j o b ,
24
25
Lee
a r e g u la r
jo b
w h e re he w o u ld go and e a rn wages?
A
I
th in k
it
was a t R e p u b lic S t e e l I
th in k .
When o r w h e re ?

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1
Q
W e ll, y o u 'v e an sw e re d w here I t h i n k .
2
A
M i d - '7 0 's .
3
Q
S in c e t h a t tim e
in
726
DIRECT
th e m i d - '7 0 's ,
When was t h a t ?
he h a s n 't w o rk e d
somewhere w he re he e a rn e d a r e g u la r wage?
4
5
A
No, n o t t h a t I know o f .
6
Q
I n O c to b e r o f 1 9 9 0 , w here was Lee l i v i n g ?
7
A
460 T a f t P la c e i n G a ry , and 1 5 th and T a f t S t r e e t i n G a ry .
8
Q
Has Lee s ta y e d i n
one p la c e o v e r th e y e a rs o r has he had
s e v e r a l p la c e s ?
9
10
A
H e 's had s e v e r a l p la c e s .
11
Q
Now, when y o u t a l k
about th is
460 T a f t P la c e and a ls o 1 5 th
12
and T a f t S t r e e t , why tw o p la c e s ?
13
th e s e tw o re s id e n c e s ?
14
A
W e ll, he owned b o th o f th e m .
w h ile
15
and th e n l i v e
16
Q
Go b a ck and f o r t h ?
17
A
Y e s.
18
Q
Now, J im m ie ,
in
s ta r tin g
in
th e m i d - '8 0 's ,
m id - 8 0 's ,
20
t h a t d ru g s w ere s o ld o u t o f?
A
He w o u ld l i v e
in
one f o r a
th e o t h e r f o r a w h i l e .
19
21
W hat w o u ld he do w i t h
s ta r tin g
w ith
can y o u t e l l us a b o u t th e p la c e s t h a t Lee had
W e ll, d u r in g my in v o lv e m e n t i n
th e m id - - 8 0 's ,
t h e r e was a
22
p la c e on 1 0 th and Taney S t r e e t w h ic h was my d e b u t i n
23
b u s in e s s .
24
25
th e
And fro m th e r e we w e n t fro m t h e r e
S t r e e t on th e t h i r d
flo o r ,
to
th e
th and M a ry la n d
and th e n fro m t h e r e
to
365

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P ie r c e
S tre e t.
2
M a r y la n d b u t on th e
EDWARDS -
A nd fr o m
th e re
1 0 th A ve n u e ,
5
M ille r ,
6
Do y o u r e c a l l w h e re Lee —
I
a c o u p le
Y o u r H o n o r,
ju s t
9
c a p a c ity ,
I 'v e
10
e s t a b lis h
s o m e th in g on v o i r
o f v o ir
d ir e
n o tic e d
THE COURT:
and
th and K e n tu c k y , W est
may I
5854 C o u rt o u t i n
a c o u p le
cadence t h a t
s u g g e s ts
15
m e d ic a t i o n .
I 'm
16
w o n d e r in g
h e 's
17
m e d ic a t i o n .
18
ju r y .
19
w a lk in g
20
so s lo w .
I 'l l
in ,
w it h in
th e
23
a c tin g
lik e
24
te s tify in g
on
c o n c e r n in g h i s
o f th in g s .
h e 's
a w a re t h a t he i s
I
ju s t w ant to
re c o rd .)
s p e a k in g
in
a —
on some k i n d
on d i s a b i l i t y
maybe o u t o f th e
maybe h e 's
ju s t
in ju r e d ,
Y o u r H o n o r,
la s t h a lf h o u r,
I
th in k
on t h i s
I
h e a r in g
an o d d
of
a n d I 'm
p r e s e n t l y m e d ic a te d and t e s t i f y i n g
j u s t make a r e c o r d
th a t.
on t h e
t h a t maybe h e 's
ju s t —
MR. BE LLA :
22
w it n e s s
d ir e .
Y o u r H o n o r,
14
I
th is
C o u n s e l.
MR. MCGRATH:
if
ta k e
q u e s t io n s
(B e n c h d i s c u s s i o n
12
13
th
th and D e la w a re .
8
11
back to
f o r g e t th e e x a c t a d d re s s .
MR. Mc Gr a t h !
7
25
—
basem ent f l o o r .
4
21
to
And 1 6 th and J a c k s o n S t r e e t ,
3
727
DIRECT
under
o f th e
b e c a u s e he came
b u t he came w a l k i n g
have ta lk e d
w it h
t h e w it n e s s
a n d he h a s n o t b e e n c o n s i s t e n t l y
h e 's
ju s t
s c a re d .
H e 's
a g a in s t —
MR. McGRATH:
in
He may be on s o m e th in g b e c a u s e he i s

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1
s c a re d .
2
3
I
ju s t w ant to
THE COURT:
in
f r o n t o f th e
ju r y ,
MR. Mc Gr a t h :
5
THE COURT:
w h e re
7
it 's
t h a t th e
9
and I
10
have t h i s
done
to
we a s k t h a t ,
I
j u s t d o n ' t know
I
mean i f
go.
I
m ean,
b ro th e r
if
th e
C o u rt,
you say
s p e e c h , w h a t I w o u ld c o n s id e r
is
th is
h is
s lo w ,
s p e e c h a n d he i n d i c a t e d
no.
MR. BE LLA :
11
12
w eek a n d h e 's
13
v o ic e .
14
he seems j u s t
15
I
I
have ta lk e d
ta lk e d
in
fin e
to
know he i s
h is
17
m em bers i n
18
h is
b ro th e r,
h e 's
th e
a c tiv it ie s
19
I
ta lk e d w it h
16
t h a t th e
21
I 'm
22
have to
23
down.
24
But I
w it h
h im to d a y b e f o r e
th e
la s t
of
he came u p h e r e
and
v e ry
c o n c e rn e d a b o u t t e s t i f y i n g
c o n c e r n e d a b o u t h a v in g
A nd h e 's
o th e r
a g a in s t
f a m ily
c o n c e r n e d a b o u t new s o f
c o m in g o u t .
C o u n s e l,
n o t g o in g t o
I
u n d e r s ta n d
do i t
in
th in k
to
MR. McGRATH:
to
V e ry w e ll.
but I
th is
ju r y ,
o u t.
I 'm
and t h e n b r i n g
t h a t e v e ry b o d y i s
have l im it e d
th a t,
fin d
f r o n t o f th e
s e n d th e m u p r e a l q u ic k
am g o in g
in
me.
d e fe n d a n ts h a v e a r i g h t
But I
th e w it n e s s
a n o r m a l c o n v e r s a t i o n a l to n e
c o u rtro o m .
THE COURT:
20
25
r e lu c t a n t to
se n d th e m u p s t a i r s .
cadence o f h is
asked h is
728
A b s o lu te ly .
MR. McGRATH:
8
I 'm
B ecause i f
g o in g
DIRECT
ask.
C o u n s e l,
4
6
EDWARDS -
v o ir
e n title d
d ir e .
th in k
A g a in
g o in g
to
th e m b a c k
to
know t h i s .

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THE COURT:
2
s h o rt
a v e ry
4
th re e
5
Remember th e
6
n o t d is c u s s
7
anyone to
8
y o u r d u ty n o t to
9
u n til
it
fo llo w
10
r e c e s s and I
d o n 't t h in k
so d o n ' t g e t t o o
a d m o n it io n
th is
b e n c h .)
t h a t th e
i t 'l l
c o m f o r t a b le
it
w it h
fo r m
f in a lly
you o r
o r e x p re s s
s u b m it t e d
to
g o in g
to
ta k e
be o v e r tw o o r
u p s ta ir s .
C o u r t g a ve y o u b e f o r e ;
c a s e among y o u r s e l v e s ,
d is c u s s
is
a t th e
L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n , w e 'r e
3
m in u t e s ,
729
VOIR DIRE
(E n d o f d is c u s s i o n
1
in
do n o t p e r m i t
y o u r p re s e n c e .
a n y o p in i o n
you.
do
W it h
It
on t h i s
th a t,
is
case
w o u ld y o u
th e M a r s h a l u p s t a i r s .
(T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d fr o m t h e c o u r t r o o m ,
and th e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d ,
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
11
12
THE COURT:
13
You may be s e a t e d .
y o u some l i m i t e d
14
v o ir
M r.
M c G ra th ,
I 'l l
g iv e
d ir e .
VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION
BY
MR. MCGRATH:
15
16
17
EDWARDS -
Q
M r.
E d w a rd s , my name i s
18
L y n e tta
D u rr.
19
p o in t e d
q u e s t io n s .
You a r e
20
21
A
Y es.
22
Q
A nd y o u 'r e
23
A
I 'm
24
Q
O kay.
25
A
Yes.
I 'm
J o h n M c G ra th ,
g o in g
to
on some fo r m
d is a b l e d
I
re p re s e n t d e fe n d a n t
a s k y o u a c o u p le v e r y q u ic k
o f d is a b ility ,
is
how?
a d ia b e t ic .
A re y o u r e q u i r e d
to
ta k e
m e d ic a t io n ?
and
th a t c o rre c t?

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1
Q
And w h a t m e d ic a tio n
2
A
M ic ro n a s e .
3
Q
And do y o u
4
ta k e
730
EDWARDS - VOIR DIRE
a re yo u
r e q u ir e d t o
any o t h e r m e d ic a tio n
ta k e ?
o f any
— e ith e r
p r e s c r ib e d o r n o n - p r e s c r ib e d ?
5
A
6
Q
No, s i r .
Y o u r spe ech p a t t e r n and y o u r w a lk in g
in
7
room and a ls o
seems s lo w .
8
— how a re y o u u n d e r — a re y o u on an y d is c o m f o r t o r i s
9
y o u r d ia b e te s
in
N o, s i r ,
n o t.
10
A
11
12
it's
j u s t w a lk in g
Q
in
a n s w e rin g q u e s tio n s
an y way a f f e c t i n g
in to
It's
D id y o u ta k e a n y t h in g a t a l l
a n y t h in g i n o r d e r t o
14
to d a y ?
A
N o, s i r ,
MR. McGRATH:
17
THE COURT:
18
MR. TR U ITT:
19
MR. JACKSON:
20
MR. BELLA:
in
th e way o f m e d ic a tio n o r
to o k .
I have no f u r t h e r q u e s t io n s .
A ny f u r t h e r q u e s tio n s ?
No q u e s t io n s .
Y o u r H o n o r.
No q u e s t io n s .
No q u e s t io n s .
o b s e r v a t io n .
22
e x a m in a tio n th e w it n e s s 's
23
th in k .
25
yo u to d a y ?
c a lm y o u r n e rv e s o r t o do a n y t h in g
21
24
th a t
guess maybe th e tra u m a o f
o t h e r th a n tw o N u p r in I
16
Is
th is
th e c o u r t .
13
15
ju s t I
co m in g i n t o
Y o u r H o n o r.
I
Y o u r H o n o r.
I w o u ld l i k e
th in k
d u r in g
th is
t o make an
v o ir d ir e
spe ech has been v e r y n o rm a l I
And —
THE COURT:
j u r y dow n.
That is
so n o te d b y th e C o u r t.
C a l l th e

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(The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d i n t o
and th e t r i a l was resum ed i n
r e p o r te d as f o l l o w s ; )
2
3
THE COURT;
4
You may be s e a te d .
MR. BELLA:
M r. B e l l a ,
Q
M r. E d w a rd s,
I n o t ic e d when you w a lk e d i n ,
o f s lo w and y o u 'r e
8
d i f f i c u l t th in g
A
10
Y es,
s p e a k in g k in d o f s lo w ,
f o r yo u t o
it 's d iffic u lt.
s i t u a t i o n and i t ' s
11
THE COURT:
I t 's
th e
som ewhat d i f f i c u l t ,
M r. E d w a rd s,
I 'm
e v e ry b o d y be a b le t o h e a r w h a t y o u 'r e
14
spe ak a l i t t l e
speak up b e cause i t ' s
16
t h a t te n d e n c y t h a t
17
s o fte r.
MR. BELLA;
20
T h is
is
e v e ry b o d y s t a r t s
A
Y e s.
22
Q
O ka y.
a
been i n
th is
s ir .
ask y o u , y o u 'r e
im p o r t a n t t h a t
s a y in g .
So can y o u
same b e c a u s e t h e r e ' s
s p e a k in g s o f t e r and
Y e s , Y o u r H o n o r.
d iffic u lt
fo r you.
A re you p r e p a re d t o
and t e l l us w h a t y o u know a b o u t t h i s
21
th is
k in d
b i t lo u d e r .
M r. B e l l a , w o u ld y o u a ls o do th e
Q
yes,
g o in g t o
13
18
is
f i r s t tim e I ' v e
g o in g t o have t o
15
yo u came i n
do?
12
19
y o u may
Thank y o u . Y our H o n o r.
7
9
th e c o u r tr o o m ,
open c o u r t ,
c o n t in u e .
5
6
731
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go ahead
o r g a n iz a tio n
th o u g h ?
Y o u 'v e m e n tio n e d s e v e r a l a d d re s s e s o u t o f w h ic h
23
d ru g s w e re s o ld o v e r th e s e y e a r s .
24
back to
25
liv in g
1985 I
th e n ?
th in k
it
D ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n
w as, do y o u r e c a l l w h e re Lee was

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T a f t P la c e ,
1
A
Y e s.
2
Q
In
3
A
Y es.
4
Q
O kay.
5
A
W e ll, he l i v e d w i t h my p a r e n ts
460 T a f t P la c e .
1985?
B e fo re t h a t ,
w here d id he l i v e ?
6
d i f f e r e n t a p a rtm e n ts i n
7
n ie c e s
f o r a w h ile
th e c i t y .
Q
Do yo u r e c a l l w here t h a t was?
9
A
T h a t was i n
L iv e d w i t h
G a ry on 5 th and B uchanan S t r e e t f o r a s h o r t
Q
Now, y o u 'v e d e t a i l e d — y o u r e la t e d
th e s e a d d re s s e s o v e r
12
th e y e a r s ;
13
now .
14
a d d re s s e s o r w h a t p r o p e r t i e s has Lee owned?
A
L ik e
In
I w a n t t o d ra w y o u r a t t e n t i o n
th e
la s t —
I m e n tio n e d ,
in
on 460 T a f t P la c e and 1 5 th and T a f t
S tre e t.
He owned —
17
b u ild in g
on 5 th and G r a n t.
18
and V i r g i n i a
19
yes.
Q
I
th in k
You i n d ic a t e d
t o m ore r e c e n t
th e l a s t c o u p le o f y e a r s , w h a t
16
20
one o f my
p e r io d o f t im e .
10
15
and he had
f o r a w h ile .
8
11
732
EDWARDS - DIRECT
fro m w h a t I know he owned an a p a rtm e n t
He r e n te d o u t a house on 7 th
S t r e e t t h a t he ow ned, 7 th — 7 t h and V i r g i n i a ,
it 's
750 I
th in k .
t h a t M r. —
t h a t Lee d i d n ' t do t h i s
a lo n e ;
d id he have p e o p le w o r k in g w i t h h im o v e r th e y e a rs ?
21
22
A
Y e s,
t h e r e was s e v e r a l d i f f e r e n t p e o p le .
23
Q
And s t a r t i n g
a g a in w i t h
th e m id - 8 0 's ,
24
was w o r k in g f o r h im i n
s e llin g
25
th e s e v a r io u s lo c a t io n s ?
can y o u t e l l u s who
d ru g s o v e r th e s e y e a r s a t

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A
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Oh, when I g o t in v o lv e d
it
was m y s e lf ,
a g e n tle m a n b y th e
2
name o f A l M o o re , and a g e n tle m a n by th e name o f T o l l y
3
E sg u e , g e n tle m a n b y th e name o f C le v e la n d ,
4
W e s le y I t h i n k
5
la d y b y th e name o f C h e ry l o r L a C h e r y l,
6
name i s
7
name o f Ron L a s i t e r ,
8
Q
t h a t 's
h is name, C le v e W e s le y , and a yo u n g
B u r r — o r D u rr I
A fte r th a t i n i t i a l
th in k .
I
th in k
her la s t
And a y o u n g man b y th e
and th e r e was o t h e r s as tim e w e n t o n .
t im e ,
f o r Lee when y o u s t a r t e d
9
I d o n 't —
th e s e a re p e o p le t h a t w e re w o r k in g
in
'8 5 o r
'8 4 ?
10
A
Y es.
11
Q
And th e n was t h e r e a ls o a p la c e on M a r s h a ll S t r e e t t h a t he
had?
12
13
A
P a rd o n me?
14
Q
Was t h e r e a ls o a p la c e on M a r s h a ll S t r e e t ?
15
A
Y e s,
16
Q
T e l l us a b o u t —
17
A
D i f f e r e n t a d d re s s e s th o u g h .
18
Q
T e l l us a b o u t th o s e ?
19
A
W e ll,
t h e r e was a c o u p le p la c e s .
one o f them was on 2nd and M a r s h a ll,
was a house t h a t m y s e lf and my e x - w if e
235 M a r s h a ll.
20
It
21
ow ned; i t
22
b e fo re
23
e v e n tu a lly
24
And th e n t h e r e was a p la c e on 1 3 th and M a r s h a ll t h a t he
25
o p e r a te d o u t o f .
was a d u p le x .
We r e n te d i t
I g o t in v o lv e d w i t h
it
a t one tim e
o u t to Lee.
T h is was
th e s a le s o f d ru g s and
was to r c h e d b y —
som ebody s e t i t
on f i r e .

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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF INDIANA HAMMOND D IV IS IO N UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, P la in tiff, vs. NO. HCR 9 2 -1 1 3 LEE ANDREW EDWARDS, JAMES DAVIS, a / k / a James J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L i t t l e Jam es, and LYNETTA P. DURR D e fe n d a n ts . % T r i a l i n th e above e n t i t l e d cause was resum ed b e fo r e th e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a id C o u r t, and a j u r y , a t th e F e d e r a l B u i l d i n g , 507 S ta te S t r e e t , Hammond, I n d ia n a , on th e 1 2 th d a y o f M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , com m encing a t th e h o u r o f 8 :4 5 a .m . APPEARANCES: MR. DANIEL L . BELLA, A s s i s t a n t U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y , 1001 M a in S t r e e t , S u it e A , D y e r, In d ia n a 46311 on b e h a lf o f th e G o v e rn m e n t; Us, VOLUME 5 A o^ DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O FFIC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. DISTRICT COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

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APPEARANCES ( C o n t'd ) MR. BENJAMIN S. JACKSON, 442 N o r th C a lu m e t, S u ite 2 0 0 , C h e s te r to n , In d ia n a 46304 on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t Lee A ndrew E d w a rd s ; MR. ROBERT TRUITT, 55 S o u th F r a n k lin S t r e e t , V a lp a r a is o , In d ia n a 46383, on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t James D a v is ; MR. JOHN MCGRATH, 1108 W est 1 3 3 rd A ve n u e , C edar L a k e , In d ia n a 46 303 , on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t L y n e t t a P. D u r r ; D e fe n d a n ts P re s e n t i n P e rs o n DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O FFIC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. DISTRICT COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

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637 ( C o u r t opened a t 8 :4 5 a .m . w it h o u t th e p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . ) 1 ju r y 2 3 THE COURT: 4 ta p e s i t u a t i o n 5 a ro u n d ? Good m o rn in g , g e n tle m e n . and t r a n s c r i p t s i t u a t i o n Do we have th e s t r a ig h t e n e d 6 MR. BELLA: Y e s, Y our H o n o r. 7 THE COURT: A n y th in g c o u n s e l w a n t t o a d d re s s th e C o u r t 8 a b o u t b e fo r e I c a l l th e j u r y down? MR. TRUITT: N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. 10 MR. MCGRATH: N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. 1 1 MR. JACKSON: No, Y o u r H o n o r. 12 THE COURT; 9 C a ll th e j u r y . M r. May, I d i d n ' t le a v e my 13 t r a n s c r i p t so I d o n 't know w here y o u 'r e 14 you w ant to p u t a paper c l i p 15 16 y o u 'r e 18 20 THE COURT; M r. B e l l a , 22 MR. BELLA: 24 25 Do s ta n d , u n d e r o a th . Good m o rn in g , l a d ie s th e c o u r tr o o m , open c o u r t , and g e n tle m e n . may be s e a te d . 21 23 th e w itn e s s (The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d i n t o and th e t r i a l was resum ed i n r e p o r te d as f o l l o w s : ) 17 19 s till s ta rt. o r s o m e th in g on m ine and — M r. G u y to n , yo u can come b a ck t o you r e a liz e g o in g t o yo u may c o n t in u e . Thank y o u . Y o u r H o n o r. You

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638 GUYTON - DIRECT BRETT L . GUYTON 1 resum ed th e s ta n d , h a v in g b e e n . p r e v io u s ly d u ly sw o rn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h in g b u t th e t r u t h , was e xa m ine d and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r as f o l l o w s ; 2 3 DIRECT EXAMINATION ( C o n t'd ) BY MR. BELLA: 4 5 6 Q M r. G uyton? 7 A Y e s, s i r . 8 Q You s t a r t e d 9 A Y e s, t e s t if y in g y o u 'r e 11 s till THE WITNESS: 13 MR. BELLA: Q I th a t c o rre c t? F o r th e r e c o r d , M r. G u y to n , y o u r e a l i z e u n d e r o a th . 12 14 is s ir . THE COURT: 10 y e s te rd a y , Y e s, t h i n k when we l e f t s ir . o f f y e s te r d a y I was a s k in g y o u a b o u t 15 h a l f a d ip o f w h it e and how much i t 16 is w as, and y o u s a id $ 1 7 5 , th a t r ig h t? 17 A Y e s, s ir . 18 Q And a dim e was how much? 19 A A mac o r tw o mac s p o o n s , M cD onald s p o o n s . 20 Q I 21 A Y e s, s i r . 22 Q And t h i s 23 A E i t h e r a t one o f th e tw o p la c e s , 24 Q W hat tw o ho u se s a re th e s e ? 25 A M r. Edw ards was s t a y in g on 4 th and T a f t P la c e , see. And t h a t w o u ld be $10? phone y o u w ere a n s w e rin g , w he re was t h a t a t? one o f th e tw o h o u s e s . and 1 5 th and

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639 GUYTON - DIRECT 1 T a ft. 2 Q And yo u w o u ld be a t e i t h e r house? 3 A Y e s, 4 Q And a n sw er th e phone a t e i t h e r house? 5 A Y e s, s ir . s ir . 6 MR. BELLA: I f we may c o n tin u e w i t h I th e n e x t 7 c o n v e r s a t io n . Y o u r H o n o r, t h i n k we have t h a t m a tte r 8 r e s o lv e d . And I m ig h t add t h a t th e — on some o f th e s e 9 ta p e s as I in d ic a t e d e a r l i e r , som etim e s t h e r e 's more th a n 10 one c o n v e r s a tio n on th e ta p e and maybe f o r c o n v e n ie n c e 11 sake. 12 s e r ie s o f c o n v e r s a tio n s a lo n g w i t h 13 if th e 14 15 I 'll have S p e c ia l A g e n t May go th r o u g h th e e n t i r e j u r y needs i n s t r u c t i o n s THE COURT: I d o n ' t know a g a in on th e s e . Why down y o u t u r n th e e a rp h o n e s on and p u t them o n . 16 Tim e o u t? 17 MR. MAY: J u s t t o make s u r e , we s h o u ld be s t a r t i n g 18 on th e t h i r d 19 s a ys t h i s 20 S h o u ld be th e t h i r d 21 tr a n s c r ip t, it now has a 302 on th e c o v e r t h a t c o n v e r s a tio n to o k p la c e on S e ptem b er 21 a t 1 0 :4 8 . t r a n s c r ip t in to th e p a c k a g e . And I b e lie v e w e 'r e g o in g t o p la y tw o c o n s e c u t iv e 22 fo llo w 23 th is 24 t h a t w o u ld f o l l o w 25 th e ta p e s . one a f t e r th e o t h e r so w e 'r e n o t g o in g t o c o n v e r s a t io n . THE COURT: W e 're g o in g t o it ru n i n t o th a t s to p a f t e r a se co n d one n a t u r a l l y on th e te le p h o n e . I b e lie v e t h a t 's th e n i n t h page i f y o u 'r e

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GUYTON - DIRECT 1 s ta r tin g fro m th e b e g in n in g . 2 d o n 't yo u r a is e y o u r h a n d , 3 a t th e When e v e r y b o d y 's t h e r e , why t h a t way I ' l l know e v e r y b o d y 's r i g h t p la c e . MR. MAY; 4 640 T h is i s s till E x h i b i t Number 4 8 . (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 4 8 , an a u d io ta p e r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 5 6 MR. BELLA: 7 8 Q M r. G u y to n , yo u h e a rd tw o ta p e s o f tw o c o n v e r s a tio n s On th e 9 fir s t one y o u w ere t a l k i n g 10 o r d e r in g some d ru g s and y o u t o l d 11 t o do i t ; who a re yo u r e f e r r i n g to a fe m a le who was h e r he s a id h e 's n o t g o in g to th e r e ? 12 A A g i r l named E la in e who I was t a l k i n g w i t h . 13 Q I see. And when yo u t o l d g o in g t o do i t , 14 E la in e t h a t he s a id h e 's n o t who a re yo u r e f e r r i n g 15 A M r. E d w a rd s. 16 Q Who w o u ld d e c id e if th e r e is to th e r e ? g o in g t o be a s a le o f d ru g s o r 17 n o t when th e s e d ru g c u s to m e rs w o u ld c a l l i n 18 o rd e r? and p la c e an 19 A M r. E d w a rd s. 20 Q And she a ls o c o m p la in e d a b o u t s t e p p in g on i t ; w h a t she was t a l k i n g 21 22 A Y e s, I g u ess s o . 23 hand and go t o 24 w ith 25 Q When i t le a v e s — do y o u know a b o u t th e r e ? W hat she was s a y in g was when i t som ebody e l s e 's it. th e re . le a v e h i s hand th e y p r o b a b ly m e s s in g

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GUYTON - DIRECT 641 1 A M r. E d w a rd s ' h a n d s . 2 Q And w h a t do you mean by g o in g t o 3 A W hoever he was — w h o e ve r — w ho e ve r e ls e hands he w o u ld 4 put i t in to to s e ll. somebody e l s e 's hands? . 5 Q And who w ere some o f th e s e p e o p le ? 6 A L ittle 7 Q A n yb o d y e ls e ? 8 A They sa y F la k e s t o o . 9 Q So L i t t l e 10 A They w o u ld come b y and see h im and I gu ess g e t p a c k a g e s 11 12 James t h a t we was s p e a k in g a b o u t. 13 s e ll. And w o u ld yo u see L i t t l e James and F la k e s come t o Lee t o g e t th e s e pa cka g e s? 14 A I have seen them th e r e b e f o r e . 15 Q In 16 t h a t case yo u gave o u t a phone nu m b e r; whose phone num ber was t h a t ? 17 A T h a t was L i t t l e 18 Q And was i t Jam es' phone n u m be r. — was i t a p r a c tic e 19 when Lee d i d n ' t w a n t t o 20 L ittle if you so m e tim e s engaged i n s e l l d ru g s t o send th e p e o p le t o James and F la k e s ? 21 A Y es, 22 Q If 23 A M r. E d w a rd s. 24 Q I 25 to o . James and F la k e s ; w h a t w ere th e y d o in g ? fro m h im t o Q F la k e s name was down th e r e he s a id s o . who s a id so? see. And th e n i n th e n e x t c o n v e r s a t io n , t h a t p e rs o n t o L i t t l e James as w e l l , is a g a in y d u s e n t th a t r ig h t?

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642 GUYTON - DIRECT 1 A Y e s, s ir . 2 MR. BELLA;Why d o n 't 3 MR. MAY: E x h i b i t Number 4 9 4 we go o n to th e n e x t one th e n . (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 4 9 , an a u d io ta p e r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 5 6 7 MR. BELLA: Q 8 M r. G u y to n , th e r e was a r e fe r e n c e to F o o ts t h e r e ; w h a t i s th a t? 9 A T h a t 's my n ic k n a m e . 10 Q So yo u so m e tim e s 11 A Y e s, 12 Q 13 A He had $ 5 0 . 14 Q And go b y th e n ic k n a m e F o o ts ? s ir . T h a t i n d i v i d u a l s a id he had 5 0 ; w h a t d id t h a t mean t o you ? he s a id w h a te v e r y o u can do on th e w h it e , when 15 a ske d h im w h a t he w a n te d , he s a id w h a te v e r y o u can 16 th e w h i t e ; w h a t does t h a t mean? 17 A 18 Q 19 T h a t mean th e w h it e A 21 Q do on h e r o in . And y o u a ls o made a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet a t a S h e ll S t a t i o n b e l ie v e , i s 20 you Y e s, I th a t r ig h t? s ir . W ould — when y o u w o u ld make a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet 22 som ew here, w o u ld y o u a lw a y s ta k e 23 so m e tim e s som ebody e ls e 24 A N o, n o t a l l 25 Q And th e tim e ta k e th e p a cka g e o u t o r w o u ld th e pa cka g e — I w o u ld n 't . w o u ld yo u s o m e tim e s make a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet som ewhere

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643 GUYTON - DIRECT and someone e ls e 1 ta k e a package o u t? 2 A Y e s, 3 Q Who w o u ld d e c id e who w o u ld ta k e th e p a ckage o u t? 4 A N r . E d w a rd s. 5 Q T h e re was some t a l k .A th e b a c k g ro u n d a b o u t a d im e ; w h a t i s Oh, a dim e i s $10. $10 w o r th o f w h a te v e r , y o u know , b o y o r g ir l. 8 9 in t h a t , w h a t does dim e mean t o you? 6 7 s ir . Q A ll r ig h t. 10 Why d o n 't we go on t o 11 MR. MAY: th e n e x t o n e . E x h i b i t 50. (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 5 0 , an a u d io ta p e r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 12 13 MR. BELLA: 14 15 Q M r. G u y to n , t h a t c u s to m e r who was c a l l i n g ; do y o u r e c a l l who t h a t was? 16 17 A Y e s, M ik e S u tto n . 18 Q He c a l l e d yo u and o r d e r e d a 2 0 , and w h a t do es t h a t mean t o you? 19 20 A He w a n te d a 20 o f w h it e h e r o in . 21 Q And a 20 o f w h it e h e r o in , 22 A Y e s, 23 Q $20 bag? 24 A Y e s, 25 Q And yo u s a id he a i n ' t up y e t ; who a re y o u r e f e r r i n g is t h a t $20 w o rth ? 20 — s ir . to ?

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644 GUYTON - DIRECT 1 A M r. E d w a rd s. 2 Q Now, when M r. E dw ards — when yo u s a id n o t u p , y o u mean he was s t i l l 3 in bed? 4 A Y e s, s ir . 5 Q When M r. Edw ards was s t i l l d ru g s w h ile 6 he was i n i n b e d , c o u ld yo u d i s t r i b u t e bed? 7 A N o, 8 Q And th e n y o u a ls o — M ike S u tto n who was c a l l i n g in , th a t i t and y o u 9 11 A w ill ta k e h im a w h ile t o g e t some re a d y , W hat d id T h a t mean he p r o b a b ly has some made u p , Q t h a t mean? some h e r o in made And w h a t he w o u ld make u p , when Lee E dw ards w o u ld make up th e h e r o in , w h a t w o u ld he have t o do t o make i t 14 15 A Take i t 16 Q And a f t e r 17 A Knock i t and p u t i n it up? th e b le n d e r and m ix i t . was m ix e d , w h a t w o u ld he do? o u t th e b le n d e r and p u t i n w h a te v e r he had i n 18 on a s a u c e r o r p l a t e , f r o n t o f h im t h a t he w o u ld p u t i t 19 Q And th e n fro m t h e r e , w h a t w o u ld he do w i t h 20 A G rab some p a p e r and bag i t 21 Q And t h i s 22 A W h ite p a p e r , 23 Q Was th e p a p e r i n on. it? up. p a p e r , w h a t k in d o f p a p e r w o u ld be used? a lu m in u m f o i l . any p a r t ic u la r s i z e , was i t a lr e a d y c u t i n a n y way? 24 25 s a id up. 12 13 s ir . s a id n o , h e 's g o t some re a d y now. 10 th e A Y es. It a l l depends w h a t s iz e pa cka g e t h a t th e y w a n te d , on

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645 GUYTON - DIRECT th e 1 2 Q I s iz e o f th e p a p e r. see. And t h i s 3 p u t in 4 w o u ld happen? — a fte r th is was m ix e d i n th e p a p e r , be pa cka g e d i n 5 A Y e s, 6 Q So yo u t o l d th e p a p e r , th e b le n d e r and is th a t w hat s ir . M r. S u tto n t h a t Lee Edw ards a lr e a d y had some made up? 7 8 A Y e s, s ir . 9 Q Even th o u g h he had some made u p , c o u ld y o u d i s t r i b u t e 10 if he was s t i l l in bed, some? 11 A N o, s i r . 12 Q And why was t h a t ? 13 A B ecause he w o u ld have t o make th e pa cka g e t o p u t i n my hand 14 o r w h o e ve r hand t h a t he w o u ld p u t i n 15 p e rs o n t h a t o r d e r e d i t . 16 Q 18 A N o, s i r . 19 Q Then I t h i n k y o u s a id h e 's yo u w e re r e f e r r i n g 20 ta k e W ould M r. E dw ards a llo w y o u t o d i s t r i b u t e y o u r s e l f w i t h o u t h im b e in g th e r e 17 to it t o m eet th e th e p a c k a g e s to d ir e c t? co m in g o u t o f th e room now and t o who? 21 A M r. E d w a rd s. 22 Q And co m in g o u t o f w h a t room? 23 A H is b e d ro o m . 24 0 And th e n yo u made th e a rra n g e m e n t w i t h M ik e S u tto n t o 25 and g e t th e d r u g s , is th a t r ig h t? come

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GUYTON - DIRECT 646 1 A Y e s, s ir . 2 Q A t th e v e r y end o f t h a t c o n v e r s a tio n y o u s a id t h a t F la k e s 3 is 4 th a t? 5 A c o m in g , 7 Q I 'm 8 A I 9 th e d o o r b e l l . s o rry ? s a y th e y was e i t h e r com in g th r o u g h th e d o o r o r e i t h e r r in g in g th e d o o r b e l l , th e y was a t th e d o o r f o r them t o come i n . 10 Q 12 13 g e t o u t o f h e r e ; w h a t d id y o u mean b y T h a t mean th e y was com in g th r o u g h th e d o o r o r e i t h e r th e y was r i n g i n g 6 11 I g o t to F la k e s . And w h a t made you s a y I g o t t o b e ca u se F la k e s i s A g e t o u t o f h e re h e re ? W e ll, when F la k e s o r them come a ro u n d , y o u know , it ta k e s 14 them a l i t t l e t im e . 15 e i t h e r t a k in g c a re o f t h e i r b u s in e s s and when he come 16 a r o u n d , yo u know , he d o n 't — y o u know , he d o n 't ha ve tim e 17 to 18 know . 19 F la k e s . 20 fro n t. 21 Q s it They be t h e r e a ro u n d and t a l k He have t o s ittin g down d is c u s s in g t o us o r do a n y th in g w i t h u s , y o u s i t down and ta k e c a re o f b u s in e s s w i t h They e i t h e r go i n th e b a ck o r e i t h e r up i n And when F la k e s w o u ld come and t o do b u s in e s s w i t h th e Lee, w o u ld t h a t ta k e a w h ile ? 22 23 A Y e s, 24 Q T h a t 's why you w a n te d t o g e t o u t o f th e r e b e fo r e he g o t 25 s ir . s ta r te d w ith F la k e s ?

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GUYTON - DIRECT 1 A 647 Y e s, s i r . 2 MR. BELLA: 3 MR. MAY: 4 t r a n s m is s io n s on i t 5 end o f y o u r t r a n s c r i p t . 6 T h is i s Why d o n 't we go — F o lk s , th is w i l l have th r e e a ls o c o n s e c u t iv e ly r i g h t We w o n 't s to p E x h i b i t 51 , a l l 7 s tr a ig h t th r o u g h th e a f t e r ea ch one. th r e e . (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 5 1 , an a u d io ta p e r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 8 9 MR. BELLA: 10 Q 11 12 O kay. to . Those l a s t tw o c o n v e r s a t io n s , th e t r a n s c r i p t s A Y es, H a rv e tte . 15 Q Now, i n 16 17 A Q O kay. A 22 Q 23 And when yo u th e n ? c o n v e r s a tio n you s a id he h o o k in g it up to ? p a c k a g e s t h a t she w a n te d , th e 16 b o y — say he h o o k in g i t now, a g a in who a re to ? M r. E d w a rd s. Now, yo u a ls o th e d o c t o r 's A in And do th e 16 b o y . you r e f e r r in g 21 25 fir s t He was m a k in g th e 15 b o y , 20 24 th e now ; w h a t a re y o u r e f e r r i n g 18 19 a b o u t f o u r m in u te s l a t e r . y o u know who t h a t was c a l l i n g 14 a c c o r d in g w ere on O c to b e r 4 , 1 9 9 0 , a t 6 :4 9 p . m . , and th e n a t 7 :0 3 p . m . , 13 M r. G u y to n , Y es, me t o to ld a b o u t m e e tin g b y o ff ic e ? I b e lie v e te ll h e r t h a t — yo u t a lk e d t h a t 's w here I h e r t o be t h e r e . to ld h e r t o m eet a t . He t o l d

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648 GUYTON - DIRECT 1 Q 2 YOU t a lk e d a b o u t t h a t a t f i r s t , s o m e th in g a b o u t th e d o c t o r 's . o f f ic e ? 3 A Y e s. 4 Q W here i s 5 A We m u st have been on 4 th and T a f t t o m eet b y th e d o c t o r 's th is d o c t o r 's o ff ic e ? o ff ic e . 6 7 Q W here i s th is 8 A Oh, a c r o s s th e s t r e e t . 9 Q A c ro s s th e s t r e e t fro m 460 T a f t P la c e ? 10 A Y e s. 11 Q And th e n I t h i n k y o u f i n a l l y S ta tio n , 12 13 A Y e s. 14 Q T h e re i s A I in r e la t io n to — a g re e d t o m eet b y th e Amoco th a t r ig h t? someone i n th e b a c k g ro u n d s a y in g t e l l c a n 't r e c a l l who — e ls e 17 18 o f f ic e h e r t o m eet a t th e Amoco S t a t i o n ; who was t h a t ? 15 16 is d o c t o r 's Q in it had t o be M r. E dw ards o r someone th e b a c k g ro u n d t h a t t o l d me t o m eet them t h e r e . W ould M r. E dw ards so m e tim e s t e l l y o u w he re t o m eet th e p e o p le ? 19 20 A Y e s, s ir . 21 Q And i n some o f th e s e c o n v e r s a tio n s y o u 'v e been m e e tin g a t 22 th e S h e ll S t a t i o n , you. t a l k a b o u t th e d o c t o r 's 23 a n yw a y, a g re e t o m eet a t t h i s Amoco S t a t i o n , 24 c o n v e r s a t io n i n th e a l l e y b e h in d th e 25 Why m eet a t a l l th e s e d i f f e r e n t l o c a t i o n s o f f ic e in r e s id e n c e one I th in k . in s t e a d o f h a v in g

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649 GUYTON - DIRECT p e o p le come s t r a i g h t t o 1 th e house? 2 A B ecause he d i d n ' t w a n t f o l k s 3 Q Who d i d n ' t w a n t f o l k s 4 A M r. Edw ards d i d n ' t w a n t p e o p le com in g t o 5 Q So he p r e f e r r e d 6 A Y e s, 7 Q And t h e r e A C o c a in e . 10 Q And boy? 11 A H e r o in . 12 Q Were t h e r e to th e h o u s e . t h a t yo u m eet th e p e o p le o t h e r p la c e s ? s ir . 9 13 th e h o u s e . com ing? is ta lk th e r e a b o u t n o t h a v in g g i r l b u t f o r them o r d e r in g b o y ; w h a t does g i r l 8 com in g t o r e f e r to ? some p e o p le t h a t M r. E dw ards w o u ld a llo w to come th e house? 14 A Y es, s ir . 15 Q Now, M r. G u y to n , f o r d o in g th e s e t h in g s fo r Lee, fo r 16 a n s w e rin g th e te le p h o n e t a k in g 17 p e o p le w he re t o m eet t o p ic k up th e d r u g s , w h a t w o u ld y o u 18 g e t? 19 A If th e s e d ru g s o r d e r s , te llin g I d e c id e t o b u y s o m e th in g o r f o r th e w o rk t h a t I was 20 d o in g , he w o u ld g iv e me a l i t t l e 21 pay f o r . b i t more th a n w h a t I w o u ld 22 Q So y o u w e re u s in g d ru g s y o u r s e l f a t th e 23 A Y e s, 24 Q And w h e re w o u ld y o u b u y y o u r d ru g s fro m ? 25 A M r. E d w a rd s. s ir . tim e ?

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650 GUYTON - DIRECT 1 Q 2 3 And i f yo u d id w o rk l i k e th is f o r h im , when y o u 'd b u y d r u g s , w h a t w o u ld happen? A He w o u ld g iv e me more i n . th e b a g . 4 th a n w h a t I w o u ld p u rc h a s e . 5 me a l i t t l e 6 th a n a 2 0 . 7 Q 8 A 9 Q 10 A 12 Q 13 I 'd b u y a d im e , h e 'd g iv e more th a n a dim e o r a 2 0 , g iv e me a l i t t l e So t h a t was h i s m ethod o f p a y in g yo u f o r d o in g t h i s Y e s, Now, yo u s a id t h a t yo u o r i g i n a l l y Y es, m ore w o rk ? s ir . some w o rk a t t h i s 11 If The bag w o u ld be b ig g e r m et M r. E dw ards b y d o in g p la c e w he re he l iv e d ? s ir . D id y o u become aw are o f an y o t h e r p r o p e r t i e s th a t in your o p in io n M r. E dw ards owned o r c o n t r o lle d ? 14 A Y e s, he had a c o u p le o f o t h e r b u i l d i n g s 15 Q D id he have y o u do any w o rk a t th e s e o t h e r p r o p e r t ie s ? 16 A Y e s, 17 Q 18 and h o u s e s . s ir . Can y o u t e l l us w h a t p r o p e r t i e s he w o u ld send y o u t o do t h i s w o rk ? 19 A 5 th and T a f t b y th e h o s p i t a l , 20 Q W hat k in d o f b u i l d i n g was t h i s ? 21 A A p a rtm e n t b u i l d i n g . 22 Q And w h a t s t r e e t was t h i s 23 A 24 Q By th e h o s p i t a l ? 25 A Y es, G r a n t, G ra n t S t r e e t . s ir . do — th e b ig b u i l d i n g th e re . on? G ra n t S t r e e t , 5 th and G ra n t S t r e e t .

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651 GUYTON - DIRECT 1 Q And i t was an a p a rtm e n t b u ild in g ? 2 A Y e s, s i r . 3 Q W hat o t h e r p r o p e r t y w o u ld he send y o u t o do t h i s 4 A 1 5 th i f 5 Q W hat k in d o f p la c e was t h a t ? 6 A T h a t was a h o u s e . 7 Q And who w o u ld s t a y th e r e ? 8 A M r. E d w a rd s. 9 Q O kay. 10 A The l i q u o r s t o r e 12 Q W here was th e l i q u o r 13 A On V i r g i n i a 14 Q A nyw here e ls e ? 15 A Y e s, o u t th e r e w o rk a t? s o m e th in g b ro k e down on 1 5 th and T a f t . W here e ls e ? if th e c o o le r o r s o m e th in g b ro k e down o r 11 s to r e ? S tre e t. on — o h , he had a house on V i r g i n i a a b o u t 7 th o r 8 th and s o m e th in g . S tre e t 16 to o , I w e n t and d id w o rk 17 on t h a t fu r n a c e a c o u p le o f tim e s and th e h o t w a te r t a n k . 18 Q And d i d he have any o t h e r p r o p e r ty ? 19 A Y e s, down 4 9 th som ew here. K e n tu c k y o r s o m e th in g o f f o f 20 G e o rg ia S t r e e t , I d o n 't know th e e x a c t s t r e e t 21 but it 's I d o n 't — e a s t K e n tu c k y , e a s t o f G e o rg ia . 22 Q 4 9 th and K e n tu c k y o r G e o rg ia ? 23 A Y e s. I d o n 't know th e e x a c t — 24 s tre e t b u t i t ' s e a s t o f G e o r g ia , 25 o r O h io o r s o m e th in g l i k e th a t. I c a n ' t r e c a l l th e e x a c t so i t had t o be K e n tu c k y

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652 GUYTON - DIRECT 1 Q And w h a t k in d o f p r o p e r t y was t h a t ? 2 A A d u p le x h o u s e . 3 Q And M r. E dw ards w o u ld send yo u t o do w o rk a t a l l 4 lo c a tio n s , th e a p a rtm e n t b u i l d i n g 5 liq u o r 6 a t 4 9 th and K e n tu c k y o r th e r e a b o u ts , 7 and V i r g i n i a ? s to re , 8 A Y e s, 9 Q Thank y o u , 460 T a f t P la c e , s ir . 11 and yo u t o l d 12 F la k e s d o in g f o r M r. E dw ards? I F la k e s i s us i t ' s c o m in g , g o in g t o b e lie v e he was s e l l i n g 14 and th e y w o u ld go i n 15 it 16 F la k e s w o u ld do t o g e t h e r . 17 Q 1522 T a f t S t r e e t , You m e n tio n e d i n c o n v e r s a t io n . A a t 7 th and G r a n t, and t h i s th e th e d u p le x house a t 7 th s ir . 10 13 th e s e I one o f th o s e g o t to ta k e some t im e . f o r M r. E d w a rd s . W hat was He w o u ld come b y th e b a ck o r e i t h e r up f r o n t , was v e r y se ld o m we g o t a chance t o And yo u a ls o g e t o u t o f h e re t a lk e d a b o u t L i t t l e y o u know , see w h a t h im and James and a t one p o i n t eve n gave h i s phone num ber o u t? 18 19 A Y es. 20 Q Or a c o u p le o f tim e s I th in k you gave h i s phone num ber o u t , on th e s e phone c o n v e r s a tio n s anyway? 21 22 A Y e s, s ir . 23 Q That L it t le James whose phone num ber yo u gave o u t t o d r u g 24 c u s to m e rs and d i r e c t e d 25 do y o u see L i t t l e them t o James i n L ittle James o r t o th e c o u rtro o m to d a y ? F la k e s ?

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GUYTON - DIRECT 1 A Y eah, h e 's 2 Q C o u ld y o u p o i n t o u t w here h e 's 3 4 s ittin g r ig h t o ve r th e re . A R ig h t t h e r e w i t h MR. BELLA: 6 th e brow n s u i t o n , and d e s c r ib e w h a t MR. TRUITT: 8 THE COURT: 9 MR. BELLA: Q And I know L i t t l e Y our H o n o r, w o u ld th e th e w itn e s s has i d e n t i f i e d 7 re c o rd Jam es. r e fle c t th a t th e d e fe n d a n t James D a v is . No o b j e c t i o n . So in d ic a t e d . Lee E dw ards who y o u t a lk e d t o when th e d ru g c u s to m e r 11 w o u ld c a l l i n 12 c o u ld g e t them re a d y 13 c u s to m e rs t o L i t t l e 14 E dw ards i n to see i f you c o u ld d e l i v e r th e d ru g s o r who w o u ld d i r e c t y o u t o or you sen d th e James and F la k e s ; do yo u see Lee th e c o u rtro o m to d a y ? 15 A Y e s, h e 's 16 Q And 17 A Oh,a s w e a te r and a s h i r t . 18 s ittin g h e 's w e a rin g ? 5 10 653 s ittin g r ig h t b e h in d L i t t l e Jam es. w h a t 's he w e a rin g ? MR. BELLA: He Y our H o n o r, d o n 't have on a s u i t . I w o u ld ask t h a t th e 19 r e f l e c t t h a t th e w itn e s s has i d e n t i f i e d 20 A ndrew E d w a rd s. 21 MR. JACKSON: 22 THE COURT: 23 MR. BELLA: 24 THE COURT: C ro s s D a v is . 25 MR. TR U ITT: Thank y o u . Y o u r H o n o r. th e d e fe n d a n t Lee No o b j e c t i o n . So in d ic a t e d . Thank y o u , s ir . re c o rd You may a s k .

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GUYTON - CROSS DAVIS 1 654 CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. TRUITT: 2 3 Q M r. G u y to n , I n o t ic e d when you w ere a n s w e rin g c e r t a i n 4 M r. B e l l a 's q u e s tio n s l i k e 5 w h a t w o u ld L i t t l e 6 guess, 7 b e l ie v e . of w h a t w o u ld F la k e s M c K e llu m do o r James d o , yo u w o u ld p r e fe r e n c e it by I I guess he had g iv e n them some p a c k a g e s , o r I Now i n a l l h o n e s ty you d o n 't know , do you? 8 A Y e s, t o some e x t e n t . 9 Q Now, i n a l l h o n e s ty you d o n 't know , do you? 10 A No. 1 1 Q M r. E dw ards n e v e r d is c u s s e d h i s b u s in e s s d e a lin g s w i t h y o u , 12 A N o, n o t on t h a t b e h a l f . 14 Q So y o u 'r e 15 A Y e s. g u e s s in g ? 16 MR. TRUITT: 17 THE COURT; 18 MR. McGr a t h : 19 THE COURT: 20 MR. JACKSON: Thank y o u . C ro s s D u r r . N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. C ro s s E d w a rd s. 21 Thank y o u . Y o u r H o n o r. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. JACKSON: 22 Q 24 25 s ir . d id he? 13 23 Y es, M r. G u y to n , w o u ld y o u e v e r r e c e iv e an y p e r s o n a l phone c a l l s a t t h a t r e s id e n c e ? A Y e s, n o t p e r s o n a l t h a t I can r e c a l l .

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655 GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 1 Q W ould somebody c a l l th e r e and s p e c i f i c a l l y 2 A Y e s, th e y have i f 3 Q W hat ty p e o f b u s in e s s do you o p e r a te o r d id y o u o p e r a t e , 4 th e y see my c a r o u ts id e o r s o m e th in g . M r. G uyton? 5 A I do s e r v ic e w o rk , 6 Q O kay. 7 A No. 8 Q Do yo u make any p r o f i t s 9 A N o, n o t r e a l l y . 10 11 a s k f o r you? to Q 12 Does t h i s r e p a i r a p p lia n c e s . b u s in e s s have a name? J u s t , yo u know , my name i t s e l f , s u r v iv e , D id yo u f i l e fro m t h i s You know , t h a t 's b u s in e s s ? I do odd and end j o b s , y o u know , a ll. any t a x g a in e d fro m t h i s y o u know . r e tu rn s w ith re s p e c t to b u s in e s s ? 13 A N o, I d i d n ' t . 14 Q You t e s t i f i e d t h a t you w ere d o in g some w o rk o v e r a t t h i s 15 r e s id e n c e and y o u had s o r t o f been s t a y in g 16 w h a t happened? 17 A Had been s t a y in g th e r e ? 18 Q Yes? 19 A N o, I d i d n ' t — 20 Q O kay. 21 22 25 I d id n 't liv e B u t yo u w e re o u t t h e r e a t th is th e re , is th a t house, no. so m e tim e s b e fo r e a n y b o d y was awake? A 23 24 th e money N o. Someone had t o be awake t o key to Q l e t me i n ; I d i d n ' t have a g e t in . Y o u 'd be th e r e b e fo r e Lee w o u ld be aw ake, th o u g h , w o u ld n 't you?

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656 GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 1 A He w o u ld be up f o r — yo u know , someone w o u ld have t o le t 2 h im know t h a t I was a t th e d o o r and he sa y o k a y f o r me t o 3 come i n 4 Q if I b e lie v e he had c a l l e d me. in one o f th e t r a n s c r i p t s y o u s a id he was s t i l l a s le e p ? 5 6 A Y e s, p o s s i b i l i t y . 7 Q So yo u w o u ld have been th e r e b e fo r e he was awake? 8 A I w o u ld n 't sa y t h a t e x a c t l y . 9 Q W h ich one i s it? 10 THE COURT; 11 THE WITNESS: 12 A C o u n s e l. Someone had t o be u p . Someone had t o be up t o 13 th e d o o r , e i t h e r h im , h i s w i f e , 14 had t o m e n tio n i t 15 Q son o r som eone. t o h im o r h i s w if e to A l e t me i n . So yo u c o u ld have been th e r e and i n A p o s s ib ility , b e fo r e 18 f a c t y o u w e re bu t I doubt i t I do g e t i n v e ry s e r io u s ly . th e d o o r th e y d e f i n i t e l y M o st l i k e l y l e t h im know . 19 Q Now, w e re you h i r e d b y M r. E dw ards o r h i s w i f e 20 A By M r. E d w a rd s. 21 Q You w e re h ir e d ? 22 A Y es. 23 Q W hat ty p e o f p ro c e s s was u n d e r ta k e n t o h i r e 24 A W e ll, 25 And th e y t h e r e b e fo r e Lee was aw ake, c o r r e c t ? 16 17 O kay. l e t me i n t o lik e when I f i r s t m et h im , fu r n a c e and a c e n t r a l a i r lik e c o n d itio n in g I you? say, in o r a n yb o d y? h is I put a ho use and

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657 GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 1 2 Q 3 4 A t h a t 's when he h ir e d me t o do t h a t . O kay. W ith r e s p e c t t o th e s e a lle g e d d ru g t r a n s a c t io n s , w e re y o u h ir e d t o ru n f o r M r. Edwards? N o, when — a f t e r I d id m eet h im , he w o u ld ask me t o a n sw er 5 th e phone on v a r io u s o c c a s io n s i f 6 somewhere t o do some w o rk f o r h im , and I w o u ld a n sw e r th e 7 phone. And when I d id 8 w o u ld — 9 fin d he c a l l e d me o v e r t o o u t t h a t — w h a t was g o in g o n , I was s u r p r is e d , but I go I l e t h im know t h a t — w h a t 10 th e p e rs o n had s a id on th e phone b e fo r e 11 was g o in g o n . I was aw are o f w h a t So t h e r e was n e v e r an a p p l i c a t i o n o r an i n t e r v i e w w i t h M r. 13 E dw ards f o r b e in g a f f i l i a t e d an a lle g e d d ru g 14 o r g a n i z a t i o n , was th e r e ? 12 Q 15 A No. 16 Q So t h e r e was no in t e r v ie w ? 17 A N o. fo u n d o u t he was d o in g i t , he was d o in g i t , 18 19 When I Q it y o u know . th is a lle g e d d ru g o r g a n iz a t io n ? 21 A N o, I n e v e r made no money o f f th e d r u g s . 22 Q And i n e xch ang e f o r a n s w e rin g th e p h o n e , y o u t e s t i f i e d y o u r e c e iv e d a l i t t l e 23 s u r p r i s i n g me and W ould y o u c o n s id e r y o u r s e l f an em ployee o f M r. E dw ards w i t h re s p e c t to 20 w ith more n a r c o t ic s ? 24 A Y e s. 25 Q How lo n g have y o u been u s in g d ru g s ? th a t

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658 GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 1 A B ack th e n when I m et h im ba ck i n — w hen; i t 2 had been f i v e I r e c a ll e x a c tly o r s i x y e a rs a g o . 3 Q T h a t 's when you f i r s t 4 A Y e s. 5 Q Have y o u e v e r been t o 6 A Y es. 7 Q How many tim e s have yo u been t o 8 A O n ce . 9 Q When was t h i s ? 10 A B ack i n 11 Q O f w h ic h y e a r? 12 A '9 2 . 13 Q W hat ty p e s o f d ru g s w ere yo u u s in g ? 14 A H e r o in . 15 Q How f r e q u e n t l y d id yo u use i t ? 16 A On a d a i l y b a s is . 17 Q How much w ere y o u u s in g i t 18 A 2 0 , $30 w o r t h . 19 Q D id t h a t a f f e c t y o u r s t a t e 20 A N o, s i r . 21 Q You d i d n ' t have a n y p ro b le m s t h i n k i n g s ta rte d ? re h a b ? re hab ? O c to b e r . u s in g th e s e n a r c o t ic s ? 22 can ' t 23 A N o, s i r . 24 Q How lo n g w ere y o u i n 25 A The f u l l te r m , re h a b ? 28 d a y s . on y o u r a v e ra g e day? o f m ind? o r c o n c e n t r a t in g when

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GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 659 1 Q 28 da ys? 2 A Y e s, s i r . 3 Q Now, d id M r. E dw ards g iv e you an y d i r e c t i o n 4 as t o how t o h a n d le th e s e d ru g t r a n s a c t io n s ? 5 A I d o n 't f o l l o w 6 Q O kay. w h a t y o u 'r e When t a l k i n g s a y in g when y o u s a y — on th e p h o n e , d id yo u have a n y 7 d is c r e tio n 8 somebody? 9 N o, he w o u ld t e l l me, yo u know , w h a t t o a t a l l as t o w hen, w he re and — yo u w o u ld m eet 10 he w o u ld t e l l me w h a t t o 1 1 p a cka g e t o 12 o u t , y o u know , he w o u ld d i r e c t th e m , th e 13 tim e . te ll th e m . te ll And i f ta k e o u t o r th e o t h e r p e rs o n t o 14 Q D id y o u have a n y d i s c r e t i o n 15 A No. 16 Q O kay. Then why i s it th e p e o p le o r he gave me th e ta k e th e p a c k a g e lo c a tio n , th e a t a ll? t h a t so m e tim e s yo u w o u ld a n sw e r c a l l 17 w a itin g 18 B ecause he w o u ld — you know , he was th e g u y t h a t 19 d is t r ib u t e d . 20 phone i f 21 p a r tic u la r day, 22 o r d e r , y o u know . 23 l e t h im know . and o t h e r tim e s yo u w o u ld n 't ? You know , he w o u ld t e l l me t o I was s i t t i n g by th e phone o r i f a n sw e r th e I was t h e r e th a t I w o u ld an sw er th e phone and ta k e th e They w o u ld s a y w h a t th e y w a n t, 24 Q You know w h a t c a l l w a i t i n g 25 A Y e s. is , d o n 't you? I w o u ld

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660 GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 1 Q T h a t 's 2 A U h -h u h . 3 Q O kay. 4 5 th a t l i t t l e Why i s it b e e p in g n o is e y o u 'r e som etim e s you w o u ld an sw er i t and so m e tim e s you w o u ld n 't ? A 6 E v e ry tim e th e phone r i n g if I w o u ld an sw er th e p h o n e . a lr e a d y on th e phone? Q N o, y o u 'r e 8 A O kay. 9 Q You j u s t h e a rd th e s e ta p e s ? 10 A U h -h u h . 11 Q O kay. 12 I was th e r e and he t o l d a n sw e r i t , 7 S om etim es th e beep w o u ld come on i n d i c a t i n g c a l l co m in g in ? A U h -h u h . 14 Q S om etim es w o u ld yo u an sw er i t , 15 A W e ll, a n o th e r so m e tim e s y o u w o u ld n 't ? I w o u ld n 't know who th e o t h e r p a r t y w o u ld be i f 16 d i d n ' t a n sw er th e p h o n e . 17 ju s t lik e If 18 me t o . 13 A ny tim e yo u h e a rd on th e ta p e s , I h e a rd a beep i n I w o u ld a n sw e r i t . th e phone I w o u ld n 't know who was c a llin g , I w o u ld an sw er th e p h o n e . 20 was an e m erg ency o r somebody was s ic k 21 k id s was c a l l i n g o r w h a t, Q So y o u d id have some d i s c r e t i o n ? 23 A Y es. I suppose. I w o u ld n 't know i f or i l l it o r one o f h i s I w o u ld an sw er th e p h o n e . 22 W e ll, I I h e a rd th e phone b e e p , 19 He — if t h a t 's w hat you c a l l — y o u know . 24 25 h e a r in g ? Q So yo u e x e r c is e d a l i t t l e b i t o f fre e w i l l th e re , d id n 't

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GUYTON - 1 2 you? A 3 4 661 CROSS EDWARDS N ot r e a lly ; I w o u ld n 't sa y t h a t . w o u ld n 't — n o , Q Now, w i t h I T h a t 's n o t my h o u s e . c o u l d n 't do as I p le a s e i n re s p e c t to th e re . th e s e v a r io u s p la c e s t h a t y o u t a l k e d 5 a b o u t, M r. Edw ards — d id M r. Edw ards e v e r i n d i c a t e 6 t h a t he owned th e s e 7 A Y es, y e s . 8 Q You — 9 A He s a id th e s e p la c e s 10 11 on my so and s o , Q D id th e r e was h i s come a p o i n t i n 12 hey, 13 7 th o r 8 th and V i r g i n i a 14 A 15 Q 16 A 18 Q 19 o r w o u ld y o u go t h e r e th is and w o rk so I was — tim e when M r. Edw ards w o u ld s a y , p la c e and s a y go t o and f i x th is , th is ju s t f i x h o use a t s o m e th in g ? Y e s. W ould he s a y go t o my house on 7 th and 8 t h , V ir g in ia , 17 to you re s id e n c e s ? so and s o , y o u know , can y o u go t o I f i x s o m e th in g ? Y e s , he w o u ld O kay. 7 th o r 8 t h and Or i s say i t lik e th a t. he s a y in g more a c c u r a t e l y , 7 th and 8 th and V i r g i n i a 20 A N o, he w o u ld sa y 21 Q Same t h i n g 22 A Y e s. 23 Q and f i x 25 o v e r and f i x it? 4 9 th and G e o rg ia ? A ny cha nce t h a t th e s e p r o p e r t i e s E dw ards b u t i n a ho use a t myh o u s e . a t th e d u p le x a t 24 go t o f a c t fr ie n d s d i d n ' t b e lo n g t o M r. o f h is and h e 's h a v in g y o u go s o m e th in g f o r a f r i e n d ?

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GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 1 MR. BELLA: O b je c t io n , 2 THE COURT: S u s ta in e d . 3 MR. JACKSON: 4 Q w ith 6 who m et you t h e r e , th e one a t — if fo r s p e c u la t io n . r e s id e n c e s , le t 's s ta rt a t 5 th and G r a n t, anybody? A The te n a n ts t h a t s ta y e d i n 8 Q The t e n a n t s . 10 C a lls th e a p a rtm e n t b u i l d i n g 7 9 Y our H o n o r. When yo u a r r i v e d a t th e s e v a r io u s 5 662 th e b u i l d i n g . D id you have any c o n v e r s a t io n w i t h th e s e te n a n ts ? A Y e s, th e y had t o l e t me i n . Down i n th e b o i l e r room t o do 11 th e w o rk , yo u know , w h a te v e r I had t o do a t th e b u i l d i n g 12 t h a t p a r t i c u l a r t im e . 13 do th e w o rk . I n e v e r had k e y s , y o u know , 14 Q D id th e s e te n a n ts e v e r i n d ic a t e 15 A Y e s, th e y knew who owned th e b u i l d i n g . 16 Q Who i s 17 A M r. E d w a rd s. 18 Q The house a t 1 5 th and T a f t ; who l e t y o u i n 19 A T h a t was M r. E d w a rd s ' house w he re he l i v e s , 20 in . He w o u ld have t o 21 Q How a b o u t th e l i q u o r s t o r e 22 A W hoever was w o r k in g a t th e tim e o r i f on V i r g i n i a th e r e ? one o f th e l e t me i n . S tre e t? he was t h e r e , he w o u ld l e t me i n . 24 Q And how a b o u t th e d u p le x on 4 9 th and G e o rg ia ? 25 A The te n a n ts t h a t w ere s t a y in g in go t o who owned th e b u i ld i n g ? th a t? h o u se s he l i v e s 23 to th e ho use a t th e t im e . at

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663 GUYTON - CROSS EDWARDS 1 Q Have yo u e v e r been a r r e s t e d , M r. G uyton? 2 A No. 3 Q Y o u 'v e n e v e r been a r r e s te d ? 4 A N o. I — ne ve r in 5 tr a ffic , a tr a ffic tic k e t, b u t never a rre s te d , ja il. 6 Q Have y o u e v e r been a r r e s t e d 7 A No. 8 Q You e v e r been f o r g a m b lin g w it h o u t a p e r m it? 9 MR. BELLA: Y o u r H o n o r, 10 THE COURT: S u s ta in e d . 11 MR. JACKSON: 12 Q Now, i n q u ite 13 14 A I 15 Q O kay. f o r tr e s p a s s in g ? I 'll o b je c t t o th is . exch ang e f o r y o u r t e s t im o n y to d a y , y o u 'r e a b re a k , d o n 't know ; I a r e n ' t you? suppose. Do y o u have a la w y e r o r d id y o u have a la w y e r f o r th e c h a rg e when y o u p le a b a r g a in e d o u t o f t h i s 16 17 A Y e s, 18 Q O kay. r e c e iv in g c o u r t? I do. Has t h a t m a tte r been — have y o u gone th r o u g h s e n te n c in g y e t? 19 20 A N o, I h a v e n 't . 21 Q B u t y o u 'v e e n te r e d a p le a a g re e m e n t, h a v e n 't you? 22 A Y e s, 23 Q W h ich c a l l s 24 A C o rre c t. 25 Q How much tim e w ere y o u lo o k in g a t w i t h o u t — I have. f o r a re d u c e d s e n te n c e f o r y o u r c o o p e r a tio n ? on th e c h a rg e

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GUYTON - REDIRECT 1 i t s e l f w it h o u t th e b e n e f i t o f a p le a a g re e m e n t? 2 A W h a t'd th e y s a y , 3 Q O kay. 4 A 6 Q 7 A O kay. Now, w h a t a re you lo o k in g a t w i t h I d o n 't — I th e b e n e f i t o f th e t h i n k , w h a t, e i g h t y e a rs o r n in e y e a r s o r Q O kay. So y o u 'r e c o o p e r a t io n , A Y e s, th a t. I 'm g e ttin g n o t e x a c tly s u re . a s i g n i f i c a n t r e d u c t io n fo r your a r e n ' t you? s ir . 13 MR. JACKSON; 14 THE COURT; 15 MR. JACKSON; 16 THE COURT; 17 Y our H o n o r, may I have a m om ent, p le a s e ? You may. N o th in g f u r t h e r . Y o u r H o n o r. R e d ir e c t G o v e rn m e n t. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA; 18 19 you w ere c o o p e r a tin g ? He spoke a b o u t i t . s o m e th in g l i k e 11 12 And has y o u r la w y e r a d v is e d you so — w h a t th e p le a a g re e m e n t? 9 10 c o n s p ir a c y 20 y e a rs o r s o m e th in g . r e d u c t io n w o u ld be i f 5 8 664 Q M r. G u y to n , when th e f i r s t a t t o r n e y a ske d y o u a b o u t w h a t 20 F la k e s and L i t t l e James w ere d o in g , th e 21 yo u t h a t q u e s t io n as t o w h e th e r yo u 22 to fir s t tim e he a s k e d r e a l l y knew , y o u s a id some e x te n t? 23 A U h -h u h , y e s . 24 Q W hat d i d yo u mean b y t h a t ? 25 A When L i t t l e James come b y , it was s e ld o m I saw h im c o m in g

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GUYTON - REDIRECT 1 b y M r. E d w a rd s ' h o u s e . 2 saw h im b y t h e r e . 3 But I 4 in 5 q u ite 6 Q a p e r io d o f t im e . And w o u ld th e r e — 8 o t h e r p la c e s . 9 to 12 Q 13 14 c u s to m e rs w o u ld c a l l i n and m eet W ould some r e g u la r d ru g c u s to m e rs a ls o come th e h o u s e , I t h i n k you t e s t i f i e d t h e r e w e re some p e o p le th e house? Y e s. And when th e y w o u ld come t o th e — when th e y w o u ld come t o A If he w o u ld Q w a n te d t o s e l l them d r u g s , he w o u ld . send them t o L i t t l e Now, when th e s e 18 w o u ld w i t h F la k e s 19 them? A Y e s. 21 Q W hat w o u ld 22 A M ig h t n o t, he r e g u la r d ru g c u s to m e rs w o u ld come b y th e h o u s e , w o u ld Lee E dw ards ta k e 20 If James o r F la k e s . 17 23 them th e house j u s t t o b u y d r u g s , w h a t w o u ld happen th e n ? 15 16 th e r e had been a s e r ie s o f c o n v e r s a tio n s t h a t w o u ld come t o A th e y w o u ld e i t h e r go th e b a ck and be d is c u s s in g w h a te v e r th e y had t o do f o r w here r e g u la r d ru g 11 F la k e s come b y was v e r y s e ld o m I know when th e y do come b y , 7 10 665 and L i t t l e them i n th e b a ck l i k e James and spend he tim e w i t h Y e s. he do w i t h th e have them s i t up i n room and s i t r e g u la r d ru g c u s to m e rs ? f r o n t and come w i t h h im o r make them go i n up i n th e liv in g th e b a c k and s i t 24 do w n. 25 W ould he t r e a t them th e same way as he w o u ld F la k e s o r

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GUYTON - REDIRECT 1 L ittle 2 them? 666 Jam es, w o u ld spend th e same am ount o f tim e w i t h 3 A N o, n o t as much t im e . 4 Q Now, y o u in d ic a t e d th a t — in one o f th o s e c o n v e r s a tio n s 5 t h a t F la k e s was com in g b y and you knew i t 6 some tim e b e cause th e y had t o d is c u s s was g o in g t o some b u s in e s s ? 7 A U h -h u h . 8 Q So yo u knew t h a t F la k e s w a s n 't j u s t a r e g u la r d ru g c u s to m e r? 9 10 A Y e s. 11 Q And was t h a t th e same case w i t h 12 A Y e s. 13 Q And y o u a ls o — yo u i n d ic a t e d t h a t y o u had n o t been 14 a r r e s t e d and o f c o u r s e , 15 c a s e ; y o u w ere a r r e s t e d on t h i s Y e s, t h a t 's L ittle w ith James? th e e x c e p t io n o f t h i s case? 16 A Y e s. 17 Q And y o u have n o t y e t been s e n te n c e d , have you? 18 A No. 19 Q So do yo u know w h a t y o u r p r e c is e 20 A I have i t 22 s o m e th in g . Q r ig h t. s e n te n c e w i l l be? f o r g e t th e e x a c t d a te t h a t th e Judge had is s u e d . 21 23 ta k e A ll w r itte n r ig h t. down a t home. I th in k I d o n 't mean th e p r e c is e 24 mean y o u d o n 't know as y o u s i t 25 to be im po sed on y o u , do you? it I do was A p r i l th e s e n te n c in g d a t e , th e r e w h a t s e n te n c e i s I g o in g

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GUYTON - 667 REDIRECT 1 A No . 2 Q Y o u 'v e been in fo rm e d t h a t th e maximum i s 3 A Y es. 4 Q And th e m inim um i s 5 A Yes. 6 Q Or th e s e n te n c e can be an yw here b e tw e e n th e maximum o r 20 y e a rs ? p r o b a tio n ? minimum? 7 8 A Y es. 9 Q And y o u r a t t o r n e y in d ic a t e d 10 ta k e n i n t o 11 w e re l i a b l e th a t c e r ta in a c c o u n t, y o u r h i s t o r y , be th e am ount o f d ru g s y o u f o r and t h a t s o r t o f t h in g ? 12 A Y e s. 13 Q And y o u r c o o p e r a tio n in p le a d in g g u i l t y and t e s t i f y i n g 14 a ls o one o f th o s e ite m s t o be ta k e n i n t o 15 th a t r ig h t? 16 A Y e s. 17 Q These p r o p e r t i e s I f a c t o r s have t o 18 w o rk o n , 19 r e c a ll c o r r e c tly . 20 A Y e s, he d i d . 21 Q You a ls o c o n s id e r a tio n , t h a t Lee E dw ards w o u ld send y o u t o , t h i n k y o u t a lk e d a b o u t f i v e D id he r e f e r t o is o r s ix to o f them i f th o s e as h i s 22 T h e re was c o n v e r s a t io n w here som ebody was g o in g t o 23 $185 f o r d ru g s ? A Y e s. 25 Q O r d e r in g h a l f a d ip and a dim e? do I p r o p e r t ie s ? s a id t h a t y o u d i d n ' t make an y money on d r u g s . 24 is spend

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GUYTON - 1 A Y e s. 2 Q Where w o u ld t h a t money go to ? 3 A M r. E d w a rd s ' h a n d s . . 4 MR. BELLA; Thank y o u , 5 THE COURT; R e c ro s s D a v is . 6 MR. TR U ITT; 8 Q 10 11 s ir , I have n o t h in g fu rth e r. Thank y o u . Y our H o n o r. RECROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. TRUITT; 7 9 668 RECROSS DAVIS A M r. G u y to n , I b e lie v e y o u t o l d M r. J a c k s o n t h a t y o u w o u ld $30 a d a y t o N ot — n o t — n o t a day. S om etim es when I d id u s e . y o u 12 know , 13 o r $30 a d a y . I d id use som etim e s e v e r y d a y , b u t i t 14 Q How much w o u ld 20 o r $30 buy? 15 A $20 w o u ld be l i k e 16 Q Now, I w o u ld n 't : be 20 f o u r M cD onald s p o o n s . assume t h a t y o u w o u ld m ix t h i s m ix t u r e w i t h w a te r o r s o m e th in g e ls e 17 s u p p o r t y o u r h a b it ? spend an yw here fro m 20 t o h e r o in o r h e r o in and i n j e c t i t ? 18 A N o. 19 Q How w o u ld y o u — 20 A I 21 Q And f o r one dose f o r y o u , how much w o u ld y o u use? 22 A A dim e o r 20 c e n t a t a t im e . 23 Q W h ich w o u ld be a M c D o n a ld 's spoon? 24 A A dim e w o u ld be tw o M c D o n a ld 's spoons o r a M cD onald spoon 25 N o, I n e v e r s h o t d r u g s . s n o r te d i t . and a h a l f w o u ld be a d im e . So th r e e to f o u r M cD onald

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GUYTON - 1 2 s p o o n s w o u ld be c lo s e Q 3 to in h a le it? A Y e s. 5 Q How o f t e n 6 A Two, no more th a n th r e e — how many t im e s a d a y w o u ld y o u i n h a l e Q tim e s a d a y a t te n c e n t — you So yo u w o u ld be g o in g th r o u g h a 20 o r more i f it 9 A I y o u in h a le d tw ic e ? w o u ld n 't do — n o , I w o u ld n 't do tw o 2 0 ' s ; 11 to o much f o r me. 12 e i t h e r a d im e , and th e n l a t e r 13 more I w o u ld do e i t h e r one o f th e tw o . Q W ere o t h e r p e o p le who w e re 15 A O h, y e s , 16 Q On a d a i l y 17 A Y es. 18 Q So i f yes. t h a t w o u ld be I w o u ld do a dim e and I w o u ld do a 20 o r 14 on t h a t d a y i f ju s t u s e rs , I w a n te d some u s in g m ore th a n y o u ? Much m ore th a n me. b a s is ? som ebody o r d e r e d a 20 and a 3 0 , t h a t c o u ld be v e r y w e l l f o r t h e i r own p e r s o n a l use f o r t h a t day? 19 20 A Yes. 21 Q E a s ily ? 22 A Y e s. 23 Q Now, Y e s, I A Y es. s ir . b e lie v e v e ry o fte n , 24 25 it? know , a t a $10 q u a n t i t y . 7 10 a 20. A nd y o u w o u ld u s e a M c D o n a ld sp o o n e a c h t im e y o u w o u ld 4 8 669 RECROSS DAVIS y o u s a id y o u d i d n ' t c o rre c t? see Jam es c o m in g a r o u n d

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GUYTON - 1 Q How many tim e s d id you see h im com in g a ro u n d ? 2 A W e ll, 3 Q Where d id yo u see h im , 4 A Y e s, he 5 / I know h im , I saw h im b e f o r e . in th e n e ig h b o rh o o d ? s t a y in g n o t to o f a r fro m h im . He w o u ld c a l l on th e phone on v a r io u s o c c a s io n s , he w o u ld come b y , y o u know . 6 Q We h e a rd one o c c a s io n when he o r d e r e d a 20 and 7 A Y es. 8 Q And t h a t w o u ld i n y o u r o p in io n w o u ld be a p e r s o n a l use 9 10 A Y es. 11 Q And he l i v e d in th e n e ig h b o rh o o d and y o u 'd see h im i n A Y e s. 14 Q D id m o st p e o p le who use d h e r o in use i t 15 A Y e s, 16 Q In y o u r I suppose. 18 e v e r y day? 20 d id p e o p le who use h e r o in ha ve t o use i t I w o u ld n 't n e c e s s a r ily s a y t h a t . I d i d n ' t have t o use h e r o in e v e r y d a y when I was u s in g it. 21 Q B u t yo u chose t o use i t 22 A Y e s, 23 25 th a t, Q e ls e . e x p e r ie n c e and i n w h a t yo u know a b o u t y o u r own use and use o f o t h e r s , A e v e r y day? I c o u l d n 't speak f o r e v e ry o n e 17 24 th e n e ig h b o rh o o d ? 13 19 a 30? am ount? 12 . 670 RECROSS DAVIS j u s t a b o u t e v e r y day? j u s t a b o u t e v e r y d a y yo u c a n . ju s t a b o u t e v e ry Yes, I 'll a g re e w i t h day. So a l o t o f th e p e o p le who w o u ld be co m in g a ro u n d w o u ld be co m in g a ro u n d e v e r y d a y , c o rre c t?

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GUYTON - 1 A 2 n o t n e c e s s a r i l y b e c a u s e M r. 671 E d w a rd s w o u l d n 't see e v e ry o n e e v e ry d a y . 3 Q B u t a l o t o f p e o p le w o u ld be u s in g i t 4 A O ut in 5 Q And w o u ld have t o be b u y in g some e v e r y day? 6 A G re a t p o s s i b i l i t y . 7 / N o, RECROSS DAVIS 8 th e s t r e e t s I day? suppose, y e s . A ll th e d e p e n d s how b a d t h e i r h a b i t w as. Q 9 U n le s s th e y c o u ld a f f o r d a la r g e q u a n t i t y and kee p i t on hand? 10 A Y e s. 11 Q B u t m o st p e o p le c o u l d n 't do t h a t , 12 A E x a c t ly r i g h t . 13 Q So t h e y 'd have t o p u rc h a s e i t 14 A Y e s, if 15 Q Now, ju s t 16 17 e v e ry 18 N o, to c le a r th is th e u p , y o u s a id b e d ro o m I d i d n ' t sa y th e be d ro o m . I e ith e r e v e ry day? th e y had th e money t o . p e o p le w o u ld go i n A c o u ld th e y ? in w it h s a id th e re was — M r. E d w a rd s ? in th e fro n t a lo t of room or th e b a ck room . 19 Q The f r o n t room , okay? 20 A He d i d n ' t l e t no one go i n 21 Q So th e h is b e dro om . f a c t t h a t F la k e s was com in g o v e r and y o u knew 22 g o in g t o be a lo n g c o n v e r s a t io n d i d n ' t mean a n y t h in g , *23 it? 24 A D i d n ' t mean n o t h in g t o me. 25 Q D i d n ' t mean t h a t th e y w ere t a l k i n g a b o u t d ru g s ? it was d id

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GUYTON - 1 A They c o u ld have been. 2 Q They c o u ld have been t a l k i n g 3 A T h a t 's a p o s s i b i l i t y . 4 Q B u t o f y o u r own k n o w le d g e , yo u d o n 't know w h a t a rra n g e m e n ts 5 6 / 672 RECROSS DAVIS M r. A E d w a rd s h a d w i t h F la k e s , a b o u t th e C h ic a g o B u lls ? anyone? y o u kn o w , he w o u ld s e n d fo lk s — w hen p e o p le — 7 when I w o u ld an sw er th e phone on v a r io u s o c c a s io n s , 8 w o u ld t e l l 9 o r d e r , yo u know , p a c k a g e s o r s o m e th in g , he w o u ld s a y go 10 F la k e s , 11 had d ru g s . me t o te ll p e o p le t o so t h a t w o u ld g iv e go t o me th e Q B u t d o n 't know w he re he g o t them fro m ? 13 A M r. E d w a rd s. 14 Q N o, do you know t h a t f o r a f a c t ? MR. BELLA: 16 MR. T R U IT T : 17 18 Q THE COURT: e x a m in a t io n , 20 d is a g r e e w i t h 21 can f o l l o w 23 24 25 T h is is t h e y w o u ld to Y o u r H o n o r. c ro s s e x a m in a t io n . Do yo u know t h a t f o r a f a c t ? 19 22 O b je c tio n , if a s s u m p tio n t h a t F la k e s 12 15 F la k e s he C o u n s e l, y o u h a v e w id e I a g re e t h a t i t ' s la t it u d e . th e w it n e s s . c ro s s B u t you c a n 't You can a sk h im q u e s t io n s , you up. MR. TRUITT: I 'm tr y in g to fo llo w up i f he knows t h a t fo r a fa c t. THE COURT: an sw e r no i s The C o u rt s u s t a in s o rd e re d s t r ic k e n . th e o b j e c t i o n and th e The o t h e r p a r t can go i n .

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GUYTON - 673 RECROSS DAVIS MR. T R U IT T ; 1 2 Q Do y o u know t h a t f o r a fa c t? 3 A Yes. 4 Q How do y o u know t h a t fo r 5 A B e c a u s e when he t e l l me t o . a fa c t? te ll p e o p le to go t o F la k e s , d ru g s fro m , do y o u ? go t o h im , t h a t l e t me know t h a t he h a d d r u g s . 6 7 Q Y o u 'r e 8 A N o, 9 Q You knew t h a t he h a d d ru g s ? 10 A Y es. 11 Q B u t y o u d o n ' t know w h e re he g o t th e 12 A Had t o 13 Q You d o n ' t know t h a t , 14 A W e ll, I a s s u m in g , a r e n 't you? knew t h i s . g e t th e m fr o m h im . if he t o l d do y o u ? me t o te ll th e p e o p le to t h a t 's o b v io u s . 15 16 Q Now, y o u 'r e 17 A N o. 18 Q D id M r. E d w a rd s e v e r t e l l th e re fo re 19 m a k in g an a s s u m p t io n , F la k e s I g a ve F la k e s d r u g s has d ru g s and r e f e r 20 A Y es. 21 Q He t o l d 22 A Yes. 23 Q W e ll, now, 24 A N o, knew — 25 Q P r e v io u s ly yo u t o l d I you, a r e n 't you? p e o p le to so F la k e s ? you th a t? t h a t 's an new — u s M r. a new w r i n k l e , is n 't it? E d w a rd s n e v e r d is c u s s e d b u s in e s s

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GUYTON - 1 w i t h you? 2 When p e o p le 3 go t o 4 d ru g s . c a ll, F la k e s , lik e MR. TRUITT: 5 lik e I 674 FURTHER REDIRECT I say, s a id , if he t o l d t h a t 's Thank y o u , me t o o b v io u s te ll th e m t o t h a t F la k e s h a d I d o n 't have a n y f u r t h e r q u e s t io n s . 6 THE COURT: 7 / 8 R e c ro s s D u r r . MR. MCGRATH: THE COURT: 9 N o t h in g , Y o u r H o n o r. R e c ro s s E d w a rd s. 10 MR. JACKSON: N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. 1 1 THE COURT: R e - r e d i r e c t G o v e rn m e n t. 12 MR. BELLA: Ju st b r ie fly . H o n o r. FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 13 14 15 You w e re a ske d i f L ittle James c a l l e d 16 o r a 3 0 , t h a t c o u ld be f o r h i s A Y e s. 18 Q When o t h e r d ru g c u s to m e rs w o u ld c a l l L ittle 20 was c a l l i n g in Jam es' phone nu m b e r, t h a t was f o r A Y e s. 22 Q N ot fo r L i t t l e 23 A You s a y when o t h e r c u s to m e rs c a l l i n g James t o 24 Jam es' phone n u m b e r, 25 to to and y o u gave o u t th e c u s to m e r who t o g e t d ru g s ? 21 try and o r d e r e d a 20 p e r s o n a l use? 17 19 in g e t d ru g s ? and I g iv e out L ittle t h a t was f o r c u s to m e rs t h a t w o u ld c a l l see M r. E dw ards and he w o u ld n 't s e l l it to th e m .

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675 1 / he w o u ld t e l l th e m t o go t o 2 MR. BELLA: T h a t 'S 3 THE COURT: R e -re c ro s s 4 MR. T R U IT T : 5 THE COURT: 6 MR. Mc Gr a t h ; 7 THE COURT: 8 MR. JACKSON: 9 THE COURT: a ll N o t h in g , I Ja m e s. have. D a v is . Y o u r H o n o r. R e -re c ro s s D u rr. N o t h in g , Y o u r H o n o r. R e -re c ro s s E d w a rd s . N o t h in g , Y o u r H o n o r. You may s t e p d o w n , th a n k y o u . (T h e w it n e s s was e x c u s e d . ) 10 THE COURT: 11 12 L it tle — o r th e C o u n s e l, tr a n s c r ip t , w o u ld y o u r e t r i e v e I 'm th e e x h ib its M r. G u y to n . s o rry . 13 C a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s . 14 MR. BELLA; S p e c ia l A g e n t M ay, Y o u r H o n o r . 15 THE COURT: S p e c ia l A g e n t M ay, y o u may ta k e 16 you r e a liz e y o u 'r e 17 THE WITNESS: 18 THE COURT: 19 th e — to MR. T R U IT T ; 21 MR. Mc Gr a t h ; 22 THE COURT; 24 25 Y es, N o, N o, th e s ta n d , u n d e r o a th . s ir . Do a n y c o u n s e l w a n t me t o r e - s w e a r h im 20 23 s till You may l e a v e , in , I 'm s o rry . Y o u r H o n o r. Y o u r H o n o r. You may be s e a te d . re — r e - g iv e

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MAY - 1 676 DIRECT THEODORE MAY 2 r e c a l l e d as a w itn e s s b y th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g p r e v i o u s ly d u ly sw orn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h in g b u t th e t r u t h , was exa m ine d and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r as f o l l o w s : 3 4 5 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 6 7 Q W i l l yo u s t a t e y o u r name? ' 8 A T h e o d o re May. 9 MR. BELLA: 10 THE COURT: 11 MR. BELLA: 12 Q If I may a p p ro a c h . Y our H onor? You may. S p e c ia l A g e n t May, I show yo u w h a t 's been m a rked f o r 13 p u rp o s e o f i d e n t i f i c a t i o n 14 5 7 , d id yo u p r e p a re 15 A 16 Q as G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t s th o s e c a s s e tte s ? Y e s, I d i d . And yo u t e s t i f i e d d u p lic a te 18 d i d yo u f o l l o w 19 c a s s e tte s and d id yo u make th e 20 th e p r e v io u s c a s s e tte s yo u t e s t i f i e d A T h a t 's r e e ls p r e v i o u s ly a b o u t p r e p a r in g c a s s e t t e s 17 21 56 and fro m th e T i t l e III w ir e in te r c e p tio n fro m o rd e r; th e same p ro c e d u re s when yo u p r e p a r e d th e s e same d e t e r m in a t io n s as t o a b o u t? c o rre c t. 22 THE COURT: C o u n s e l, w h ic h 23 MR. BELLA: 56 and 5 7 . 24 THE COURT: 25 MR. TRUITT: Thank — w h ic h num bers a re th e s e ? you. C ro s s D a v is . N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. T h a t 's a l l I have.

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MCINTOSH - 1 THE COURT: 2 MR. McGr a t h : 3 THE COURT: 4 MR. JACKSON: 5 THE COURT: 6 C ro s s D u r r . N o th in g . C ro s s E d w a rd s . N o th in g , Y our H o n o r. You may s t e p d o w n . (The w itn e s s was e x c u s e d .) 7 / 677 DIRECT MR. BELLA: 8 w it n e s s . 9 s m a lle r . 10 I have THE COURT: 11 speak d i r e c t l y 12 e v e ry b o d y i n Y o u r H o n o r, W i l l i e M c In to s h is th e next a n o th e r s e t o f t r a n s c r i p t s , q u ite a b it P le a s e be s e a te d , c h a ir up, in to p u ll yo u r th e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t th e c o u rtro o m may h e a r . 13 MR. BELLA: If 14 THE COURT: You may. 15 I may a p p ro a c h . Y o u r H onor? W IL L IE MCINTOSH 16 c a l l e d as a w itn e s s b y th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u ly sw o rn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h in g b u t th e t r u t h , was e xa m in e d and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s : 17 18 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 19 20 Q W ould y o u s t a t e 21 A 22 Q 23 A M - c - I- N - T - O - S - H . 24 Q And w h a t c i t y 25 A G a ry . W illie y o u r name, p le a s e ? M c In to s h . And w o u ld y o u s p e l l y o u r l a s t name, do y o u l i v e in , s ir ? s ir ?

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MCINTOSH - ^ 1 Q M r. M c In to s h , do yo u know Lee Edwards? 2 A Y e s, 3 Q And can yo u t e l l us how you know him ? 4 A W e ll, 5 / I do. g o in g b a ck q u i t e 6 Q 7 A Y e s, 8 Q W hat i s A 10 Q 11 12 O kay. yo u know , good w h ile a b it. I do. W e ll, th a t? he was s e l l i n g d ru g s . And have yo u e v e r p a r t i c i p a t e d w i t h h im s e l l i n g d ru g s as f a r as a n s w e rin g th e phone o r m e e tin g p e o p le ? A Y e s, I have. MR. BELLA: 14 THE COURT: 15 MR. BELLA: Q M r. M c In to s h , If I may a p p ro a c h th e w it n e s s . I 'm g o in g t o show yo u w h a t 's been m a rked as G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t 56 and 57 and ask i f 18 b e fo r e ? y o u 'v e 19 A YeS/ 20 Q And have y o u l i s t e n e d 21 A Y e s. 22 Q A re th e s e c o p ie s — a re th e s e c o n v e r s a tio n s seen th o s e I have. 23 p a r tic ip a te d 24 s a le s ? A Y o u r H on or? You may. 17 25 back, And do yo u know w h a t M r. Edw ards does? 13 16 a w h ile , y o u know , fro m h im b e in g a ro u n d q u i t e 9 678 DIRECT By l i s t e n i n g to th e s e ? in o v e r M r. E d w a rd s ' to th e m , y e s . Y e s, t h a t yo u te le p h o n e c o n c e r n in g d r u g I d id .

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1 MR. BELLA: 2 MCINTOSH - DIRECT Y o u r H o n o r, I move 679 to E x h i b i t s 56 and 5 7 . . 3 THE COURT; 4 MR. T R U IT T ; 5 MR. McGRATH; No o b j e c t i o n . 6 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 7 THE COURT; 8 a d m it G o v e r n m e n t's A n y o b je c t i o n ? No o b j e c t i o n , They a re Y o u r H o n o r. b o th a d m it t e d . (G o v e rn m e n t E x h i b i t N um bers 56 a n d 57 w e re a d m it t e d i n t o e v id e n c e . ) 9 10 11 MR. BELLA; Q 12 13 M r. M c I n t o s h , I 'l l A I 'm g o in g h a v e some q u e s t io n s to a s k t h a t th e s e be p la y e d a n d f o r yo u a b o u t th e s e , okay? O kay. 14 MR. MAY; 15 T h is is E x h ib it 56. (G o v e rn m e n t E x h i b i t Num ber 5 6 , an a u d io r e c o r d i n g , was p la y e d i n o p e n c o u r t . ) ta p e 16 17 Q 18 M r. M c I n t o s h , w h e re w e re y o u a t w hen y o u a n s w e re d t h a t p h o n e , o r when y o u t a lk e d on t h a t phone? 19 A 4 th and T a f t P la c e . 20 Q 21 A Lee E d w a r d s '. 22 Q Now, t h i s And i n y o u r o p in io n , whose r e s id e n c e p e rs o n c a l l i n g in 24 A 25 Q It mean a b o u t 4 0 , h a l f a d i p o f w h ite ? $50 w o r th o f h e r o in . A b o u t how much d id yo u say? th a t? s a id th e y w a n te d h a l f a d i p o f w h i t e ; w h a t does t h a t mean t o y o u , 23 is

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MCINTOSH - 1 A A b o u t $40 w o r t h . 2 Q ^hat — w hy a l l 3 p la c e to 4 w h o 's c a llin g th is c o n v e r s a t io n m e e t som ew here? in to ju s t 680 DIRECT in Was i t tr y in g p o s s ib l e come d i r e c t l y to to s e t up a fo r th is th e house? 5 A N o. 6 Q Why i s 7 A W e ll, 8 Q When y o u s a y he d i d n ' t w a n t a n y o n e c o m in g t h e r e th a t? he d i d n ' t w a n t n o b o d y c o m in g t h e r e d i d n ' t k n o w , who a r e y o u t a l k i n g 9 p e rs o n he d i d n ' t k n o w . t h a t he a b o u t? 10 A N e e n ie W h it e . 11 Q When y o u s a y h e , who a r e y o u t a l k i n g 12 A Lee E d w a rd s . 13 Q Lee E d w a rd s d i d n ' t w a n t a n y o n e c o m in g b y h i s a b o u t? h o u s e t h a t he d i d n ' t know? 14 15 A R ig h t. 16 Q So y o u 'd have t o make a rra n g e m e n ts t o m eet som ewhere e ls e ? 17 A Y e s. 18 Q A nd t h i s 19 a s k in g 20 d id m e e tin g t h a t Lee s e t u p som ew here e l s e , som eone t o b r in g it sh e mean when she s a id o u t to me, w h a t i n can yo u b r in g 21 A She w a n te d som ebody t o 22 Q And b y b r in g i n g 23 A To b r in g i n g 24 Q Now, M r. M c In to s h , yo u w ere c h a rg e d i n 25 it, b r in g it to it N e e n ie y o u r o p in io n o u t to me? h e r. w h a t a re y o u r e f e r r i n g to ? th e h e r o in . Count 3 o f t h is in d ic t m e n t a lo n g w i t h M r. G u y to n , M r. E d w a rd s , M r. D a v is ,

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MCINTOSH - 1 Ms. D u rr and o t h e r d e fe n d a n ts w i t h 2 o r c o n s p ir a c y t o v i o l a t e 3 r ig h t? 4 A 5 Q 6 A 7 Q th e c rim e o f c o n s p ir in g d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g la w s , And y o u p le d g u i l t y to And i n th a t co u n t in e xch ang e f o r t h a t g u i l t y 9 s e n te n c in g g u id e lin e s th e in d ic t m e n t ? p le a , th e G o ve rnm ent a g re e d recommend f o r you a m inim um s e n te n c e u n d e r th e r e m a in in g c h a rg e s 11 A R ig h t . 12 Q And i n t h a t a p p ly t o y o u and d is m is s a n y a g a in s t y o u , e xch ang e f o r t h a t , 13 te s t if y in g 14 t r ia l, tr u t h f u lly if is th a t r ig h t? you a g re e d t o c o o p e r a te b y c a l l e d upon t o do so i n A T h a t 's 16 Q A ll r ig h t. r ig h t. M r. M c In to s h , when y o u w o u ld ta k e t h i s 17 yo u w o u ld t a l k 18 make th e s e a rra n g e m e n ts , w h a t w o u ld yo u g e t f o r to th e s e d ru g 19 A A s m a ll p o r t i o n o f d r u g s . 20 Q And w h e re w o u ld y o u g e t t h a t 21 A 24 25 a c r im in a l is th a t r ig h t? 15 23 th a t Y es. to 22 is Y e s. 8 10 681 DIRECT or when c u s to m e rs on th e phone and p o r tio n th a t? o f d ru g s fro m ? From Lee E d w a rd s . MR. BELLA: O kay. L e t 's p la y th e seco nd b i t of c o n v e r s a t io n MR. MAY: E x h i b i t 57 . (G o v e rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 5 7 , an a u d io ta p e r e c o r d in g , was p la y e d i n open c o u r t . )

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MCINTOSH - 682 DIRECT 1 MR. BELLA: 2 3 Q 4 O kay. M r. M c In to s h , ta lk e d on th e 5 A R ig h t. 6 Q A nd who i s 7 A L e e 's w i f e . 8 Q Now, a t t h e c a llin g 9 L o rri b e g in n in g b e tw e e n Lee a n d t h e 12 th e phone a lo t ? 13 A D id he w h a t? 14 Q D id he l i k e o f th e fo r h e r, to N o, d i d n ' t ta lk ta lk E d w a rd s r ig h t? c o n v e r s a tio n , and a s k in g to on i t th e do i t c u s to m e r was th e about i f Lee c o u ld k e p t g o in g b a c k a n d f o r t h and L o r r i D id Lee E d w a rd s e v e r t a l k c u s to m e r . w o u ld he h a v e o t h e r s th e s e p e o p le ? He w o u ld t a l k but not phone a l o t to on Or f o r h im ? v e r y m u ch . v e r y m u ch . 17 18 th a t o r D e b b ie was c a l l i n g 11 A is L o rri E d w a rd s? do s o m e th in g 15 t h a t c o n v e r s a t io n p h on e f i r s t , 10 16 in Q 19 N o t v e r y m u ch . How w o u ld he c o m m u n ic a te w i t h t h a t w o u ld c a l l in 20 A T h ro u g h — 21 Q H e 'd h a v e o t h e r s 22 A Y es. 23 Q Now, th is 24 ta lk e d 25 fa v o r th e n t h r o u g h who — ta lk he w o u l d n 't t a l k phone p e r s o n w a n te d h im t o g o in g to on th e p e o p le phone? w h o e v e r was o v e r t h e r e . on th e a b o u t m oney t h a t is if th e s e h im ? do h e r a f a v o r . she o w e d . be g r a n t e d , fo r th a t a n d she Who d e c id e s w h e th e r a is t h a t som eone w i l l get

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MCINTOSH - 1 d r u g s on c r e d i t lik e 2 A Lee d o e s . 3 Q C o u ld a n y o n e e ls e 4 A N o. 5 Q O n ly Lee? 6 A Y es. 7 Q A ls o to 8 th a t? d e c id e in y o u as W i l l i e 10 Q You s a id w a tc h i t ? 11 A Yes. 12 Q A nd a n o t h e r t im e y o u t o l d d o n 't l i k e 14 A R ig h t. 15 Q Why d i d 16 A B ecause I to to y o u s a y th o s e knew i t b u s in e s s d o in g A N o. 20 Q A nd w hen y o u s a y y o u knew i t 24 25 W illie , I and I h a d no it. 19 w h a t w e re y o u d o in g 23 I 'm was w ro n g w h a t I was d o in g You d i d n ' t w a n t t o T a k in g d r u g s , som eone e ls e t h in g s ? Q A so m ebody r e f e r r e d s a y my l a s t name? 18 22 y o u s a id M c In to s h ? Yes. 21 do t h a t ? t h a t phone c o n v e r s a tio n , A 17 to To my k n o w le d g e . 9 13 683 DIRECT id e n tify y o u r s e l f o v e r th e phone? was w ro n g w h a t y o u w e re d o in g , t h a t was w ro n g ? m e e tin g p e o p le to — you know , to f e e d my h a b it. Q Now, y o u s a y t o h a b it? fe e d y o u r h a b i t , how w o u ld it fe e d y o u r

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MCINTOSH - 684 DIRECT 1 A I w o u ld g e t d ru g s i n 2 Q Who w o u ld d i r e c t you as t o w h e th e r you c o u ld ta k e th e d ru g s 3 4 o u t to A 5 W e ll, th e p e o p le r e t u r n and do the m . o r n o t? Lee w o u ld ask me w o u ld I ta k e i t o u t , y o u know , t o th e m . 6 Q D id y o u do t h a t on y o u r own w i t h o u t L e e 's 7 A N o. 8 Q W here w o u ld th e 9 th e d ir e c t io n ? . d ru g s come fr o m t h a t y o u w o u ld t a k e o u t to p e o p le ? 10 A Come fro m L e e . 11 Q And when th e p e o p le w o u ld p a y f o r th e d r u g s , w h e re w o u ld 12 th e money t o go? 13 A W ould go t o 14 Q Now, yo u t e s t i f i e d 15 A Y es, I do . 16 Q W o u ld y o u e v e r — who w o u ld make u p th e s e 17 L e e 's Lee. y o u use d ru g s y o u r s e lf ? d ru g p a c k e ts at house? 18 A He — 19 Q W o u ld y o u see h im m a k in g th e m up s o m e tim e s ? 20 A W e ll, 21 Q D id y o u see e q u ip m e n t t h a t he w o u ld use t o make up th e s e 22 I have, make th e m u p . I have. Y es, D id y o u se e — I have saw h im make them u p . p a c k e ts ? 23 A 24 Q 25 Lee w o u ld Y e s. And w h a t w o u ld he u s e , w he re w o u ld he g e t th e d ru g s fro m and w h a t w o u ld he use t o make up th e p a c k e ts ?

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MCINTOSH - 1 A W e ll/ 2 Q A g la s s , 3 A L it tle 4 Q A nd w o u ld y o u e v e r o b s e r v e w h a t k i n d 5 he w o u ld u s e a s m a ll b le n d e r , w h a t k in d o f g la s s 685 DIRECT s c a le , and a g la s s . a re you t a l k in g a b o u t? ro u n d c l e a r g la s s . g e t th e d r u g s o u t o f? s m a ll b a g , 6 A A lit tle 7 Q A n y o t h e r k in d s lit tle b it ty o f c o n t a i n e r he w o u ld s m a ll p l a s t i c bag. o f c o n t a in e r s . t h a t he w o u ld h a v e t h e d ru g s in ? 8 9 A Y es, lit tle 10 Q O ra n g e p l a s t i c 11 A Y es. 12 Q W o u ld t h a t h a v e a l i d 13 A Yes, 14 Q A nd c o u ld y o u i n d i c a t e it p la s t ic 15 in 17 o ra n g e p l a s t i c b o w l. b o w l? on i t w o u ld h a v e a l i d , b o w l w it h Y o u 'r e 16 o ra n g e — th e in d ic a tin g o r n o t? p la s t ic lid , a b o u t how b i g lid th is little o ra n g e is ? a b o u t tw o a n d a h a l f , th r e e in c h e s d ia m e te r ? 18 A Y es. 19 Q A nd w h e re w o u ld Lee m ix u p th e s e 20 A W e ll, he w o u ld be on th e flo o r in d ru g s ? th e p o rc h . 21 w h ite . 22 Q On th e flo o r on th e b a ck p o rc h ? 23 A Yes. 24 Q W o u ld he s i t on th e flo o r 25 A Y es. and do t h i s ? b a c k on t h e back

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MCINTOSH - 1 Q T h e se t h i n g s 2 th e lid , 3 th o s e ? th in k t h a t he w o u ld u s e , th is in b le n d e r and th e 4 A I 5 Q In 6 A Y es. 7 Q A nd w h e re w o u ld t h a t be? 8 A W here w o u ld i t 9 Q W here w o u ld th e a b la c k a b la c k th is s c a le , o ra n g e c o n ta in e r w it h w h e re w o u ld he k e e p bag. bag? . be? b la c k b a g be t h e n , w h e re w o u ld he u s u a l l y keep th a t? 10 11 A S ittin g 12 Q O r w h e re he w o u ld make up th e 13 A Y es. 14 Q W o u ld he make u p th e on t h e flo o r b y h im o r e i t h e r d ru g s in in h is b e d ro o m . d ru g s ? h is b e d ro o m o r t h e back p o rc h ? 15 16 A On th e 17 Q You o b s e r v e d how b i g 18 A A b o u t a f o o t and a h a l f back p o rc h . d ia m e t e r , 19 20 686 DIRECT Q th is b la c k lo n g to bag i s , tw o f o o t . M aybe a f o o t y o u kn o w . Now, y o u t e s t i f i e d t h a t you used d ru g s y o u r s e lf , r ig h t? 21 do y o u r e c a l l ? 22 A Y es. 23 Q W here w o u ld y o u g e t y o u r 24 A W here w o u ld I 25 Q W here w o u ld y o u g e t y o u r d r u g s fro m ? w h a t? d r u g s fro m ? is th a t in

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MCINTOSH - DIRECT 687 1 A I 'd g e t th e m fr o m 2 Q I 'm s o rry ? 3 A I 4 Q A n d w h a t o t h e r p la c e s w o u ld y o u g e t th e 5 A I 6 Lee o r o t h e r p la c e s . w o u ld g e t th e m fr o m used to Lee o r e i t h e r b u y th e m o f f th e o t h e r p la c e s . d ru g s s t r e e t o r g e t th e m fr o m F la k e s o r P o n d e ro s a . 7 Q How w o u ld y o u know t o 8 A I w o u ld — 9 and, a lo t yo u know , g e t d ru g s o f t im e s I fr o m F la k e s o r P o n d e ro s a ? I w o u ld be b y t h e r e , so m ebody w o u ld s e n d me o v e r t h e r e . You k n o w , 11 g o , w hoever in go. th e house t e l l 12 Q W hoever i s 13 A In 14 Q T h e y w o u ld s e n d y o u t o 15 A Y es. 16 in yo u know , know t h e y w o u ld h a v e th e m o r e i t h e r 10 17 fro m ? me t o te ll me t o w h a t house? L e e 's h o u s e . Or e it h e r I F la k e s o r P o n d e ro s a ? j u s t go b y a n d c h e c k a n d se e d i d th e y h a v e th e m . Q 18 W hat i s F la k e s y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g r e la t io n s h ip b e tw e e n a n d Lee? 19 A W e ll, 20 Q S e llin g 21 A Yes. 22 Q A nd y o u 'v e 23 o f th e F la k e s was s e l l i n g o f th e fo r A W e ll, 25 Q S e llin g re fe rre d to P o n d e r o s a ; w h a t 's y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g b e tw e e n P o n d e ro s a a n d Lee? she was s e l l i n g fo r h im . Lee? r e la t io n s h ip 24 fo r to o . Lee as w e l l ?

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MCINTOSH - 688 CROSS DAVIS 1 A Y e s. 2 Q P o n d e ro s a ; do yo u know w h a t h e r r e a l name is ? 3 A No. 4 Q You know h e r as P ond ero sa? 5 A Y e s. 6 Q Where — w h a t lo c a t i o n s w o u ld y o u go t o , to see F la k e s exam ple? 7 8 A 4 th and T y l e r . 9 Q T y le r S t r e e t ? 10 A 3 rd and T y l e r , y e s , 11 Q 3 th and T y le r ? 12 A U h -h u h . 13 Q W hat a b o u t P o n d e ro sa ? 14 A 2 1 s t and H a ye s. 15 Q When yo u g o t d ru g s fro m F la k e s o r P o n d e ro s a , w h e re d id th in k 16 17 A on th e c o r n e r . th o s e d ru g s o r i g i n a l l y w ere com in g fro m ? From L e e . 18 MR. BELLA; Thank y o u , 19 THE COURT; C ro s s D a v is a ll i have. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. TRUITT; 20 21 22 t h a t 's Q M r. M c In to s h , y o u i n d ic a t e d t h a t you w ere u s in g d ru g s y o u r s e lf ? 23 24 A Y e s. 25 Q How much d ru g s w ere y o u u s in g on a d a i l y b a s is ?

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MCINTOSH - 1 A As much as c o u ld I g e t a h o ld o f , 3 Q A 20 o r a 30 o r — 4 A 20, 5 Q And t h a t w o u ld be a d a i l y dosage f o r you? 6 A Y e s, u h -h u h . 30 o r m o re , y o u know , 7 9 if I MR. TR U ITT: Thank y o u , THE COURT: C ro s s D a v is . 10 MR. MCGRATH: 11 THE COURT: 12 MR. JACKSON: c o u ld g e t i t . t h a t 's a ll th e q u e s tio n s I I 'm s o rry , c ro s s D u r r . No q u e s t io n s . Y o u r H o n o r. C ro s s E d w a rd s. Thank y o u , Y o u r H o n o r. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. JACKSON: 13 14 Q M r. M c In to s h , d id y o u t a l k to anybody p r io r to co m in g i n t o c o u r t to d a y a b o u t y o u r te s tim o n y ? 16 17 A N o. 18 Q And y o u d i d n ' t t a l k 19 A I 20 Q O kay. 21 A He t o l d ta lk e d t o M r. B e lla ? t o h im u p s t a i r s . W hat d i d y o u tw o t a l k a b o u t? me t h a t th e y w o u ld come and g e t me. T o ld me t o a n sw e r t r u t h f u l l y . 22 Q O kay. D id yo u t a l k a b o u t th e c o n te n t o r c o n t e x t o f w h a t y o u w e re g o in g t o be s a y in g to d a y ? 24 25 h a rd t o have. 8 23 I t 's yo u know . say. 2 15 689 CROSS EDWARDS A No.

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MCINTOSH - 1 Q T a lk t o an y FBI a g e n ts ? 2 A I 3 spoke t o tw o o u t s id e som ebody, you know , th e tw o - I 4 Q How lo n g ago? 5 A P r io r to 6 690 I th in k it was spoke t o . com in g — you know , p r i o r to com in g i n t o h e re I th in k . 7 Q W hat d id yo u t a l k 8 A S ittin g 9 10 CROSS EDWARDS to them a b o u t? a ro u n d a s k in g me how I 'm d o in g . yo u know . t h a t 's a ll. Q 11 Has a n yb o d y r e fr e s h e d y o u r memory a b o u t w h a t o c c u r r e d b a c k in 1990? 12 A N o, n o . 13 Q O kay. 14 A N o. 15 Q — y o u j u s t h e a rd ? Back i n tim e when th e ta p e was — 16 You e v e r been a r r e s t e d b e fo r e ? 17 MR. BELLA; O b je c t io n t o 18 THE COURT; S u s ta in e d . 19 MR. JACKSON; th a t. 20 Q How lo n g have y o u been u s in g d ru g s ? 21 A 20 y e a r s o r m o re . 22 Q 20? 23 A 20 o r m o re . 24 Q W hat ty p e o f d ru g s do you use? 25 A H e r o in and c o k e , c o c a in e , Y our H o n o r. and a l c o h o l .

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MCINTOSH - 1 Q C o n s id e r y o u r s e l f an a lc o h o lic ? 2 A Y e s. 3 Q 4 A Y e s, 5 Q O kay. 6 A Just got out o f 7 Q How many tim e s have y o u 8 A 9 You c o n s id e r y o u r s e l f a d d ic te d t o h e r o in and c o c a in e ? I 'm I 'v e an a d d i c t . A re yo u i n been in re h a b r i g h t now? re h a b . been, i n re hab ? re h a b a t l e a s t a b o u t f o u r or fiv e tim e s . Maybe s i x . 10 Q When was th e l a s t tim e 11 A The l a s t tim e 12 13 691 CROSS EDWARDS yo u used? I use d was b e fo r e I w ent in re h a b , tw o d a y s b e fo re . Q 14 O kay. You d i d n ' t use my d ru g s p r i o r to co m in g i n h e re to d a y , d id you? 15 A 16 Q 17 No. Back i n 1 9 9 0 , th e ta p e we h e a rd , how h e a v i l y w e re y o u u s in g th e phone c o n v e r s a t io n , b a ck th e n ? 18 A As much as I c o u ld g e t . 19 Q A g a in how much w o u ld t h a t be i n a day? 20 A Oh, i t was h a rd t o 21 know , 22 j u s t — y o u know , 23 $50, s a y b e c a u s e , yo u know , I w o u ld n 't be s p e n d in g money f o r if I 'd I w o u ld g e t , 24 Q W ould 25 A Y e s, b u t I sa y a b o u t 40 o r , yo u know . t h a t be enough t o g e t y o u s to n e d ? s till be w a n tin g some m o re . I w o u ld n 't it, y o u know . yo u know , — you I was 35, 40,

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MCINTOSH - 1 Q So t h a t am ount yo u c o u ld f e e l th e e f f e c t s ? 2 A Y e s. 3 Q Were yo u d r i n k i n g d u r in g t h a t tim e ? 4 A Y e s. 5 Q Were yo u g e t t i n g 6 A W e ll, d ru n k d u r in g t h a t tim e ? I n e v e r d id g e t d r u n k . Q j u s t d r in k B u t th e ta p e s we j u s t h e a rd w i t h y o u r v o ic e 10 A I 11 Q I n y o u r o p in io n do — b a ck i n d id n 't on t h e r e , you p r o b a b ly — I p r o b a b ly was w a i t i n g to 1 9 9 0 , d id g e t some. th o s e d ru g s ha ve an e f f e c t on y o u r m ind? 12 A I know i t have e f f e c t on my m in d , 14 As f a r — 15 s o m e th in g g o t t o be w ro n g w i t h me. 16 a lo t; w e re u s in g d ru g s a t t h a t tim e ? 9 13 I g e t d ru n k . 7 8 692 CROSS EDWARDS Q So y o u 'r e I 'm I mean y o u go o u t and k i l l n o t in th e same s t a t e a lm o s t s u re i t m y s e lf , I do. got — o f m ind as y o u w e re b a c k th e n ? 17 18 A I d o n 't know . 19 Q Now, w i t h tw o t a l k 20 I m ig h t be i n re s p e c t to a b e tte r s ta te . F la k e s and L e e , d id y o u e v e r see th o s e t o g e th e r ? 21 A Y es. 22 Q Now, y o u have been c h a rg e d u n d e r th e in d ic t m e n t w h ic h w e 'r e h e re on to d a y , h a v e n 't you? 23 24 A Y e s. 25 Q W h a t's th e p o s s ib le maximum s e n te n c e t h a t y o u w e re f a c in g

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MCINTOSH - 1 p r io r to th is p le a a g re e m e n t? 2 A I 'm 3 Q You had an a t t o r n e y ? 4 A Y e s. 5 Q You do have an a t t o r n e y c u r r e n t l y ? 6 A Y e s. 7 Q O kay. n o t s u re . We t a lk e d a b o u t i t , And t h i s a t t o r n e y d is c u s s e d , w i t h y o u th e p o s s ib le 9 A Y e s, he d i d . 10 Q And when fa c e d w i t h 11 A Y e s , u h -h u h . 13 Q O kay. And i n c o o p e r a t io n , 14 p r is o n f o r y o u r o ffe n s e ? U h -h u h . a g re e m e n t w i t h 12 b u t I d i d n ' t , y o u know . D id you have a a t t o r n e y ? tim e y o u c o u ld do i n 8 693 CROSS EDWARDS th a t, d id y o u e n t e r i n t o a p le a th e G overnm ent? exch ang e f o r c o o p e r a t io n , y o u 'r e p r o m is in g c o rre c t? 15 A Y e s. 16 Q I n e xch a n g e f o r t h a t , y o u 'r e g o in g t o have a re d u c e d s e n te n c e , a r e n ' t you? 17 18 A Y es, h o p e f u lly . 19 Q O kay. Has y o u r a t t o r n e y r e p r e s e n te d t o y o u th e tim e y o u 'r e lo o k in g a t d o in g now? 20 21 A Say t h a t a g a in . 22 Q O ka y. Has y o u r a t t o r n e y s a id t h a t w it h o u t c o o p e r a t io n 23 y o u 'r e g o in g t o g e t 20 y e a r s , w i t h 24 to 25 A g e t some o t h e r f ig u r e ? N o, he d i d n ' t s a y t h a t . c o o p e r a tio n y o u 'r e g o in g

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MCINTOSH - 1 Q O kay. B u t y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g lig h te r 2 A W e ll, 4 Q O kay. 5 A I t 's 6 Q But i t 's n o t r e a lly . B ut is up to I u n d e r s ta n d — it 's up t o th e H o p e fu lly . 9 Q I b e lie v e in 11 A W h a t's 12 Q Y o u r p le a y o u 'r e to r e c e iv e th e th o u g h , Judge. th a t — to g e t a re d u c e d M r. B e lla , you s ta te d g e t th e m inim u m s e n te n c e ? th a t? a g re e m e n t a g a in is s ta tin g c o rre c t, I guess s o , I up t o g o in g t h e m in im u m s e n te n c e , — it 's y o u r e x a m in a t io n w i t h y o u w e re g o in g A to . A 13 g o in g Judge. s e n te n c e ? 10 y o u 'r e t h a t y o u r u n d e r s t a n d in g , a p o s s ib ility 8 14 is s e n te n c e b e c a u s e o f y o u r c o o p e r a t io n ? 3 7 694 CROSS EDWARDS guess. Y es, I y o u 'r e u n d e r th e I g o in g to have g u i d e li n e s ? d o n 't know . I 'm not s u re . 15 16 Q W e ll, you t o ld 17 A Yes. W e ll, have th e 18 M r. B e lla th a t w h a t I u n d e r s ta n d la s t t h a t 's it 's Q O kay. D id y o u s ig n 20 A Yes. 21 Q A nd y o u r e a d a n d u n d e r s to o d t h e a p le a a g re e m e n t w hen y o u s ig n e d 23 A Y es, u h -h u h . 24 Q Now, d i d 25 A N o. M r. up t o case? th e Judge. say. 19 22 th e E d w a rd s h i r e a g re e m e n t? it, you? c o n te n ts d i d n 't you? o f t h a t p le a He a

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MCINTOSH - 1 Q D id he i n t e r v i e w 2 A N o. 3 Q D id he g iv e 4 A N o. 5 Q D id he w i t h h o l d yo u ? you a pay check? any ta x e s been tr a n s f e r r e d 6 to fo r a n y m o n ie s t h a t c o u ld h a v e you? 7 A N o , he d i d n ' t . 8 Q How lo n g h a v e y o u know n Lee? 9 A A good 20 y e a rs o r 1 9 , y e s , . 10 MR. JACKSON: 11 THE COURT: I a ro u n d 20 y e a r s m aybe. h a v e n o t h in g fu rth e r. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 13 Q M r. M c I n t o s h , d e liv e r e d 15 c o u ld y o u h a v e ta k e n A N o. 17 Q Who w o u ld h a v e t o 18 A Lee E d w a rd s . 19 Q Do y o u see M r. 20 A Y es, 21 Q A nd c o u ld y o u p o i n t o u t w h e re he i s 25 d ru g o rd e rs or d i r e c t yo u as f a r E d w a rd s i n th e as d o in g c o u r tr o o m th a t? to d a y ? do. and d e s c r ib e w h a t 's he w e a r in g ? 22 24 I th e s e th e s e d r u g s on y o u r own? 16 23 Y o u r H o n o r. R e d i r e c t G o v e rn m e n t. 12 14 695 REDIRECT A W e a r in g a p u r p l e MR. BELLA: w it n e s s s w e a te r a n d a b lu e s h ir t . Y o u r H o n o r, w o u ld th e has id e n t i f i e d th e re c o rd r e fle c t th e d e fe n d a n t Lee A n d re w E d w a rd s .

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MCINTOSH - 1 THE 2 MR. JACKSON: 3 THE 4 MR. BELLA: 5 Q 6 REDIRECT 696 COURT; A ny o b je c t io n ? No o b j e c t i o n . COURT; So i n d ic a t e d . You in d ic a t e d yo u saw F la k e s come o v e r t o M r. E d w a rd s ' house? 7 A W hat was t h a t ? 8 Q You saw F la k e s come o v e r t o M r. E d w a rd s '? 9 A Y e s, u h -h u h . 10 Q And w h a t i s 11 . your u n d e r s ta n d in g as t o why he was c o m in g o v e r th e r e ? 12 A To p ic k up h i s p a c k a g e . 13 Q And d i d y o u e v e r o b s e rv e how many p a c k e ts F la k e s w o u ld p ic k 14 up when he w o u ld come o v e r th e r e ? 15 A N o, n o t r e a l l y . 16 Q Anyone e ls e 17 lik e F la k e s t h a t y o u w o u ld o b s e rv e come o v e r t h e r e and p ic k up p a c k e ts ? you know . 18 A P o n d e ro s a m aybe, 19 Q P o n d e ro s a w o u ld do th e 20 A Y e s. 21 Q D id y o u 22 A Who? 23 Q L i t t l e James? 24 A 25 I see L i t t l e know o f L i t t l e same t h i n g as F la k e s ? James o v e r t h e r e as w e ll? Jam es, b u t I n e v e r was o v e r t h e r e when he r e a l l y was o v e r t h e r e .

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MCINTOSH - 1 Q 2 I 'm 697 REDIRECT s o r r y f y o u w o u ld n 't be o v e r th e r e a t th e he? 3 A No. 4 Q I see. A nd F la k e s a n d P o n d e ro s a w o u ld go o v e r t o 5 t h e i r p a c k e ts , y o u w o u ld a ls o be d i r e c t e d 6 p ic k up d ru g s y o u r s e lf ? 7 A Y e s, y e s . 8 Q B y p e o p le 9 A Y e s. 10 Q By p e o p le i n 11 A 12 Y e s. If to p ic k go t o up them t o — I M r. E d w a rd s ' house? come i n , yes, th e y w o u ld t e l l me t o go see i f th e y have a n y t h in g . 13 MR. BE LLA ; 14 the 15 MR. T R U IT T ; Thank y o u , COURT; N o t h in g , the COURT; 17 MR. MCGRATH; 18 THE COURT; 19 MR. JACKSON; 20 THE COURT; 21 s ir , I h a v e n o t h in g fu rth e r. R e c ro s s D a v is . 15 22 same tim e as Y o u r H o n o r. R e c ro s s D u r r . N o t h in g . R e c ro s s E d w a rd s. N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. You may s te p down, th a n k y o u f o r c o m in g . (The w itn e s s was e x c u s e d .) THE COURT; L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n , I th in k it's it's 23 m in u te s a f t e r t e n , a good tim e 24 o u r m id m o rn in g b r e a k . 25 C o u rt gave yo u b e f o r e ; do n o t d is c u s s t h i s a b o u t 18 f o r us to ta k e Remember th e a d m o n itio n t h a t th e ca se among

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698 1 y o u r s e lv s s , do n o t p e r m i t a n y o n e t o 2 in 3 a n y o p in i o n 4 you. y o u r p re s e n c e . on t h i s H o w e v e r, 5 6 to 7 fo llo w It is y o u r d u ty n o t to case u n t i l b e fo re d is c u s s it yo u le a v e , t h e M a r s h a l who w i l l ta k e is fo r m f in a lly p a ss th e th e m . it w it h you o r o r e x p re s s s u b m it t e d tr a n s c r ip t s A nd w i t h th a t, to down y o u may th e M a r s h a l u p s t a i r s . (T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d fr o m t h e c o u r t r o o m , a n d th e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d , r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s . ) 8 9 THE COURT: 10 11 to a d d re s s 12 b re a k ? th e You may be s e a te d . C o u r t a b o u t b e f o r e we ta k e 13 MR. T R U IT T : 14 MR. MCGRATH: N o t h in g , 15 MR. JACKSON: N o t h in g . 16 MR. BELLA: N o t h in g , C o u rt e a r lie r t h a t th e re 18 I 19 a s s i s t me a t c o u n s e l t a b l e . 20 w it n e s s o u r m id m o r n in g Y o u r H o n o r. I a n tic ip a te was one w it n e s s r e q u e s t p e r m is s io n c o u n s e l w is h Y o u r H o n o r. Y o u r H o n o r, 17 w o u ld A n y t h in g to a — in I to ld th e p a r tic u la r th a t h a v e S p e c ia l A g e n t B a lb o I e x p e c t to h e a r fr o m th a t to d a y . 21 THE COURT: T h is m o r n in g o r 22 MR. BELLA: T h is m o r n in g , 23 w it n e s s . 24 w it n e s s , 25 A g e n t B a lb o h a s p a r t i c u l a r th is a fte rn o o n ? p r o b a b ly a f t e r S p e c ia l A g e n t May h a d n o t h in g I d o n 't t h in k he's to th e next do w i t h th is e v e n m e t th e w i t n e s s . k n o w le d g e c o n c e r n in g th e S p e c ia l

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699 1 w it n e s s . 2 THE COURT: 3 MR. McGRATH: 4 MR. T R U IT T : 5 MR. JACKSON: 6 THE COURT: 7 S p e c ia l A g e n t May f o r 8 9 A n y o b je c t i o n s ? 10 No o b j e c t i o n . t h a t w it n e s s V e ry w e ll. th a t I THE COURT: 11 No o b j e c t i o n . You may s u b s t i t u t e MR. BELLA: r e q u e s tin g No o b j e c t i o n . THE COURT: 13 a b o u t b e f o r e we c a l l back. The C o u r t 's one a s s i s t a n t . A n y t h in g th e ta k e n .) c o u n s e l w is h ju r y 14 MR. T R U IT T : 15 MR. McGRATH: 16 THE COURT C a l l th e 17 MR. BELLA: Y o u r H o n o r, 18 THE COURT M r. N o t h in g , to a d d re s s th e C o u rt down? Y o u r H o n o r. N o. ju r y . B e lla , I 'm — y o u 'r e g o in g to have to speak fa s te r. 20 MR. BELLA: 21 p e r m is s io n 22 w it n e s s e s 23 b r in g 24 is 25 f lip - f lo p fo r one a s s i s t a n t ? ( T h e r e was a r e c e s s 12 19 and th e n Y o u r H o n o r. j u s t h a v e th e Y es, S p e c ia l A g e n t B a lb o to s it S p e c ia l A g e n t K a re n P e r t u s o h a s in on th e as p a r t o f th e th a t to th e t e s t im o n y o f th e a u d ie n c e . a tte n tio n o f th e I to ld re q u e s te d n e x t tw o her I w o u ld C o u r t a n d se e i f th e re any o b je c tio n . THE COURT; A n y b o d y g o in g to u s e h e r a g a in ? H o w e v e r,

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700 1 M r. B e lla , in th e 2 w o u ld be p r e c lu d e d 3 U n le s s MR. McGRATH: 5 MR. BELLA; 6 MR. T R U IT T ; may o b j e c t , 9 MR. T R U IT T ; th e THE COURT; 16 s itu a tio n 17 t h o u g h t came i n , th e need t o . th e need i s . We I h a v e no o b j e c t i o n . h a v e no o b j e c t i o n . I h a v e no o b j e c t i o n , She c a n ' t come b a c k , I o n ly p o in t o u t, t h a t 's b u t I w o n 't w a iv e but I h a v e no th e re MR. BELLA; T h a t 'S 19 THE COURT; I c o u rt, to a d d re s s th e THE COURT; 23 M r. M r. is B e lla , y o u do i t t h a t th e r e was no f o u n d a t io n a t your is a th a t you la id . r ig h t. h a v e no p r o b le m w i t h h e r b e in g in th e but — MR. BELLA; 21 s a y in g a lr e a d y o c c u r r e d w h e re an e x h i b i t 18 25 h e r. see a n y r e a s o n . W hat t h e y ' r e own r i s k . 24 o n ly d a n g e r. — 15 22 to th e o b je c t io n . 14 20 ju s t d o n 't a n t ic ip a t e I MR. McGRATH; 12 it t h a t 's D epends on how c r i t i c a l MR. JACKSON; 10 d o n 't h e r, th e n y o u we may n o t . MR. McGRATH; 13 I I 8 11 fr o m u s in g c o u n s e l w is h t o w a iv e 4 7 e v e n t t h a t y o u n e e d h e r a g a in , P e rh a p s t h a t ' s I h a v e n o t h in g fu rth e r C o u rt. C a l l th e — MR. BELLA: — N o. ju r y . Is th is w h e re M r. May a n d

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R. 1 THE COURT: 2 PERTUSO - O kay. 701 DIRECT N e x t one? (T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d i n t o and th e t r i a l was re su m e d i n r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 3 4 THE COURT: 5 You may be s e a te d . th e c o u rtro o m , open c o u r t , C a ll y o u r n e x t w it n e s s . 6 MR. BELLA: R o b e rt P e rtu s o , 7 THE COURT: M r. 8 ta k e 9 th e s ta n d , you r e a liz e THE WITNESS: 10 P e rtu s o , THE COURT: Y es, Y o u r H o n o r. w o u ld y o u k i n d l y y o u 'r e s till come a n d u n d e r o a th . s ir . C o u n s e l, do a n y o f y o u w is h th e o a th to r e s u b m it t e d ? 11 12 MR. T R U IT T : 13 MR. McGRATH: 14 MR. BE LLA : N o, 15 THE COURT: P le a s e be s e a te d , 16 speak d i r e c t l y 17 e v e ry b o d y in N o, Y o u r H o n o r. N o, Y o u r H o n o r. in to th e Y o u r H o n o r. th e m ic r o p h o n e c o u r tr o o m p u ll y o u r c h a ir u p , lo u d e n o u g h so t h a t may h e a r . ROBERT PERTUSO 18 re s u m e d t h e s t a n d , h a v in g b e e n p r e v i o u s l y d u l y s w o rn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h a n d n o t h in g b u t t h e t r u t h , was e x a m in e d and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r a s f o l l o w s ; 19 20 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 21 22 23. Q W o u ld y o u S t a t e 24 A R o b e rt P e rtu s o . 25 Q A nd y o u 'r e y o u r nam e, p le a s e ? a s p e c ia l a g e n t w it h th e F B I? be

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R. 1 A 2 Q PERTUSO - DIRECT Y e s. S p e c ia l A g e n t P e r tu s o , I b e lie v e y o u 'v e a lr e a d y t e s t i f i e d 3 a b o u t some o f y o u r w o rk i n 4 in v e s tig a tio n 5 D id yo u a ls o have o t h e r a c t i v i t i e s 6 in v e s tig a tio n ? 7 A 8 Q 9 Y e s, c o n n e c tio n w i t h w ith In p a r t ic u la r , d ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n t o 12 Q And d id yo u p r e p a re a lo g d e t a i l i n g 13 A Y es, S eptem b er 2, 1990; th a t I d id . MR. BELLA; 15 THE COURT: 16 NR. BELLA: Q y o u r s u r v e illa n c e ? I d id . 14 If I may a p p ro a c h th e w it n e s s . Hand yo u w h a t 's been m arked f o r p u rp o s e s o f i d e n t i f i c a t i o n as G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t 71 and ask i f 19 t h a t , p le a s e ? A Y e s, th is w h ic h th e 22 A g e n t K a re n P e r tu s o , my w i f e , 24 r e s u lts i s an FD-302 21 Q yo u can i d e n t i f y I p r e p a re d w h ic h s u m m a riz e s o f th e s u r v e i l l a n c e we — m y s e lf and S p e c ia l d id on S eptem b er 2 , 1990. And do es t h a t a c c u r a t e ly d e t a i l th e e x a c t tim e s and th e exact A Y o u r H o n o r? Youmay. 18 25 th a t day? Y e s, 23 re g a r d t o c o n d u c t some s u r v e i l l a n c e A 20 o r g a n iz a tio n . I d id . 11 17 th e o f th e Edw ards d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g d id yo u have o c c a s io n t o 10 702 Y e s, t h in g s t h a t it does. you o b s e rv e d on t h a t day?

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R. 1 Q PERTUSO - 703 DIRECT Thank y o u . 2 Y o u r H o n o r, I w o u ld move t o a d m it G o v e rn m e n t's E x h i b i t 4 THE COURT: A ny o b je c t io n ? 5 MR. MCGRATH; 6 MR. BELLA; I t 'S 7 THE COURT; Show i t 8 MR. MCGRATH; 9 THE COURT: 3 71. 10 11 I t 's a d m itte d ? a m o tio n t o to a d m it. c o u n s e l. May we a p p ro a c h ? You may. (B ench d is c u s s io n on th e MR. McGRATH: th is , I t 'S n o t yo u r in te n tio n 12 memory w i t h 13 re c o rd e d as a c o n te m p o ra ry — 14 MR. BELLA: 15 MR. McGRATH; y o u 'r e s u b m it t in g Yes, t h a t 's W e ll, w hat i t 17 m a te r ia l th e re as p a s t r e c o l l e c t i o n is . 18 except fo r th a t. 19 MR. TR U ITT: 20 th e n he c a n 't t e s t i f y . 21 a c tiv itie s , and t h a t t h e r e t h a t he c a n ' t r e f r e s h W ith t h i s If th e n we d o n 't h is e x h ib it i t h e 's is so much r e c o lle c tio n s p e a ks f o r g o in g t o t e s t if y its e lf, a b o u t h is need — 22 MR. McGRATH: T h e re a re a l o t 23 MR. JACKSON; W e ll, i t a ls o 24 s ta t e m e n ts , Y o u r H o n o r. A ll r e fr e s h h is why d o n 't y o u have h im s a y t h a t he do es n o t in d e p e n d e n tly r e c a l l , MR. BELLA: it to c o n te m p o ra n e o u s r e c o r d in g ? 16 25 re c o rd .) r ig h t. t h in g s c o n t a in s I 'll in t h e r e , D an. h e a rs a y have h im t e s t i f y as t o

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R. i t . 1 PERTUSO - . 2 THE COURT; W ith d ra w ? 3 MR. BELLA; I 'll w ith d r a w i t 5 THE COURT; 6 MR. BELLA; p o in t, R e q u e s t w ith d r a w n . 7 S p e c ia l A g e n t P e r tu s o , 8 y o u n o te d th e p r e c is e 9 t h in g s yes. . do y o u have — y o u i n d ic a t e d th is 11 Y e s. 12 th e t im e s , 13 s u r v e illa n c e . 14 8 ;3 0 , 15 when we f i n i s h e d . th a t tim e s and d a te s and th e p r e c is e t h a t yo u o b s e rv e d on t h a t d a te , 10 is th a t c o rre c t, in re p o rt? I have in d e p e n d e n t r e c o l l e c t i o n t h a t I knew i t o f th e s u r v e i l l a n c e , was a b o u t a 4 0 -m in u te Some o f th e e x a c t tim e s on h e re b e tw e e n th e 6 p .m . when we s t a r t e d and th e a p p r o x im a te ly 9 :3 0 A fe w o f th e tim e s I d o n 't have a n y in d e p e n d e n t 16 17 r e c o lle c tio n 18 seq uen ce o f th e e v e n ts and — 19 fro m my own r e c o l l e c t i o n . 20 A ll 21 te s t if y r ig h t. 22 A T h a t 's 23 Q Then i f 25 a t th is (End o f d is c u s s io n a t th e b e n c h .) 4 24 704 DIRECT You w o u ld need t o I to th is . B u t th e can c e r t a i n l y t e s t if y to r e f e r t o y o u r n o te s t o as t o e x a c t tim e s ? c o rre c t. yo u w o u ld , p le a s e do s o . I 'm n o te s , o f w it h o u t r e f e r r i n g a s k in g th e w it n e s s . h is p a s t r e c o lle c t io n Y o u r H o n o r, re c o rd e d . to r e fe r to h is

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R. 1 THE 2 MR. MCGRATH; 3 COURT; A ny v o ir d ir e . 4 THE o b je c t io n ? If COURT; You I c o u ld j u s t make tw o q u e s tio n s on may. VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION BY MR. Mc Gr a t h ; 6 Q T h a t s e r ie s o f n o te s i n y o u r 302 w ere d i c t a t e d 8 o f S eptem b er o f 1 9 9 0 , w h ic h i s 9 s u r v e illa n c e , 10 A T h a t 's 11 Q And th e n 12 A C o rre c t. 13 is I have o b j e c t i o n 16 MR. TRUITT; 17 MR. JACKSON; 18 THE 19 MR. BELLA; 23 Q it b e in g e n te r e d as COURT; D a v is . N o th in g , no o b j e c t i o n . No o b j e c t i o n . COURT; You may. Were th e s e n o te s made c o n te m p o ra n e o u s ly w i t h y o u r o b s e r v a t io n s and th e n re d u c e d t o A to th e h e a rs a y r u l e . THE 22 th e i t was t r a n s c r ib e d on th e 1 7 th ? 15 21 4 th c o rre c t. an e x c e p tio n t o Q tw o d a ys a f t e r on th e th a t c o rre c t? MR. McGRATH; 14 20 705 DIRECT Y o u r H onor? 5 7 PERTUSO - ty p e w r itte n fo rm l a t e r ? Y e s. D ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n to S eptem ber 2 o f 1 9 9 0 ; can y o u t e l l 24 us w h a t y o u o b s e rv e d d u r in g th e c o u rs e o f y o u r 25 s u r v e illa n c e , g iv in g th e e x a c t tim e s and th e e v e n ts t h a t

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R. PERTUSO - 706 DIRECT 1 y o u o b s e rv e d and t e l l us w h a t y o u d id 2 w e n t and w h a t you o b s e rv e d ? 3 A t — on S eptem ber 2 d u r in g th e e v e n in g , 4 when m y s e lf and S p e c ia l A g e n t K a re n P e rtu s o a r r i v e d 5 G ove rnm ent v e h i c le 6 and 1 -9 4 and C lin e Avenue i n We to o k 7 we a w a ite d th e 9 w e re g o in g to was 8 :3 6 p .m . a r r iv a l a r r iv e in th e p a r k in g o f v a r io u s lo t s u b je c t s who we b e l i e v e d b e c a u s e o f th e w i r e t a p . Illin o is I o b s e rv e d a l a t e Dodge Ram t r u c k b e a r in g 12 was r e g i s t e r e d t o R o b e rt B u r r e l l a t h i s G le n w o o d , 13 a d d re s s , a r r i v e r e g is tr a tio n m odel 677EH w h ic h Illin o is , a t th e D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t. A f t e r he p u l le d 15 d r iv e r 's 16 c o m p a n io n , a b la c k 17 a ls o e x i t th e v e h i c le 18 R e s ta u r a n t. in , I o b s e rv e d h im g e t o u t o f th e s id e o f th e v e h i c le fe m a le — and I o b s e rv e d a woman I d id n o t know who she was — and th e y b o th w e n t i n t o D e n n y 's T h a t was a t 8 :5 0 . A c o u p le m in u te s l a t e r 19 our o f D e n n y 's a n d 11 14 in Hammond. A t a p p r o x im a te ly 8 :5 0 p .m ., 10 it t o D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t lo c a t e d a t 1 -8 0 a p o s it io n 8 t h a t d a y , w h e re y o u th e y w e n t i n a t 8 :5 2 p .m ., and th e y s a t a t th e th e y w e re s t i l l 20 — 21 la te r 22 c o u n te r a re a and go t o 23 p a r t o f th e 24 When y o u o b s e rv e d M r. B u r r e l l g e t up fro m th e c o u n te r a re a 25 a t 8 :5 4 p . m . , was t h a t i t ? a t 8 :5 4 p .m . c o u n te r. Two m in u te s I o b s e rv e d M r. B u r r e l l g e t up fro m th e th e s o u th — w a lk t o th e s o u th e a s t re s ta u ra n t.

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R. 1 A Y e s, s i r . 2 Q S eptem ber 2 , PERTUSO - . 8 :5 4 p .m ., 3 th e s o u th e a s t c o r n e r o f 4 a re a ? M r. B u r r e l l g e ts up and w a lk s th e th e c o u n te r 5 A Y e s. 6 Q C o u ld y o u o b s e rv e w he re — 7 o f th e I 707 DIRECT r e s t a u r a n t fro m w h a t was i n th e s o u th e a s t c o r n e r r e s t a u r a n t a t t h a t tim e ? 8 A N o, 9 Q B u t y o u do know c o u ld n o t . 10 and w e n t t o 11 t im e , t h a t he g o t up and l e f t th e c o r n e r o f th e th e c o u n te r a re a r e s t a u r a n t a t t h a t p r e c is e 8 :5 4 ? 12 A Y e s, and th e n he r e t u r n e d . 13 Q And how lo n g a f t e r 14 A Two m in u te s , 8 :5 6 p .m . 15 Q P le a s e c o n tin u e 16 A A t 9 :0 1 p . m . , t h a t d id he r e t u r n ? R e tu rn e d and s a t dow n. w i t h y o u r te s tim o n y ? a fe w m in u te s l a t e r , I o b s e rv e d a l a t e 17 F o rd t r u c k w h ic h I had p r e v i o u s ly o b s e rv e d b e f o r e , 18 In d ia n a lic e n s e 19 r e g is te r e d t o a Lee E d w a rd s , a r r i v e MR. JACKSON: 21 no f o u n d a t io n f o r t h i s 22 o w n e rs h ip o f th e v e h i c l e . b e a r in g Y o u r H o n o r, I 'll w i t n e s s 's — o b je c t. THE COURT: R esponse. 24 MR. BELLA: The w itn e s s has t e s t i f i e d t o M r. E d w a rd s . T h e re has been k n o w le d g e as t o 23 was r e g i s t e r e d m o del 53322Q w h ic h I knew a t th e tim e was 20 25 to If th e t h a t he knew i t c o u n s e l w a n ts t o c ro s s

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R. 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 708 DIRECT exa m ine h im on th e b a s is o f t h a t — THE COURT: 3 4 PERTUSO - A p p ro a c h . (B e n c h d is c u s s i o n THE COURT: t h e r e 's C o u n s e l, is th is an e x c e p tio n and y o u 'r e MR. BELLA: r e g is tr a tio n on th e n o t h e a rs a y u n le s s g o in g u n d e r an e x c e p t io n . H is te s t im o n y w o u ld be t h a t he c h e c k e d th e and th r o u g h th e — MR. JACKSON: o b je c tio n y e t . I We h a v e n 't g o t t e n t h a t f a r th in k it 's come l a t e r when he t e s t i f i e s MR. BELLA: in th e f o u n d a t io n . th a t H e a rs a y w o u ld how he knew . H is te s t im o n y w o u ld be t h a t he to o k th e 12 r e g is tr a tio n 13 w h ic h i n d ic a t e s 14 THE COURT: 15 t h a t — how he knew? th r o u g h th e th e IDACS w h ic h i s r e g is tr a tio n s F ir s t o f a l l , to w h a t fo u n d a t io n MR. JACKSON: T h e r e 's none a t t h i s 17 MR. McGRATH: B u t we can r e s o lv e 18 s a y in g now, b u t a n t i c i p a t i n g 19 we d o n 't have t o THE COURT: th e c o m p u te r s y s te m th e m o to r v e h i c l e s . 16 20 re c o rd .) p o in t. it, th a t t h a t 's is th e re Y o u r H o n o r. know w h a t h e 's w hat h e 'l l s a y so come b a ck u p . A re yo u g o in g u n d e r 8 0 3 ( 6 ) , 21 r e g u la r ly c o n d u c te d a c t i v i t y ? 22 o r d a ta o f c o m p ila t io n 23 c o n d itio n s , o p in io n s , in re c o rd s o f A memorandum, an y fo rm o f a c t s , re p o rt, re c o rd e v e n ts , d ia g n o s e s made a t o r n e a r th e t im e . 24 MR. McGRATH; P u b lic re c o r d s 25 MR. JACKSON: The p ro b le m i s I th in k . th e a b i l i t y to c ro s s

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709 R. PERTUSO - DIRECT 1 exa m ine th e v e r a c i t y o f t h a t r e p o r t and t h e r e f o r e 2 com pete nce o f — THE COURT: 3 C o u n s e l, th e 4 is 5 r e c o r d s t h a t a re t r u s t w o r t h y . t h a t y o u can have t r u s t w o r t h i n e s s . 6 MR. MCGRATH: 7 MR. BELLA: 8 re a s o n f o r th e th e h e a rs a y r u le T h e r e 's c e r t a i n 8 0 3 (6 ). Y o u r H o n o r, t h e r e 's t h a t he c h e cke d w i t h as t o th e a d a ta c o m p ila t io n r e g is tr a tio n o f th e v e h i c l e . 9 THE COURT: And yo u can l a y t h a t f o u n d a t io n w i t h h im . 10 MR. BELLA: Y es, 11 THE COURT: R e g u la r ly re c o rd e d b u s in e s s , 13 MR. BELLA: Y e s , Y o u r H o n o r. 14 THE COURT: I t 'S 12 15 I can ask w h a t w i t h IDACS. th e y r e l y on it? u s u a l l y g iv e a l l 16 MR. BELLA: 17 MR. JACKSON: e n te r e d s im u lta n e o u s o r t h a t th e y t h a t i n f o r m a t io n to th is d a ta b a n k . Y e s, Y o u r H o n o r. I gu ess my o b j e c t i o n is o v e r r u le d t h e n . (End o f d is c u s s io n a t th e b e n c h .) 18 19 THE COURT: 20 MR. BELLA: S u s ta in e d u n t i l fo u n d a t io n 21 How d id y o u —- how d id y o u d e te rm in e 22 th is 23 We had a lr e a d y been up on th e w ir e t a p 24 and i n 25 W6 knew a l l th e is la id . r e g is tr a tio n of m o to r v e h ic le ? th e p l a n t , in f o r a c o u p le o f w eeks th e w ir e t a p p l a n t we had s u r v e i l l e d th e v e h ic le s o f M r. E d w a rd s . —

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710 R. PERTUSO - DIRECT 1 Q You had s u r v e i l l e d th e s e v e h ic le s 2 A Y es. 3 Q And d id you e v e r have o c c a s io n t o c o m p u te r sy s te m as to 4 5 A Y e s. 6 Q And p r e v i o u s ly , 7 A C a llin g th e N o t on t h a t d a te , in to 8 o p e ra to r in 9 te le p h o n e . b e fo re ? ch e ck w i t h r e g is tr a tio n o f th e v e h ic le ? b u t p r e v i o u s ly . how d id you go a b o u t c h e c k in g t h a t ? o u r c o m p u te r o p e r a to r i n I n d ia n a p o lis Q W hat k in d o f d a ta bank th a t? 11 A I t 's th e IDACS, th e — e i t h e r on th e 10 c a lle d an y ty p e o f th e NCIC r a d io c o m p u te r r e c o r d s . o r by And i t ' s b a s i c a l l y y o u r In d ia n a B u re a u o f M o to r V e h ic le s 12 r e c o r d s and 13 14 Q And how a re th o s e — a re th o s e m o to r v e h ic le s 15 16 A Y es. 17 Q And th e 19 A Y es. 20 Q And th e th e 21 re c o rd s A Yes . 23 Q And t h a t ' s th e r e g is tr a tio n A Y es. r e g is t e r e d ? c o n te m p o ra n e o u s ly t o c e n te r a c c u r a t e ly r e g is tr a tio n s 22 24 t h a t a re p r e p a r e d as i n f o r m a t io n when m o to r v e h ic le s t h a t t r a n s m it t e d 18 25 a re re c o rd s a re th is s to re s r e g is te r e d , is r e c o r d c e n te r ? th e d a ta r e g a r d in g o f th e s e m o to r v e h ic le s ? re c o rd c e n te r you ch e c k e d w i t h o f th e v e h ic le ? r e g a r d in g th e

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R. PERTUSO - 1 Q A nd w hen y o u c h e c k e d w i t h 2 r e g a r d in g 3 th e 4 A th e r e g is t r a t io n Of th a t — th e v e h ic le t h a t e v e n in g , 6 was r e g i s t e r e d 7 I n d ia n a . Q w it h th a t o f th e m o to r v e h i c l e , t o Lee A . E dw ards a t 206 T a f t P la c e G a ry , to — you t e s t i f i e d 11 tw o m in u te s l a t e r a t 8 :4 5 p .m . he r e t u r n s 12 a re a and has a s e a t . 13 is when yo u o b s e rv e d t h i s 14 is it? s o u th e a s t c o r n e r o f th e Then f i v e tru c k p u ll in to A Yes, 16 Q O kay? 17 A W h ic h w as a d ja c e n t t o 18 Q And w h a t ha ppened th e n ? 19 A T h a t was a t 9 :0 1 t h a t th e v e h i c le it id e n tify 23 v e h ic le . It 25 h is to th e c o u n te r a t 9 :0 1 p .m . th e p a r k in g l o t , Bob E va n s R e s t a u r a n t . D e n n y 's R e s t a u r a n t . d ro v e i n t o th e p a r k in g was o c c u p ie d b y tw o p e o p le . A t t h a t p o i n t w hen t h e y p u l l e d 22 t h a t on r e s t a u r a n t and m in u te s l a t e r 15 lo t; a t th e in M r. B u r r e l l g o t up fro m th e c o u n te r a r e a , w e n t t o th e 24 w h a t was 53322Q W hat — d ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n 21 c e n te r th e F o rd t r u c k b e a r in g In d ia n a lic e n s e 10 20 re c o rd — th e v e h ic le w h ic h I o b s e rv e d on 8 :5 4 p . m . , M r. B u r r e l l , 9 — r e s u lt ? 5 8 th e 711 DIRECT — I c o u ld n 't w a s n 't u n t i l fe m a le — id e n tify w e ll, c o m p a n io n w e re in , we c o u l d n ' t who was i n s i d e th a t a t 9 :0 7 R o b e r t B u r r e l l s till s e a te d in th e D e n n y 's and

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R. PERTUSO - 1 R e s ta u r a n t, 2 — 6 The ta n F o rd t r u c k , t h a t 's th e — th a t Jim m ie E d w a rd s . th e one yo u t e s t i f i e d about p r e v io u s ly ? 7 A Y e s. 8 Q R e g is t e r e d t o 9 A Y e s. 10 Q O kay. 11 Lee Edw ards? So a t 9 :1 4 p .m . you o b s e rv e d J im m ie E dw ards e x i t th e d r iv e r 's s id e o f th e t r u c k , 12 A T h a t 's 13 Q And th e n w h a t happens? 14 A is th a t r ig h t? c o rre c t. A t t h a t tim e I o b s e rv e d h im w a lk fro m th e Bob E vans p a r k in g 15 l o t w he re he was p a rk e d , 16 w h e re M r. B u r r e l l was p a rk e d . 17 p . m . , a m in u te l a t e r , 18 came o u t o f th e D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t. 19 I saw t h e fe m a le o ve r to th e D e n n y 's p a r k in g And a t t h a t p o i n t M r. B u r r e l l and h i s c o m p a n io n w a lk 20 t r u c k w h ic h h e 'd g o t t e n o u t o f . 21 B u r r e l l and Jim m ie E dw ards m eet i n 22 p a r k in g l o t . 23 Q 24 A 25 id e n tifie d i n d i v i d u a l as Lee E d w a rd s ' b r o t h e r , Q th e t h a t was m arked a t Bob E v a n s . And a t t h a t tim e t h a t p o i n t I 4 5 and th e n a t 9 :1 4 p .m . an i n d i v i d u a l e x i t e d th e ta n F o rd t r u c k 3 712 DIRECT in to fe m a le M r. lo t a t 9 :1 5 c o m p a n io n B u r r e ll's And th e n I o b s e rv e d M r. th e D e n n y 's R e s ta u r a n t W hat happened th e n ? A t — M r. B u r r e l l and Jim m ie E dw ards w a lk e d b a ck — th e F o rd t r u c k t h a t J im m ie E d w a rd s was d r i v i n g , t o J im m ie and

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R. PERTUSO - DIRECT 713 1 .iJimmie Edw ards opened up — a t 9 :1 8 he opened up th e 2 d r iv e r 's 3 o p e n , and M r. B u r r e l l was s ta n d in g t h e r e . 4 s id e d o o r , and he g o t i n And a t 9 :1 9 p . m . , a m in u te l a t e r , th e d o o r I o b s e rv e d M r. Edw ards hand s o m e th in g t o M r. B u r r e l l . 5 6 Q And th e n w h a t happened? 7 A W e ll, a t th a t p o in t a b o u t — w e ll, 8 J im m ie Edw ards and h is 9 th e Bob Evans p a r k in g l o t , and h i s 10 11 and he l e f t Q a t 9 :2 0 p . m . , — th e p a s s e n g e r i n E d w a rd s , h is v e h ic le and a m in u te l a t e r M r. B u r r e l l fe m a le com pan ion a ls o l e f t th e p a r k in g l o t . So a f t e r Jim m ie Edw ards and R o b e rt B u r r e l l m et i n th e 12 p a r k in g l o t and y o u saw some ty p e o f exch a n g e a t t h a t 13 p o in t, th e b o th o f them l e f t r ig h t. 14 A T h a t 's 15 Q A n d th e n w h a t h a p p e n e d ? 16 A We l e t — I 17 n o rth 18 and h is 19 a h e a d o f me. 20 d id n 't on C li n e f o llo w Avenue. So a t 9 :2 7 , w h ic h i s 21 p a r k in g 22 one o f M r. E d w a rd s ' — 23 th e t r u c k was t h e r e , 24 25 lo t, I M r. And I m a le c o m p a n io n i n th e th e p a r k in g l o t ? B u r r e ll. I o b s e r v e d h im go d id n 't fo llo w tru c k ; I le t J im m ie E d w a rd s th e m g o , a fe w m in u te s a f t e r get th e y l e f t th e s p o t c h e c k e d th e 1522 T a f t S t r e e t r e s id e n c e , Lee E d w a rd s ' r e s id e n c e s t o he had r e t u r n e d . T h re e m in u te s l a t e r a t 9 :3 0 p .m . E dw ards d r i v i n g le ft th e t r u c k see i f And he w a s n 't . I o b s e rv e d J im m ie e a s t on 1 5 th S t r e e t and th e n

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R. PERTUSO - 1 tu r n e d 2 S tre e t. 3 o f th e t r u c k . r i g h t on T a f t S t r e e t and th e n s to p a t 1522 T a f t He p u l le d up i n A t t h a t tim e 4 714 DIRECT f r o n t and a m ale p a s s e n g e r g o t o u t I o b s e rv e d t h a t th e m ale p a s s e n g e r who 5 was now w i t h h im was d i f f e r e n t th a n th e one t h a t had 6 a cco m p a n ie d h im t o 7 e a r lie r . 8 a fte r 9 And w h e re d id And I th e Bob Evans R e s ta u r a n t a h a l f h o u r te r m in a te d th e s u r v e i l l a n c e th a t. th e — d id yo u o b s e rv e w he re th e p a s s e n g e r 10 w e n t t o when he g o t o u t o f th e tr u c k ? 11 W ent t o — in to 1522 T a f t S t r e e t in s i d e 12 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u , 13 THE COURT: C ro s s D a v is . 14 MR. T R U IT T : 15 THE COURT: 16 MR. McGRATH: 17 THE COURT: 18 MR. JACKSON: 19 THE COURT: 20 THE WITNESS: N o t h in g , s ir , th e r e s id e n c e . I have n o t h in g fu rth e r. Y o u r H o n o r. C ro s s D u r r . N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. C ro s s E d w a rd s . N o th in g , Y o u r H o n o r. You may s te p dow n, th a n k y o u f o r c o m in g . Thank y o u . (The w itn e s s was e x c u s e d .) 21 22 THE COURT: 23 MR. McGRATH: 24 THE COURT: 25 a m in u te o r tw o C a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s . May we a p p ro a c h ? You m ay. (B en ch d is c u s s io n on th e re c o rd .)

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715 THE COURT: 1 2 is g o in g to G e n tle m e n , 4 th e 5 C o u r t w a n ts t o 7 MR. McGRATH: it tr ia l. up t o __ j g iv e MR. BELLA: g o in g d o n ' t know i f lu n c h to be th e a n d th e n h a v e a — th a t? MR. McGRATH: 14 I 15 th a t — to w hoever c a lls My p r im a r y c o n c e r n 13 w it n e s s e a r ly W e ll, w e 'r e c o n tin u o u s r a t h e r th a n t o 18 a re c e s s u n t i l to I 'm not have th e to d a y . s till g o in g o r a n y t h in g , W hat h e 's THE COURT: c o u n s e l? th e w i t n e s s . is c o m p le te d d o n ' t m in d a s h o r t lu n c h 17 s a y in g i s to I 'm h ave lu n c h . ju s t s a y in g y o u can ta k e it go now u n t i l tw e lv e o ' c l o c k , ta k e 1 :3 0 in s t e a d o f 1 1 :3 0 . 19 MR. McGRATH: 20 THE COURT: The t i m e 's 21 MR. BE LLA : I 25 is B e c a u s e we h a v e a s h o r t d a y t o d a y , p re fe re n c e t e s t im o n y o f t h i s 24 I W h a t's y o u r p r e f e r e n c e , 12 23 th e Do y o u p r e f e r THE COURT: 11 22 n e x t w it n e s s lu n c h a n d — 9 16 th is o f th e ta k e THE COURT: 10 Judge, l o n g e s t w it n e s s 6 8 d o n ' t know how lo n g my v o ic e h o ld u p . MR. McGRATH: 3 I I t 'S a lu n c h tim e n o t g o in g u n d e r s ta n d th a t. — to be a n y d i f f e r e n t . We a r e s t o p p in g at In I 3 :3 0 s h a rp to d a y ? I 'v e THE COURT: r e a lly w ant to g o t to s to p a t 3 :3 0 . s to p a t 3 :1 5 , b u t I MR. McGRATH: If to ld fa c t, yo u 3 :3 0 . we c o u ld s to p a t 3 :1 5 , t h a t w o u ld be

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716 1 e x tr e m e ly t i m e l y . My o t h e r c a r i s 2 r e s p o n s ib le 3 e x t r a m in u te s , b u t i t ' s in f o r p ic k i n g up my w i f e . th e s h o p , She can w a i t f i f t e e n a 4 5 -m in u te d r iv e 4 THE COURT; How a b o u t th r e e 5 MR. BELLA: I have no p ro b le m w i t h 6 w ant to fin is h 8 c o u n s e l. 9 yo u w a n t t o I 'll th a t, I 'm do you w a n t t o How lo n g lu n c h b re a k ? 11 THE COURT: I a lw a y s g iv e no r e s t a u r a n t s an h o u r and a h a l f , W hich w o u ld have us s t a r t i n g 14 THE COURT; One o 'c l o c k . 15 MR. Mc Gr a t h ; I t 's g o in g t o be an h o u r and a h a l f THE COURT: I d o n 't f e e l t h a t I 18 s h o r t e r th a n t h a t , 19 some p e o p le t h a t a re C a t h o l i c , 20 p la c e 24 25 up a t — e i t h e r w ay. 17 23 t h e r e 's c lo s e b y . MR. BELLA; 22 ju s t s t a r t now, do 13 21 I s t a r t a fte r? MR. BELLA; 16 — accom m odate y o u , 10 12 g e t h e r. w itn e s s to d a y . do e v e r y t h in g t o W hat do you p r e f e r , to o 'c lo c k ? th e t e s t im o n y o f t h i s THE COURT: 7 I 'm to e a t fis h , MR. JACKSON; can c u t them any e s p e c i a l l y on F r id a y b e ca u se i f t h e y 'v e g o t to so t h a t even n a rro w s th e lo o k y o u ha ve fo r some re s ta u ra n ts . P lu s y o u 'v e a lr e a d y p ro m is e d them an h o u r and a h a l f . MR. BELLA: c o n c e rn i s I have no p ro b le m w i t h th a t. My o n ly th e — THE COURT; W e ll, c o u n s e l, if I fin d t h a t we do n o t

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717 1 fin is h 2 fe e t, b y 3 :3 0 , I 'll it 's be cause c o u n s e l a re d r a g g in g y o u r l e t yo u go beyond 3 :3 0 . 3 MR. BELLA: L e t 's 4 THE COURT: I 'll is b re a k try fin is h e d . to 5 w it n e s s 6 3 :1 5 , w e ' l l ju s t c a ll 7 w it n e s s e s . Do y o u w a n t t o MR. BELLA: 8 fo r a cco m m o d a te t o And i f it T h a t 'S lu n c h . you f in is h a day ra th e r ta k e THE COURT: 10 a t th re e th a n to o 'c lo c k ta k e o th e r fin e . a t th e L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n , b e n c h .) th e c o u n s e l have 11 a d v is e d me t h a t th e n e x t w itn e s s w i l l be a lo n g w it n e s s . 12 R a th e r th a n t o 13 b re a k f o r lu n c h , 14 now. 15 to ta k e t e s t im o n y f o r a h a l f an h o u r , Remember t h e b e fo re ; 18 p e r m it anyone to 19 It 20 case u n t i l is a d m o n it io n do n o t d is c u s s W it h it is th a t, th is d is c u s s y o u r d u ty n o t t o r ig h t it t h a t th e C o u rt gave you c a s e among y o u r s e l v e s , w it h you o r in do n o t y o u r p re s e n c e . fo rm o r e x p re s s a n y o p in io n on t h i s f in a lly s u b m itte d t o y o u . e n jo y y o u r lu n c h . I 'm g o in g to go g e t some cough s y ru p . (The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d fro m th e c o u r tr o o m , and th e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d , r e p o r te d as f o l l o w s . ) 23 24 25 g iv e yo u a lu n c h b re a k And in s t e a d o f h a v in g yo u come b a c k 1 :3 0 , y o u ' l l have 17 22 g o in g t o th e n come b a ck a t one o 'c l o c k . 16 21 I 'm or a b r e a k now? (E n d o f d is c u s s i o n 9 see t h a t t h e THE COURT; A n y th in g c o u n s e l w is h t o a d d re s s th e C o u r t

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718 1 a b o u t b e f o r e we b r e a k fo r lu n c h ? 2 MR. JACKSON: N o, Y o u r H o n o r. 3 MR. MCGRATH: N o. 4 THE COURT: 5 som ebody may w a n t t o 6 s u re 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 M r. t h e y w e re t u r n e d MR. BELLA: B e lla , ju s t check a l l o u t o f a g a in o f th e s e c a u tio n , h e a d p h o n e s a n d make o ff. Y e s , Y o u r H o n o r. ( A t 1 1 :3 0 p .m . th e t r i a l was r e c e s s e d , t o re c o n v e n e a t 1 :0 0 p .m . i n t h e a f t e r n o o n o f th e same d a y . )

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IN THE UNITED STATES D IS T R IC T COURT NORTHERN D IS T R IC T OF IN D IA N A HAMMOND D IV IS IO N UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, P la in tiff, NO. HCR 9 2 -1 1 3 vs. LEE ANDREW EDWARDS, JAMES D A V IS , a / k / a James J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L it t l e J a m e s , a n d LYNETTA P . DURR D e fe n d a n ts . T r i a l i n th e above e n t i t l e d cause was re c o n v e n e d b e f o r e th e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a id C o u r t, and a j u r y , a t th e F e d e r a l B u i l d i n g , 507 S ta te S t r e e t , Hammond, I n d ia n a , on th e 1 2 th d a y o f M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , com m encing a t th e h o u r o f 1 :1 5 p .m . APPEARANCES: MR. DANIEL L . BELLA, A s s i s t a n t U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y , 1001 M a in S t r e e t , S u ite A , D y e r, In d ia n a 46311 on b e h a lf o f th e G o v e rn m e n t; DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S . D IS T R IC T COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, IN D IA N A 46320

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APPEARANCES ( C o n t 'd ) MR. BENJAMIN S . JACKSON, 442 N o r t h C a lu m e t, S u it e 2 0 0 , C h e s t e r t o n , I n d ia n a 46304 on b e h a l f o f d e fe n d a n t Lee A n d re w E d w a rd s ; MR. ROBERT T R U IT T , 55 S o u th F r a n k l i n S t r e e t , V a l p a r a i s o , I n d ia n a 4 6 383 , on b e h a l f o f d e fe n d a n t Jam es D a v is ; MR. JOHN MCGRATH, 1108 W e s t 1 3 3 rd A v e n u e , C edar L a k e , In d ia n a 4 6 303 , on b e h a l f o f d e fe n d a n t L y n e t t a D e fe n d a n ts P r e s e n t i n P. D u rr; P e rs o n DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U . S . D IS T R IC T COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, IN D IA N A 46320

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721 ( C o u r t re c o n v e n e d a t 1 :1 5 p .m . w i t h o u t th e j u r y p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . ) 1 2 THE COURT: 3 4 M r. May, do you know w here M r. B e l l a ' s w h e re a b o u ts a re ? MR. MAY: 5 L a s t I knew , he was down a t th e DEA and I 6 j u s t c a l l e d down th e r e 7 im a g in e h e 's on h i s way up THE COURT: 8 9 C o u n s e l, 12 13 14 15 16 17 w ill re a d i t see i f You m ig h t w a n t t o th e y know . ju r y a n o te and I to you . "Can yo u t e l l us an a p p ro x im a te d a y when we w i l l fin is h ? E m p lo y e rs a re a s k in g . " MR. BELLA: Y o u r H o n o r, I a n tic ip a te w e 'll e v id e n c e Monday and p r o b a b ly have c lo s in g s THE COURT; on y o u , it 's D e fe n d a n ts . I t 's fin is h T u e sd a y m o r n in g . n o t b i n d in g , y o u know , j u s t an a p p r o x im a tio n . MR. JACKSON: 19 MR. TR U ITT: 20 MR. JACKSON; 21 THE COURT; T u e s d a y , Y o u r H o n o r. Tuesday. A g re e d . F in is h e v id e n c e o r g iv e it to th e ju r y T uesday? 23 MR. McGRATH; 24 THE COURT: 25 W ould y o u , p le a s e . I have r e c e iv e d fro m th e 18 22 So I Do you w a n t me t o — ch e ck down a t th e m a in g a te , 10 11 and th e y s a id he w a s n 't t h e r e . a g re e a b le t o G iv e i t W hat I 'm c o u n s e l, is to th e g o in g t o ju r y . te ll th e m , if it 's t h a t we e x p e c t t o have th e ca se

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722 1 g iv e n 2 day e a r lie r , 3 t h e y 'r e 4 to th e ju r y on T u e s d a y . b u t Tuesday is h a v e a ls o p r o b le m s h e a r in g 6 o r yo u have y o u r b a cks to 7 t h a t yo u r a is e 8 w it n e s s e s 9 th e you t r y 12 13 to to W it h speak v e r y we c a l l speaks s o f t l y is th e re th e ju r y ? is and i t th e 15 MR. JACKSON: N o, 16 MR. McGRATH: N o, Y o u r H o n o r. 17 THE COURT: THE COURT: 21 I 22 q u e s t io n s 23 r e c e iv e d 24 to 25 f in is h e d . some so t h a t e ls e t h a t we n e e d c o v e r N o, Y o u r H o n o r. C a ll Y o u r H o n o r. th e ju r y . You may be s e a te d . h a v e b e e n a d v is e d t h a t a c o u p le a n d some com m ents a n o te you becom es a c o n t e s t as (T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d i n t o a n d th e t r i a l was re su m e d i n r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 20 ta lk in g up. a n y t h in g L a d ie s th e fr o m one o f y o u i n d i c a t i n g know a p p r o x im a t e ly when t h i s th e c o u rtro o m , open c o u r t , a n d g e n t le m e n , o f you have r e g a r d in g h a v in g p e r s o n s d o in g You h a v e be c o n s c ie n t i o u s MR. BELLA: 19 t h a t th e y a re a te n d e n c y w i t h and th e n 14 18 ju r y I w o u ld s u g g e s t t o T h e re s o ftly k e e p y o u r v o ic e s th a t, b y th e th e m . y o u r v o ic e s . who c a n s p e a k s o f t e r . b e fo re T h a t w ay some c o u n s e l b e c a u s e e i t h e r y o u 'r e in t e r r o g a tio n 1 1 th e b e s t g u e s s t im a t e . been t o l d 5 to may go a d a y l o n g e r o r a n o t u p s e t e i t h e r w ay h o p e f u l l y . I 10 It some case. A nd I t h a t y o u w a n te d c a s e was e x p e c te d to be

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723 If 1 you r e c a ll o r ig i n a l l y 2 c a s e was e x p e c te d t o 3 on T u e s d a y w i t h 4 e x p e c t in g 5 th e 6 o r a day e a r lie r , 7 c o m p le te s a fe s id e , th e p ic k in g case to I w ill h a r d tim e o f th e ju r y backs to 11 I 'l l te ll 12 speak up h ig h e r . th e you. g e t on t h e i r you th a t it m ig h t go a d a y o v e r e x p e c te d d a te If th a t o c c u rs , r a is e b a c k s and g e t th e m t o I 'm happy to o ve r h e re , la d ie s do t h a t 15 T h a t 's because th e y w a n t to 16 n o t to ta lk 17 r e p o r t e r d o e s n 't know when t o 18 t h e y 'r e o ve r th e re , 19 t h e y 'r e s a y in g a n d I w o n 't do a n y t h in g o u t lo u d B u t a s id e goes f o r th e m t o W it h 24 MR. B E LLA: E d w a rd s . tu rn fo r ta lk p r iv a t e ly w r it e it ju r y . y o u 'll th e and I w h is p e r b e c a u s e r a is e a n y w it n e s s , th e aw ay fr o m down. th e y d o n 't w a n t you to th e re , th a t, M r. B e lla , see bench. te ll th e th e m c o u rt So w hen hear w hat about th a t. yo u r hand. A nd t h e l e t me know an d I ' l l try same to c a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s . Y o u r H o n o r, a a ro u n d o r speak u p . 23 25 fr o m t h e y ' l l w a lk o r n o t to h a v in g up y o u r h a n d , an d g e n tle m e n , th e m h u d d le 22 to s o m e tim e s w hen t h e y t u r n 14 th in g a re To be on com m ented t h a t y o u 'r e a tto rn e y s S o m e tim e s t h o u g h , 21 and we s t i l l be c o n c lu d e d on T u e s d a y . b u t r i g h t now th e h e a r in g th e ir 20 We s t a r t e d c a s e w o u ld be T u e s d a y . 10 13 ha d a d v is e d y o u t h a t t h e a p p r o x im a t e ly a w e e k . Some o f y o u h a v e a ls o 8 9 th is th e ta k e I th e n e x t w it n e s s is J im m ie get

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J. THE COURT: 1 speak d i r e c t l y 2 EDWARDS - P le a s e be s e a te d , in to p u l l y o u r c h a ir u p , th e m ic r o p h o n e . 3 You may p r o c e e d , 4 MR. BELLA: c o u n s e l. Thank y o u . Y o u r H o n o r. JIM M IE EDWARDS 5 c a l l e d a s a w it n e s s b y th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y s w o rn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h a n d n o t h in g b u t t h e t r u t h , was e x a m in e d and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s : 6 7 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: . 8 9 10 Q W o u ld y o u s t a t e 11 A J im m ie E d w a rd s . 12 Q How do y o u s p e l l y o u r f i r s t 13 A J -I-M -M -I-E . 14 Q M r. 15 A Yes, 16 Q A n d how a r e y o u 17 A My b r o t h e r . 18 Q M r. E d w a rd s , I y o u r nam e, p le a s e ? a re you nam e, r e la t e d to s ir ? Lee E d w a rd s ? am. E d w a rd s , or so, r e la t e d ? o v e r th e y e a r s , 19 y e a rs 20 o f in c o m e came fro m ? a re you — 21 A Yes. 22 Q A nd w h a t i s 23 A He owned a b u s in e s s th a t, e s p e c ia lly o v e r th e do y o u know w h e re L e e 's Q A nd w h a t was h i s la s t dozen m a in s o u r c e s ir ? and — a liq u o r b u s in e s s s a le s . 24 25 724 DIRECT p r im a r y s o u rc e of in c o m e ? and d ru g

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J. EDWARDS - 725 DIRECT 1 A D ru g s a le s . 2 Q D id Lee s e l l d ru g s a lo n e o r d id he have p e o p le a s s i s t i n g 3 h im i n th a t a c tiv ity ? 4 A He had p e o p le a s s i s t i n g . 5 Q D id yo u become in v o lv e d 6 A Y e s, 7 Q When d id y o u f i r s t become in v o lv e d 8 A I 9 Q How i s 10 A B ecause i t 11 12 h is d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g fir s t became it th a t tim e was in th a t? in v o lv e d T h a n k s g iv in g D ay, 1 9 8 4 . y o u remember t h a t d a te so c l e a r l y ? T h a n k s g iv in g Day and be ca u se t h a t was th e I e v e r g o t in v o lv e d in th e s e l l i n g And as L e e 's b r o t h e r and as h e lp in g h im i n 13 a c tiv ity ? I d id . fir s t Q in d id y o u become f a m i l i a r w i t h o f d ru g s . h is th o s e d ru g s e l l i n g d r u g s a le s , a c tiv itie s ? 14 A Y e s, I d i d . 15 Q And d i d y o u become f a m i l i a r w i t h w he re th e d ru g s w e re s o ld 16 o u t o f? 17 A Y e s, s i r . 18 Q And d id y o u become f a m i l i a r w i t h who w o rk e d f o r Lee? 19 A Y e s. 20 Q And d id y o u a ls o become f a m i l i a r w i t h w h a t p r o p e r t i e s 21 owned? 22 A Y es, s i r . 23 Q When was th e l a s t tim e t h a t Lee h e ld a j o b , 24 25 Lee a r e g u la r jo b w h e re he w o u ld go and e a rn wages? A I th in k it was a t R e p u b lic S t e e l I th in k . When o r w h e re ?

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J. EDWARDS - 1 Q W e ll, y o u 'v e an sw e re d w here I t h i n k . 2 A M i d - '7 0 's . 3 Q S in c e t h a t tim e in 726 DIRECT th e m i d - '7 0 's , When was t h a t ? he h a s n 't w o rk e d somewhere w he re he e a rn e d a r e g u la r wage? 4 5 A No, n o t t h a t I know o f . 6 Q I n O c to b e r o f 1 9 9 0 , w here was Lee l i v i n g ? 7 A 460 T a f t P la c e i n G a ry , and 1 5 th and T a f t S t r e e t i n G a ry . 8 Q Has Lee s ta y e d i n one p la c e o v e r th e y e a rs o r has he had s e v e r a l p la c e s ? 9 10 A H e 's had s e v e r a l p la c e s . 11 Q Now, when y o u t a l k about th is 460 T a f t P la c e and a ls o 1 5 th 12 and T a f t S t r e e t , why tw o p la c e s ? 13 th e s e tw o re s id e n c e s ? 14 A W e ll, he owned b o th o f th e m . w h ile 15 and th e n l i v e 16 Q Go b a ck and f o r t h ? 17 A Y e s. 18 Q Now, J im m ie , in s ta r tin g in th e m i d - '8 0 's , m id - 8 0 's , 20 t h a t d ru g s w ere s o ld o u t o f? A He w o u ld l i v e in one f o r a th e o t h e r f o r a w h i l e . 19 21 W hat w o u ld he do w i t h s ta r tin g w ith can y o u t e l l us a b o u t th e p la c e s t h a t Lee had W e ll, d u r in g my in v o lv e m e n t i n th e m id - - 8 0 's , t h e r e was a 22 p la c e on 1 0 th and Taney S t r e e t w h ic h was my d e b u t i n 23 b u s in e s s . 24 25 th e And fro m th e r e we w e n t fro m t h e r e S t r e e t on th e t h i r d flo o r , to th e 8 th and M a ry la n d and th e n fro m t h e r e to 365

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J. 1 P ie r c e S tre e t. 2 M a r y la n d b u t on th e EDWARDS - A nd fr o m th e re 1 0 th A ve n u e , 5 M ille r , 6 Do y o u r e c a l l w h e re Lee — I a c o u p le Y o u r H o n o r, ju s t 9 c a p a c ity , I 'v e 10 e s t a b lis h s o m e th in g on v o i r o f v o ir d ir e n o tic e d THE COURT: and 7 th and K e n tu c k y , W est may I 5854 C o u rt o u t i n a c o u p le cadence t h a t s u g g e s ts 15 m e d ic a t i o n . I 'm 16 w o n d e r in g h e 's 17 m e d ic a t i o n . 18 ju r y . 19 w a lk in g 20 so s lo w . I 'l l in , w it h in th e 23 a c tin g lik e 24 te s tify in g on c o n c e r n in g h i s o f th in g s . h e 's a w a re t h a t he i s I ju s t w ant to re c o rd .) s p e a k in g in a — on some k i n d on d i s a b i l i t y maybe o u t o f th e maybe h e 's ju s t in ju r e d , Y o u r H o n o r, la s t h a lf h o u r, I th in k on t h i s I h e a r in g an o d d of a n d I 'm p r e s e n t l y m e d ic a te d and t e s t i f y i n g j u s t make a r e c o r d th a t. on t h e t h a t maybe h e 's ju s t — MR. BE LLA : 22 w it n e s s d ir e . Y o u r H o n o r, 14 I th is C o u n s e l. MR. MCGRATH: if ta k e q u e s t io n s (B e n c h d i s c u s s i o n 12 13 8 th 4 th and D e la w a re . 8 11 back to f o r g e t th e e x a c t a d d re s s . MR. Mc Gr a t h ! 7 25 — basem ent f l o o r . 4 21 to And 1 6 th and J a c k s o n S t r e e t , 3 727 DIRECT under o f th e b e c a u s e he came b u t he came w a l k i n g have ta lk e d w it h t h e w it n e s s a n d he h a s n o t b e e n c o n s i s t e n t l y h e 's ju s t s c a re d . H e 's a g a in s t — MR. McGRATH: in He may be on s o m e th in g b e c a u s e he i s

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J. 1 s c a re d . 2 3 I ju s t w ant to THE COURT: in f r o n t o f th e ju r y , MR. Mc Gr a t h : 5 THE COURT: w h e re 7 it 's t h a t th e 9 and I 10 have t h i s done to we a s k t h a t , I j u s t d o n ' t know I mean i f go. I m ean, b ro th e r if th e C o u rt, you say s p e e c h , w h a t I w o u ld c o n s id e r is th is h is s lo w , s p e e c h a n d he i n d i c a t e d no. MR. BE LLA : 11 12 w eek a n d h e 's 13 v o ic e . 14 he seems j u s t 15 I I have ta lk e d ta lk e d in fin e to know he i s h is 17 m em bers i n 18 h is b ro th e r, h e 's th e a c tiv it ie s 19 I ta lk e d w it h 16 t h a t th e 21 I 'm 22 have to 23 down. 24 But I w it h h im to d a y b e f o r e th e la s t of he came u p h e r e and v e ry c o n c e rn e d a b o u t t e s t i f y i n g c o n c e r n e d a b o u t h a v in g A nd h e 's o th e r a g a in s t f a m ily c o n c e r n e d a b o u t new s o f c o m in g o u t . C o u n s e l, n o t g o in g t o I u n d e r s ta n d do i t in th in k to MR. McGRATH: to V e ry w e ll. but I th is ju r y , o u t. I 'm and t h e n b r i n g t h a t e v e ry b o d y i s have l im it e d th a t, fin d f r o n t o f th e s e n d th e m u p r e a l q u ic k am g o in g in me. d e fe n d a n ts h a v e a r i g h t But I th e w it n e s s a n o r m a l c o n v e r s a t i o n a l to n e c o u rtro o m . THE COURT: 20 25 r e lu c t a n t to se n d th e m u p s t a i r s . cadence o f h is asked h is 728 A b s o lu te ly . MR. McGRATH: 8 I 'm B ecause i f g o in g DIRECT ask. C o u n s e l, 4 6 EDWARDS - v o ir e n title d d ir e . th in k A g a in g o in g to th e m b a c k to know t h i s .

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J. THE COURT: 2 s h o rt a v e ry 4 th re e 5 Remember th e 6 n o t d is c u s s 7 anyone to 8 y o u r d u ty n o t to 9 u n til it fo llo w 10 r e c e s s and I d o n 't t h in k so d o n ' t g e t t o o a d m o n it io n th is b e n c h .) t h a t th e i t 'l l c o m f o r t a b le it w it h fo r m f in a lly you o r o r e x p re s s s u b m it t e d to g o in g to ta k e be o v e r tw o o r u p s ta ir s . C o u r t g a ve y o u b e f o r e ; c a s e among y o u r s e l v e s , d is c u s s is a t th e L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n , w e 'r e 3 m in u t e s , 729 VOIR DIRE (E n d o f d is c u s s i o n 1 in do n o t p e r m i t y o u r p re s e n c e . a n y o p in i o n you. do W it h It on t h i s th a t, is case w o u ld y o u th e M a r s h a l u p s t a i r s . (T h e j u r y w e re e s c o r t e d fr o m t h e c o u r t r o o m , and th e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d , r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 11 12 THE COURT: 13 You may be s e a t e d . y o u some l i m i t e d 14 v o ir M r. M c G ra th , I 'l l g iv e d ir e . VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION BY MR. MCGRATH: 15 16 17 EDWARDS - Q M r. E d w a rd s , my name i s 18 L y n e tta D u rr. 19 p o in t e d q u e s t io n s . You a r e 20 21 A Y es. 22 Q A nd y o u 'r e 23 A I 'm 24 Q O kay. 25 A Yes. I 'm J o h n M c G ra th , g o in g to on some fo r m d is a b l e d I re p re s e n t d e fe n d a n t a s k y o u a c o u p le v e r y q u ic k o f d is a b ility , is how? a d ia b e t ic . A re y o u r e q u i r e d to ta k e m e d ic a t io n ? and th a t c o rre c t?

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J. 1 Q And w h a t m e d ic a tio n 2 A M ic ro n a s e . 3 Q And do y o u 4 ta k e 730 EDWARDS - VOIR DIRE a re yo u r e q u ir e d t o any o t h e r m e d ic a tio n ta k e ? o f any — e ith e r p r e s c r ib e d o r n o n - p r e s c r ib e d ? 5 A 6 Q No, s i r . Y o u r spe ech p a t t e r n and y o u r w a lk in g in 7 room and a ls o seems s lo w . 8 — how a re y o u u n d e r — a re y o u on an y d is c o m f o r t o r i s 9 y o u r d ia b e te s in N o, s i r , n o t. 10 A 11 12 it's j u s t w a lk in g Q in a n s w e rin g q u e s tio n s an y way a f f e c t i n g in to It's D id y o u ta k e a n y t h in g a t a l l a n y t h in g i n o r d e r t o 14 to d a y ? A N o, s i r , MR. McGRATH: 17 THE COURT: 18 MR. TR U ITT: 19 MR. JACKSON: 20 MR. BELLA: in th e way o f m e d ic a tio n o r to o k . I have no f u r t h e r q u e s t io n s . A ny f u r t h e r q u e s tio n s ? No q u e s t io n s . Y o u r H o n o r. No q u e s t io n s . No q u e s t io n s . o b s e r v a t io n . 22 e x a m in a tio n th e w it n e s s 's 23 th in k . 25 yo u to d a y ? c a lm y o u r n e rv e s o r t o do a n y t h in g 21 24 th a t guess maybe th e tra u m a o f o t h e r th a n tw o N u p r in I 16 Is th is th e c o u r t . 13 15 ju s t I co m in g i n t o Y o u r H o n o r. I Y o u r H o n o r. I w o u ld l i k e th in k d u r in g th is t o make an v o ir d ir e spe ech has been v e r y n o rm a l I And — THE COURT: j u r y dow n. That is so n o te d b y th e C o u r t. C a l l th e

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J. 1 (The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d i n t o and th e t r i a l was resum ed i n r e p o r te d as f o l l o w s ; ) 2 3 THE COURT; 4 You may be s e a te d . MR. BELLA: M r. B e l l a , Q M r. E d w a rd s, I n o t ic e d when you w a lk e d i n , o f s lo w and y o u 'r e 8 d i f f i c u l t th in g A 10 Y es, s p e a k in g k in d o f s lo w , f o r yo u t o it 's d iffic u lt. s i t u a t i o n and i t ' s 11 THE COURT: I t 's th e som ewhat d i f f i c u l t , M r. E d w a rd s, I 'm e v e ry b o d y be a b le t o h e a r w h a t y o u 'r e 14 spe ak a l i t t l e speak up b e cause i t ' s 16 t h a t te n d e n c y t h a t 17 s o fte r. MR. BELLA; 20 T h is is e v e ry b o d y s t a r t s A Y e s. 22 Q O ka y. a been i n th is s ir . ask y o u , y o u 'r e im p o r t a n t t h a t s a y in g . So can y o u same b e c a u s e t h e r e ' s s p e a k in g s o f t e r and Y e s , Y o u r H o n o r. d iffic u lt fo r you. A re you p r e p a re d t o and t e l l us w h a t y o u know a b o u t t h i s 21 th is k in d b i t lo u d e r . M r. B e l l a , w o u ld y o u a ls o do th e Q yes, g o in g t o 13 18 is f i r s t tim e I ' v e g o in g t o have t o 15 yo u came i n do? 12 19 y o u may Thank y o u . Y our H o n o r. 7 9 th e c o u r tr o o m , open c o u r t , c o n t in u e . 5 6 731 EDWARDS - DIRECT go ahead o r g a n iz a tio n th o u g h ? Y o u 'v e m e n tio n e d s e v e r a l a d d re s s e s o u t o f w h ic h 23 d ru g s w e re s o ld o v e r th e s e y e a r s . 24 back to 25 liv in g 1985 I th e n ? th in k it D ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n w as, do y o u r e c a l l w h e re Lee was

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J. T a f t P la c e , 1 A Y e s. 2 Q In 3 A Y es. 4 Q O kay. 5 A W e ll, he l i v e d w i t h my p a r e n ts 460 T a f t P la c e . 1985? B e fo re t h a t , w here d id he l i v e ? 6 d i f f e r e n t a p a rtm e n ts i n 7 n ie c e s f o r a w h ile th e c i t y . Q Do yo u r e c a l l w here t h a t was? 9 A T h a t was i n L iv e d w i t h G a ry on 5 th and B uchanan S t r e e t f o r a s h o r t Q Now, y o u 'v e d e t a i l e d — y o u r e la t e d th e s e a d d re s s e s o v e r 12 th e y e a r s ; 13 now . 14 a d d re s s e s o r w h a t p r o p e r t i e s has Lee owned? A L ik e In I w a n t t o d ra w y o u r a t t e n t i o n th e la s t — I m e n tio n e d , in on 460 T a f t P la c e and 1 5 th and T a f t S tre e t. He owned — 17 b u ild in g on 5 th and G r a n t. 18 and V i r g i n i a 19 yes. Q I th in k You i n d ic a t e d t o m ore r e c e n t th e l a s t c o u p le o f y e a r s , w h a t 16 20 one o f my p e r io d o f t im e . 10 15 and he had f o r a w h ile . 8 11 732 EDWARDS - DIRECT fro m w h a t I know he owned an a p a rtm e n t He r e n te d o u t a house on 7 th S t r e e t t h a t he ow ned, 7 th — 7 t h and V i r g i n i a , it 's 750 I th in k . t h a t M r. — t h a t Lee d i d n ' t do t h i s a lo n e ; d id he have p e o p le w o r k in g w i t h h im o v e r th e y e a rs ? 21 22 A Y e s, t h e r e was s e v e r a l d i f f e r e n t p e o p le . 23 Q And s t a r t i n g a g a in w i t h th e m id - 8 0 's , 24 was w o r k in g f o r h im i n s e llin g 25 th e s e v a r io u s lo c a t io n s ? can y o u t e l l u s who d ru g s o v e r th e s e y e a r s a t

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J. 1 A 733 EDWARDS - DIRECT Oh, when I g o t in v o lv e d it was m y s e lf , a g e n tle m a n b y th e 2 name o f A l M o o re , and a g e n tle m a n by th e name o f T o l l y 3 E sg u e , g e n tle m a n b y th e name o f C le v e la n d , 4 W e s le y I t h i n k 5 la d y b y th e name o f C h e ry l o r L a C h e r y l, 6 name i s 7 name o f Ron L a s i t e r , 8 Q t h a t 's h is name, C le v e W e s le y , and a yo u n g B u r r — o r D u rr I A fte r th a t i n i t i a l th in k . I th in k her la s t And a y o u n g man b y th e and th e r e was o t h e r s as tim e w e n t o n . t im e , f o r Lee when y o u s t a r t e d 9 I d o n 't — th e s e a re p e o p le t h a t w e re w o r k in g in '8 5 o r '8 4 ? 10 A Y es. 11 Q And th e n was t h e r e a ls o a p la c e on M a r s h a ll S t r e e t t h a t he had? 12 13 A P a rd o n me? 14 Q Was t h e r e a ls o a p la c e on M a r s h a ll S t r e e t ? 15 A Y e s, 16 Q T e l l us a b o u t — 17 A D i f f e r e n t a d d re s s e s th o u g h . 18 Q T e l l us a b o u t th o s e ? 19 A W e ll, t h e r e was a c o u p le p la c e s . one o f them was on 2nd and M a r s h a ll, was a house t h a t m y s e lf and my e x - w if e 235 M a r s h a ll. 20 It 21 ow ned; i t 22 b e fo re 23 e v e n tu a lly 24 And th e n t h e r e was a p la c e on 1 3 th and M a r s h a ll t h a t he 25 o p e r a te d o u t o f . was a d u p le x . We r e n te d i t I g o t in v o lv e d w i t h it a t one tim e o u t to Lee. T h is was th e s a le s o f d ru g s and was to r c h e d b y — som ebody s e t i t on f i r e .

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