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Page 1 IN THE UNITED STATES D IS TR IC T COURT
NORTHERN D IS TR IC T OF INDIANA
HAMMOND D IV IS IO N
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
P la in tiff,
NO. HCR 9 2 - 1 1 3
vs.
LEE ANDREW EDWARDS,
JAMES D A V IS , a / k / a James
J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L i t t l e
Jam es, and LYNETTA P . DURR
D e fe n d a n ts .
T r i a l i n t h e above e n t i t l e d cause was commenced b e f o r e
t h e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a i d C o u r t , a t t h e F e d e r a l
•
B u i l d i n g , 507 S t a t e S t r e e t , Hammond, I n d i a n a , on t h e 1 5 t h da y o f
M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , commencing a t t h e ho ur o f 8 : 5 5 a .m .
•
APPEARANCES:
. MR. DANIEL L . BELLA,
A s s i s t a n t U n it e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y ,
1001 M ain S t r e e t , S u it e A ,
D y e r , In d ia n a 46311
on b e h a lf o f th e G o ve rn m e n t;
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, IND IA NA 46320

Page 2 APPEARANCES ( C o n t 'd )
MR. BENJAMIN S. JACKSON,
442 N o r th C a lu m e t, S u it e 2 0 0 ,
C h e s t e r t o n , I n d i a n a 46304
on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t Lee A ndrew E d w ard s;
MR. ROBERT T R U IT T ,
55 S o u th F r a n k l i n S t r e e t ,
■
V a lp a r a i s o , In d ia n a 4 6 3 8 3 ,
on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t James D a v is ;
MR. JOHN MCGRATH,
1108 W est 1 3 3 r d A ve n u e ,
Cedar L a k e , I n d i a n a 4 6 3 0 3 ,
on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t L y n e t t a
D e fe n d a n ts P r e s e n t i n
P. D u rr;
P e rso n
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

Page 3 794
( C o u r t opened a t 8 : 5 5 a .in . w i t h o u t t h e
p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . )
1
ju ry
2
3
THE COURT: Good m o rn in g ,
4
MR. JACKSON:
Good m o rn in g .
5
MR. McGRATH:
Good m o rn in g .
6
MR. BELLA:
Good m o rn in g .
7
THE COURT:
A n y th in g c o u n s e l w is h to a d d re s s th e C o u r t
8
abou t b e fo re
1
1
12
c a ll
MR. McGRATH:
9
10
I
T r u itt
•
to
THE COURT:
a b o u t b e f o r e we c a l l
MR. BELLA:
15
MR. McGRATH:
16
MR. TR U IT T :
17
THE COURT:
18
MR. JACKSON;
f o r M r.
20
th e
N o t h in g ,
Your H o n o r.
T h e r e 's n o t h in g .
T h e r e 's n o t h in g .
I'll
23
MR. JACKSON:
24
THE COURT:
ju r y .
Y our H o n o r, we r e q u e s t a l i m i t i n g
re s p e c t to
to p la y in g
THE COURT:
a r e p la y e d ,
ju r y ?
C a l l th e
in s t r u c t io n w ith
ju r y p r io r
th e
No, Your H o n o r.
19
w a iv e r .
w a itin g
A n y th in g c o u n s e l w is h to a d d re s s th e C o u r t
14
25
s till
come b a c k .
MR. TR U IT T :
22
j u r y down?
Y our H o n o r, w e 'r e
13
21
th e
c o u n s e l.
C o u n s e l,
g iv e
th e t r a n s c r i p t b e in g
th e
re re a d to
ta p e s .
re m in d me r i g h t b e f o r e
th e
it.
Thank y o u .
H o w e v e r,
fa ilu r e
to do so w i l l
be a
ta p e s

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795
DIRECT
(The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d i n t o
and th e t r i a l was resumed i n
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
1
2
THE COURT;
3
Good m o rn in g ,
la d ie s
th e c o u r tr o o m ,
open c o u r t ,
and g e n tle m e n , you
may be s e a t e d .
4
5
You may c a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s ,
6
MR. BELLA:
S p e c ia l A g e n t Ted M ay, Y our H o n o r.
7
THE COURT:
M r. M ay, w o u ld you k i n d l y
w it n e s s
8
s ta n d ; you r e a l i z e
y o u 'r e
Do any c o u n s e l w an t th e o a th
9
10
MR. JACKSON;
No, Your H o n o r.
1
1
MR. Mc Gr a t h :
No, Your H o n o r.
12
MR. BELLA;
If
13
THE COURT;
You m ay.
I
M r.
s till
B e lla .
come t o
th e
under o a th .
r e - a d m in is t e r e d ?
may a p p ro a c h th e w i t n e s s .
Y ou r H onor?
THEODORE MAY
14
r e c a l l e d as a w itn e s s by th e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g p r e v i o u s l y
d u ly sworn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and
n o th in g b u t th e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r
as f o l l o w s :
15
16
17
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
18
19
20
Q
W ould you s t a t e
21
A
T h eo d o re M ay.
22
Q
And y o u 'r e
23
A
T h a t 's
24
Q
And you r e a l i z e
25
A
Yes,
I
y o u r name, p le a s e ?
a s p e c ia l a g e n t w i t h
th e
FB I?
c o rre c t.
do.
y o u 'r e
s till
u n d e r o a th ?

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1
Q
S p e c i a l A g e n t May,
2
id e n tific a tio n
3
if
4
A
Yes,
th e s e a re th r e e
c o p ie d o f f
6
d u p lic a te
Q
th o se,
r e e l to
r e e l w ire
59,
and 7 2 ,
fro m d u p l i c a t e
A
T h a t's
10
Q
And when you d i d t h a t ,
reel —
th a t
i n t e r c e p t lo g to
12
th e lo g n o ta tio n s ?
t a p e s on t h e
fro m —
c a s s e tte s
re e ls ?
in s u re
d i d you exam ine t h e T i t l e
III
14
Q
And d i d you s e c u re fro m t h e
l o g t h a t t h e r e w e re no
15
d iffic u ltie s
t h e e q u ip m e n t a t
16
o rig in a l
d id .
w ith o p e ra tin g
c o n v e r s a t i o n s were
17
A
Yes,
18
Q
D id you l i s t e n
d u p lic a te
to th e s e
Yes,
21
Q
D id t h e d u p l i c a t e
22
A
Not a t a l l .
23
Q
And do t h o s e
th o s e
r e c o rd e d ?
c o n v e r s a t i o n s as you made t h e
d id .
re e ls
c a s s e tte s
fro m th o s e d u p l i c a t e
Yes,
t im e
ca ss e tte s?
A
A
th e
d id .
20
25
w ire
t h a t th o s e c o n v e r s a t i o n s m atch ed
Yes,
24
tap es.
you p r e p a r e d t h o s e
A
I
m y s e lf
or th e o r i g i n a l
13
19
I
c o rre c t.
11
I
and ask
p le a s e ?
th o s e c a s s e t t e s
9
I
58,
in d iv id u a l c o n v e rs a tio n s
o f th e o r i g i n a l
D id you p r e p a r e
c a s s e tte s
8
hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r
p u rp o s e s as E x h i b i t s
you can i d e n t i f y
5
7
I
796
DIRECT
th e y do.
a p p e a r t o be a l t e r e d
a c c u ra te ly
re e ls ?
copy t h e
in
any way?
c o n v e rs a tio n s

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1
A re th o s e a l l
2
p a r tic ip a te d
3
Yes,
c a s s e tte s
o f d r u g -r e la te d
c o n v e r s a tio n s
i n by F la k e s K ellum ?
th e y a r e .
4
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u ,
5
THE COURT:
You may.
6
MR. BELLA:
Your H o n o r,
t im e Governm ent E x h i b i t s
7
797
DIRECT
8
THE COURT:
9
MR. TR U ITT:
s ir .
58,
I
If
I
move t o
may a p p ro ach ?
in t r o d u c e
a t th is
59 and 7 2 .
Any o b je c t io n s ?
No o b j e c t i o n s .
Y our H o n o r.
Your H o n o r.
10
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n ,
11
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
12
THE COURT:
T h e y 'r e
a d m it t e d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 5 8 , 59 and 72
w e re a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . )
13
14
15
MR. BELLA:
If
I
16
THE COURT:
You may.
17
NR. BELLA:
18
S p e c i a l A g e n t May,
19
Governm ent E x h i b i t s
20
th o se,
21
These a r e
lik e w is e
22
r e e l ta p e
o f in d iv id u a l
23
Q
I
may a p p ro a c h .
Y our H o n o r.
show you w h a t ' s been m arked as
82,
83,
ta p e s
I
84,
85,
86,
ask you t o
id e n tify
p le a s e ?
And d id you do th e
24
and make th e
25
e x h ib its
I
made fro m th e d u p l i c a t e
to
c o n v e r s a t io n s .
same t h in g s w i t h
same d e t e r m in a t io n s
ju s t
re e l
showed you?
re g a rd to
as w i t h
th e
th o s e
la s t
ta p e s
set of

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1
A
2
Q
3
I
d id .
And w e re a l l
th e
c o n v e rs a tio n s
th e
same as w i t h
th e
la s t
s e t o f e x h ib its ?
4
A
5
Q
6
7
Yes,
798
DIRECT
Yes,
th e y w ere.
And a r e
a ll
o f th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d
p a rtic ip a te d
A
8
T h a t's
i n by W i l l i e Edwards?
c o rre c t.
MR. BELLA:
9
c o n v e rs a tio n s
83, 84,
85,
Your H o n o r, move t o
in tro d u c e
E x h ib its
82,
and 8 6 .
10
THE COURT:
Any o b j e c t i o n s ?
11
MR. TR U ITT:
No o b j e c t i o n .
12
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
13
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
14
THE COURT:
15
T h e y 'r e a l l
Your H o n o r.
a d m itte d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 8 2 , 8 3 , 8 4 , 85
and 86 w e re a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . )
16
17
MR. BELLA:
18
THE COURT:
19
MR. BELLA:
20
Q
A g a in ,
S p e c i a l A g e n t May,
I
id e n tific a tio n
22
you can i d e n t i f y
th o s e ?
Two o f t h e s e a r e
tap es
A
24
25
I may a p p ro a c h ?
hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r
21
23
if
p u rp o s e s as E x h i b i t s
th a t
I made.
87,
88,
T h is
89 and ask
one was made by
A gent R o th .
Q
W hich two a r e
th e tap es
if
t h a t you made, w h ic h e x h i b i t s ?

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1
A
E x h ib its
2
Q
And d i d you make
87 and 8 8 .
th e
3
th o s e e x h i b i t s
4
j u s t t e s t i f i e d to ?
5
A
Yes,
I
6
same d e t e r m i n a t i o n s w i t h
as you d i d w i t h
Thank y o u ,
THE COURT:
You may.
9
MR. BELLA:
Your H o n o r,
10
E x h ib it —
Q
12
13
14
15
re g a rd to th e e x h i b i t s
s ir .
If
I
I'm
so rry.
I move t o
S trik e
A re b o th t h e s e E x h i b i t s
th a t,
may a p p ro a c h . Y our
if
i n t r o d u c e G overnm ent
you w o u ld .
87 and 88 d r u g - r e l a t e d
c o n v e r s a t i o n s p a r t i c i p a t e d i n by P h e n e t h e r
A
T h a t 's
Buchanan?
c o rre c t.
MR. BELLA:
e v id e n c e .
Move to
in t r o d u c e
E x h ib its
87 and 88 i n t o
Y our H o n o r.
16
THE COURT:
17
MR. TR U IT T :
18
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
19
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
20
THE COURT:
21
you
H o n o r.
8
11
reg ard to
d id .
MR. BELLA:
7
799
DIRECT
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
No o b j e c t i o n .
87 and 88 a r e
Y our H o n o r.
ordered a d m itte d .
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t s 87 and 88
w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . )
22
23
MR. BELLA:
If
I
may a p p ro a c h .
24
THE COURT:
You may.
25
MR. BELLA:
Your H o n o r.

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1
Q
S p e c i a l A g e n t R o th ,
2
id e n tific a tio n
3
96 and 9 7 ,
4
A
5
6
A ll
fiv e
you can i d e n t i f y
Q
And d i d you make t h e
to ?
9
A
10
Q
11
th o s e ,
94,
95,
p le a s e ?
I made o f i n d i v i d u a l
Yes, I
same d e t e r m i n a t i o n s w i t h
reg ard to
as you d i d t h e ones you have j u s t
te s tifie d
d id .
And a r e a l l
th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d
c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t i c i p a t e d
i n by Lee Edwards?
A
Yes, th e y
are.
MR. BELLA:
in tro d u c e
Thank y o u ,
E x h ib its
94,
95,
16
MR. T R U IT T :
17
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
18
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
19
the
COURT:
I
e v id e n c e .
No o b j e c t i o n .
Your H o n o r.
Governm ent E x h i b i t s
93 t h r o u g h 97 b o t h
o rd e re d a d m itte d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 9 3 , 9 4 , 9 5 ,
97 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . )
22
23
MR. BELLA:
24
THE COURT:
25
MR. BELLA:
move t o
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
a r e now a l l
21
Your H o n o r,
96 and 97 i n t o
the
in c lu s iv e
COURT:
93,
s ir.
15
20
93,
' c o n v e r s a t i o n s as b e f o r e .
8
14
p u rp o s es as G overnm ent E x h i b i t s
o f th e s e a re ta p e s
those e x h i b i t s
13
hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r
and ask you i f
7
12
I
800
DIRECT
If
I
may a p p r o a c h .
You may.
Your H o n o r.
96 and

Page 10 MAY -
I Q
I
2
you i d e n t i f y
801
DIRECT
hand you w h a t 's been marked as Governm ent E x h i b i t 7 7 ,
th a t,
s ir?
3
A
It's
a t a p e I mades i m i l a r
4
Q
And d i d you make t h e
to
th o s e b e f o r e .
samed e t e r m i n a t i o n s
w ith
5
t h a t e x h i b i t as you d i d w i t h t h e ones you j u s t
6
to ?
7
A
Yes,
8
Q
And i s
9
10
I
re g a rd to
te s tifie d
d id .
th a t a d ru g -re la te d
c o n v e rs a tio n p a r t ic ip a t e d
in
L y n e t t a D u rr?
A
Yes,
11
it
is .
MR. BELLA;
Your H o n o r,
13
THE COURT;
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
14
MR. TR U ITT:
15
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
16
MR. JACKSON;
No o b j e c t i o n .
17
THE COURT;
12
I
move t o
in tro d u c e
E x h ib it
77.
18
No o b j e c t i o n .
It'S
Your H o n o r.
a d m itte d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t 77 was
a d m itte d in t o e v id e n c e .)
19
20
21
MR. BELLA:
Q
22
F in a lly ,
S p e c i a l A g e n t May —
if
I
may a p p r o a c h .
Your
H o n o r.
23
THE COURT;
24
MR. BELLA:
25
Q
I
can
You may.
hand you w h a t ' s been m arked as E x h i b i t s
73,
74,
75 and
by

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1
76,
ask you i f
you can i d e n t i f y
2
A
These a l s o a r e ta p e s
3
Q
And d i d you make
4
th o s e e x h i b i t s
5
t o to d a y ?
6
A
7
Q
8
9
10
11
Yes,
I
802
DIRECT
th a t I
th o s e ,
p le a s e ?
made.
t h e same d e t e r m i n a t i o n s w i t h
as you d i d w i t h
t h e ones you have t e s t i f i e d
d id .
And a r e a l l
th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d
c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t i c i p a t e d
i n by James D a v is ?
A
Yes,
th ey a re .
MR. BELLA:
a d m it E x h i b i t s
Thank y o u ,
73,
74,
s ir .
Your H o n o r,
I
move t o
75 and 7 6 .
12
THE COURT:Any o b j e c t i o n ?
13
MR. TR U ITT:
No o b j e c t i o n . Your H o n o r.
14
MR. McGRATH;
No o b j e c t i o n .
15
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
16
THE COURT:
17
reg ard to
73 t h r o u g h 76 b o th i n c l u s i v e
a r e now a l l
o rd e re d a d m itte d .
18
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 7 3 , 7 4 , 75 and 76
w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . )
19
20
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u ,
21
THE COURT:
C ross D u r r —
22
MR. T R U ITT:
23
THE COURT:
24
MR. McGRATH:
25
THE COURT:
N o th in g ,
s i r . T h a t's
I
meanD a v i s .
Your H o n o r.
C ross D u r r .
N o th in g .
C ross Edwards?
a ll
I
have.

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1
MR. JACKSON:
2
THE COURT:
N o th in g .
You may s t e p down.
(The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d .)
3
MR. BELLA:
4
F la k e s K e llu m i s
th e n e x t w it n e s s ,
Y our
H onor.
5'
THE COURT:
6
7
speak d i r e c t l y
8
everybody in
P le a s e be s e a t e d ,
in to
p u ll your c h a ir up,
th e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t
t h e c o u r tr o o m may h e a r .
You may p r o c e e d ,
9
c o u n s e l.
FLAKES KELLUM
10
c a l l e d as a w i t n e s s by t h e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y
sworn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , t h e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h i n g b u t
t h e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s :
11
12
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
13
14
15
Q
Would you s t a t e y o u r name,
16
A
F l a k e s K e llu m .
17
Q
And w o u ld you s p e l l y o u r f i r s t
18
A
F -L -A -K -E -S ,
19
Q
M r.
K e l lu m ,
and l a s t names?
K -E -L -L -U -M .
you w ere o r i g i n a l l y
in d ic tm e n t in
21
Count 3 o f t h e
22
a lo n g w i t h
23
M c In to s h ,
24
v io la te
f e d e r a l drug t r a f f i c k i n g
Yes,
is .
A
it
.
s ir?
20
25
803
DIRECT
th is
case w i t h
in d ic tm e n t
Lee E dw ard s ,
in
c h a rg e d i n
Count 3 o f t h e
c o n s p ira c y —
th is
I'm
case w i t h
James D a v i s ,
B r e t t Guyton and o t h e r s ,
so rry,
c o n s p ira c y
L y n e tta D u rr,
w ith
la w s ,
yes.
W illie
c o n s p ira c y to
is
th a t
c o rre c t?

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1
Q
804
DIRECT
And d id you a g re e t o p le a d g u i l t y
to
th a t count in
exch an ge
2
f o r a reco m m en d atio n o f th e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r th e
3
g u id e li n e s
4
and a d is m is s a l o f any o t h e r c o u n t t h a t you m ig h t be
5
c h a rg e d w ith ?
as t h e y a p p ly to y o u r p a r t i c u l a r
6
A
Yes,
7
Q
And as p a r t o f t h a t a g re e m e n t,
I
d id .
tr u th fu lly
8
Yes,
10
Q
M r.
11
A
G a ry .
12
Q
Do you know Lee Edwards?
13
A
Yes.
14
Q
Can you t e l l
A
I
te s tify
a c r im in a l t r i a l ?
i n w h at c i t y
do you r e s id e ?
us w h a t y o u r
.
r e l a t i o n s h i p w i t h Lee w a s ,
say
t o O c to b e r o f 1990?
was a w o rk e r f o r Lee Andrew Edwards i n d i s t r i b u t i n g
d ru g s .
17
to
d id .
K e llu m ,
p rio r
d id you a g re e
c a l l e d upon to do so in
A
16
I
if
9
15
c ir c u m s ta n c e s
I
s o ld d ru g s f o r M r.
E dw ard s.
18
Q
And f o r how lo n g w o u ld you say you d id
19
A
A b o u t a y e a r and a h a l f .
20
Q
D id you have any p a r t i c u l a r
Edw ards r e g a r d in g y o u r d ru g s a le s
22
g et fo r
A
Yes.
24
Q
And can you t e l l us w h at t h a t was?
25
A
W e ll,
fir s t
as f a r
as w h a t you w o u ld
th e d ru g s?
23
at
f o r him?
k in d o f a rra n g e m e n t w i t h M r.
21
s e llin g
th a t
I
was g e t t i n g
a d o lla r
a p ac k ag e
fo r e v e ry

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1
p a c kag e t h a t
2
Q
3
A
4
Q
If
I
s o ld .
At f ir s t
you w ere g e t t i n g
you s o l d and t h e n i t
6
you s o ld ?
A
8
Q
9
A
11
Q
12
a p p re c ia te
it?
a d o lla r
f o r e v e r y p a c k ag e t h a t
w ent up t o $2 f o r
e v e r y p a c k ag e t h a t
Yes.
W hat k in d o f packag es a r e wet a l k i n g
a b o u t, w h a t s iz e
$10 p a c k a g e s .
And i f
you s o ld a package f o r
w h ere d i d t h e r e m a in in g
13
A
To M r .
14
Q
Where d i d you
15
A
16
$8 go
t h a t $10 and you k e p t $ 2 ,
to ?
E dw ards.
At f ir s t
s e ll
f r o m , w h at l o c a t i o n ?
I was d o in g i t
fro m home,
t h e n I w o rk e d t h e
s tre e ts .
Q
18
M r.
—
MR. TR U ITT:
19
Your H o n o r,
if
you c o u ld ask him t o
speak
up j u s t a b i t
20
THE COURT:
21
THE WITNESS:
22
I'd
to g et $2.
pac k ag e s?
10
17
s ir,
s ta rte d
O kay.
5
7
Then I
you c o u ld speak u p ,
805
DIRECT
A
At f ir s t
I
d id
P le a s e
it
23
THE COURT:
24
MR. TR U ITT:
25
MR. BELLA:
r a is e y o u r v o ic e
fro m home,
Is
th e n I went to
th a t b e tte r,
Yes.
a ta d .
M r.
Thank y o u .
th e
—
Your H o n o r.
s tre e ts .

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1
Q
And d ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n
s e ll
2
f o r M r.
—
A
H e r o in and c o c a in e .
4
Q
W ould you s e l l o t h e r s iz e
5
A
Yes.
6
Q
W hat was th e m ost common s iz e
7
A
$25 p a c k ag e s o f c o c a in e .
8
Q
Of a l l
th e d i f f e r e n t
10
A
$10 p a c k a g e s .
11
Q
A b o u t th e
13
w e re s e l l i n g
14
A
t h a t you w o u ld s e l l ,
w h at was
t h e most o f?
Edwards was a r r e s t e d
do you have an e s t im a t e
At fir s t
p ackag e t h a t you w o u ld s e l l ?
w h at w o u ld you s e l l
tim e t h a t M r.
1990,
pac k ag e s as w e ll?
s iz e s
t h e most common s i z e ,
12
w h at k in d o f d ru g s d id you
Edwards?
3
9
806
DIRECT
in
O c to b e r o f
as t o how many p a c k a g e s you
a t t h a t tim e ?
I was g e t t i n g
about 125,
and th e n I
th in k
I
w ent
up t o a b o u t 2 5 0 .
15
16
Q
A b o u t 250 packag es?
17
A
Yes.
18
Q
And how lo n g w o u ld i t
19
A
Sometime i t
20
Q
A week?
21
A
U h -h u h .
22
Q
So o v e r a m o n t h ly b a s i s ,
23
A
Yes.
24
Q
How w o u ld you p i c k up t h e s e 250 p a c kag es?
25
A
I
t a k e you t o
s e ll
t h o s e 250 p a c k ag e s?
w o u ld t a k e me a w eek.
w o u ld go t o h i s home.
you w ere s e l l i n g
more t h a n 250?

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DIRECT
807
1
Q
And when you w en t t o h is home, w h at w o uld happen?
2
A
I
3
Q
D id you keep any k in d o f a c c o u n tin g as t o how many p a c k a g e s
4
w o u ld go t h e r e
and w e 'd make up th e p a c k a g e s .
you w ere g e t t i n g
and how much you owed him?
5
A
Yes.
6
Q
How w o u ld you do t h a t ?
7
A
On a s l i p
8
Q
M r.
9
K e llu m ,
I 'm
c o n v e r s a t io n s
10
11
o f p a p e r.
g o in g to have some ta p e s p la y e d o f
t h a t you p a r t i c i p a t e d
in
and I 'm
g o in g t o
ask
you a fe w q u e s tio n s a b o u t th o s e ?
A
A ll
12
r ig h t.
MR. JACKSON:
13
lim itin g
Y our H o ffo r,
in s tr u c tio n
w ith
I
r e q u e s t you re a d th e
r e s p e c t to
th e
tr a n s c r ip ts .
14
THE COURT:
15
M r. M ay, b e f o r e you s t a r t th e m a c h in e ,
You may and i t
w ill
be g r a n t e d .
I w ant to
re a d
16
17
18
MR. BELLA:
Q
M r.
K e llu m ,
t h e r e 's
a s e t o f headphones i n
19
w onder i f
20
J u s t s lid e
21
P u t th o s e on and aim them so t h i s
22
c o r n e r and you can a d ju s t th e volum e on th e
you w o u ld move t h i s
t h a t b u tt o n
to
23
THE COURT:
24
L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n ,
25
id e n tifie d
th e
b u tt o n
to
fro n t o f you,
I
th e on p o s i t i o n .
r i g h t down a t th e b o tto m .
b a ll
fa c e s
to w a rd t h a t
s id e .
J u s t a m in u te b e f o r e you s t a r t .
ta p e
by w itn e s s e s w i l l
r e c o r d in g s
be r e c e iv e d
o f c o n v e r s a tio n s
in to
e v id e n c e .

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1
T r a n s c r i p t s w i l l be f u r n is h e d
2
lis te n
3
a re d i f f i c u l t
to
th e ta p e s t o
f o r y o u r g u id a n c e as you
c la r ify
to h e a r and i n
The t a p e s ,
4
h o w e v e r,
p o r t io n s
a r e e v id e n c e
tra n s c rip ts
6
v a ria tio n s
7
th e
8
d e te rm in e
9
you must d i s r e g a r d t h e t r a n s c r i p t s
are
a re n o t e v id e n c e .
betw e e n t h e tw o ,
you p e r c e i v e
you a r e
any
t o be g u id e d s o l e l y by
If
you a r e u n a b le
to
t a p e s t h a t p a r t i c u l a r words w e re s p o k e n ,
fu rth e r
in s tru c te d
12
w h ic h a p p e a r on t h e t r a n s c r i p t s
13
th e m s e lv e s and o f t h e
W ith t h a t ,
14
t h e c ase and t h e
i n s o f a r as th o s e words
concerned.
You a r e
11
If
ta p e s w h ic h
s p e a k e rs .
in
t a p e s and n o t by t h e t r a n s c r i p t s .
fro m t h e
o f th e
id e n tify in g
5
10
808
DIRECT
if
id e n tity
th a t
t h e names o f s p e a k e r s
a r e n o t e v id e n c e o f
o f th e
e v e ry b o d y i s
speakers
reco rd ed .
re a d y p le a s e p u t th e
headphones on y o u r —
15
MR. MAY:
16
E x h ib it
58.
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 8 , an a u d i o t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
17
18
MR. BELLA:
19
20
Q
J u s t a c o u p le o f q u e s t i o n s
21
you s a i d t o L o r r i ,
22
me w h a t I
g o t,
te ll
about t h a t ,
Lee t o lo o k a t h i s
w h at w ere you r e f e r r i n g
23
A
The number o f p a c k a g e s t h a t
24
Q
And w h a t t i c k e t a r e you r e f e r r i n g
25
A
The t i c k e t
th a t
I
M r.
I
had g o t t e n ,
K e l lu m .
When
tic k e t
and t e l l
to ?
had g o t .
to?
you know,
a fte r
I
r e c e i v e d my

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packages.
1
I
t h a t th e
had l o s t m in e .
2
Q
Is
3
A
Yes.
4
Q
The way o f k e e p in g t r a c k
5
A
Yes,
6
A
When you say —
it
t i c k e t you t e s t i f i e d
to e a r l i e r ?
o f how many p a c k ag e s you g o t?
is .
when L o r r i
s a i d to you t h a t t h e
tic k e t
s a id
130 brown?
7
8
A
Yes.
9
Q
W hat does t h a t th e n ?
10
A
T h a t mean 130 brown p a c k a g e s .
11
Q
And w h a t i s
12
A
H e r o in .
13
Q
Brown h e r o in ?
14
A
Yes.
15
Q
And w h a t s iz e
16
A
$10 p a c k a g e s .
17
Q
And when you s a i d e i g h t ,
18
A
c e n t p a c k a g e s o f c o c a i n e .
19
Q
And 25 c e n t p a c k ag e s o f c o c a in e
20
A
$25.
21
Q
And when she s a i d 26 g i r l ?
22
A
$10 p a c k a g e s o f g i r l ,
23
Q
Now,
a ls o
on 1 5 t h ,
24
25
809
DIRECT
A
in
brown?
p a c k ag e s w o u ld th o s e be?
g i r l ;
w h at does t h a t mean?
c o s t how much?
c o c a in e .
t h a t c o n v e rs a tio n L o r r i
w e 'll
be on 4 t h ;
to ld
you i f
w e 'r e
not
w h at does t h a t mean?
T h a t t h e y w o u ld be on 4 t h and T a f t a t t h e i r
o th e r house.

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1
Q
A t t h e o t h e r house?
2
A
Yes.
3
Q
Now,
4
th is
1 5 t h and t h i s
DIRECT
th ,
810
where w o uld you go t o
Lee t o p i c k up t h e packag es and d ro p o f f y o u r money?
5
A
A t h is house.
6
Q
And w h ic h house w o u ld you go to?
7
A
t h and T a f t o r e i t h e r
8
Q
What w o u ld Lee do as f a r
9
A
Say t h a t a g a in ?
10
Q
Why two houses?
11
A
I
12
Q
What w o u ld —
13
A
re a lly
W e ll,
I
c o u ld n 't
1 5 th
te ll
and T a f t .
as t h e s e
two houses a r e c o n c e rn e d ?
you t h a t .
how lo n g w o uld he be a t one house u s u a l l y ?
c o u ld n 't t e l l
you t h a t .
A ll
14
me —
15
lo n g enough f o r me t o goi n and g e t my
16
th a t
17
know.
18
Q
19
A
20
Q
21
A
lo n g enough f o r me t o go i n
I w o u l d n ' t know how
I
knew lo n g enough
p a c k a g e , and
a fte r
t h and T a f t ?
Yes.
Sometimes y o u 'd have t o go t o
1 5 t h and T a f t ?
Yes.
MR. BELLA:
23
MR. MAY:
24
MR. BELLA:
th a t c o rre c t?
Why d o n ' t we p l a y t h e n e x t t a p e .
E x h ib it
fo r
and g e t my p a c k a g e —
lo n g he w o u ld s t a y t h e r e , you
B u t som etim es y o u 'd have t o go t o
22
25
t o m eet
59.
The l a s t e x h i b i t you p l a y e d was 5 8 ,
is

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1
MR. MAY:
811
DIRECT
Yes.
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 9 , an a u d io t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
2
3
4
5
MR. BELLA:
Q
M r.
c a ll
6
K e llu m ,
I
n o tic e
th is
is
an o u t g o in g c a l l ,
is
a
fro m Lee t o you?
7
A
Yes.
8
Q
And when Lee t a l k e d
about h is
w h at h e ' s
to?
9
th a t
re fe rrin g
Seagrams b a g ,
10
A
T h a t was t h e bag t h a t he k e p t t h e d ru g s i n .
11
Q
The bag t h a t he k e p t t h e d ru g s in ?
12
A
Yes.
13
Q
And t h e
14
A
Was a w h is k e y b a g ,
15
Q
Thank y o u ,
do you know
.
Seagrams b a g , w h at k i n d o f bag i s
you know,
th a t?
t h a t w h is k e y came i n .
s ir.
16
We can p l a y t h e n e x t e x h i b i t .
17
MR. MAY:
E x h ib it 72.
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 7 2 , an a u d io
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
18
ta p e
19
MR. BELLA:
20
21
moment?
22
moment.
23
Q
M r.
I'm
K e l lu m ,
Your H o n o r,
s o rry.
may we i n t e r r u p t
I w a n te d t o
have you h e a r d t h i s
24
L o o k in g a t t h a t
tra n s c rip t,
25
t r a n s c r ip t about f iv e
lin e s
in te rru p t
fo r
th is
ju s t a
fo r
ju s t
a
c o n v e rs a tio n b e fo re ?
th e
second page o f t h a t
o ff
t h e b o tto m w h ere Lee s a y s .

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1
okay,
2
b e fo re ?
3
If
4
THE COURT:
5
MR. BELLA:
6
Q
'c a u s e
I
I
812
DIRECT
d i d n ' t have i t
to n ig h t;
d i d you r e a d t h a t
may a p p ro a c h t h e w it n e s s ?
G o ing t o t h e
You may.
to p page and l o o k i n g a t t h e
7
w here Lee s a y s ,
8
And when you l i s t e n e d
9
lo o k e d a t t h a t t r a n s c r i p t ,
d i d you i n d i c a t e
erro r
to a c e r t a i n
10
A
Yes.
12
Q
What
13
A
M c K n ig h t.
14
Q
M c K n ig h t.
15
A
It's
Q
17
A
19
Q
20
t y p e o f m ix i s
to t h is
d i d n ' t have i t ,
uh,
to n ig h t.
c o n v e rs a tio n p r e v io u s ly
th a t th a t
and
was a
t y p e o f mix?
th a t?
M cK n igh t?
So when you s a i d t h a t —
c o c a in e .
when you l i s t e n e d
to
th a t,
he was
s a y i n g he d i d n ' t have t h a t M c K n igh t?
Yes.
Okay.
Thank y o u ,
s ir ,
we can k e ep l i s t e n i n g
21
the
22
we w e r e ,
23
What i s
I
s o m e th in g t h a t you use t o m ix w i t h
re a lly
18
'c a u s e
and he was r e f e r r i n g
11
15
okay,
second page a g a i n
COURT:
I j u s t w a n te d t o c l e a r
C o u n s e l,
I
so we can re m in d t h e
b e lie v e
—
24
s a i d h o l d on and she was t r y i n g
25
te le p h o n e ,
so I
th in k
If
t o t h e e x h i b i t now.
do you w a n t t o p o i n t o u t w here t h e
MR. BELLA:
th a t up.
I
b e lie v e
ta p e
s to p s .
Dawn Law re n c e had
t o g e t Lee
i t was v e r y e a r l y
j u r y w h ere
on
on t h e
in th e

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tr a n s c r ip t,
1
2
about fo u r lin e s
THE COURT:
down. Your H o n o r.
You may p ro c e e d .
(The p l a y i n g o f Governm ent E x h i b i t Number
7 2 , an a u d io t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was resumed i n
open c o u r t . )
3
4
MR. BELLA:
5
6
Q
J u s t a fe w q u e s tio n s a b o u t t h a t ,
you need t o
7
see th e g i r l ,
A
C o c a in e .
9
Q
And when he s a id do you need t o
K e llu m .
When Lee s a id
see th e
g ir l,
to ?
w h a t d id
th a t
mean t o you?
10
11
A
C o c a in e .
12
Q
And w h a t a b o u t c o c a in e ?
13
A
W e ll,
14
Q
I
he was a s k in g me d id
see.
And —
M c K n ig h t,
15
te ll
I w a n t some.
and when he s a id
A
It 's
a m ix t h a t you use w it h
17
Q
W here do you g e t t h a t
18
A
A r e c o r d shop .
19
Q
And you a s ke d him i f
20
A
Yes.
21
Q
J u s t ta k e
22
A
T h a t he needs j u s t one p a c k a g e ,
it
Q
I
see.
d i d n ' t have t h a t
c o c a in e .
from ?
a ll
he needed was one?
o u t th e money; w h at does t h a t mean?
was th e money t h a t
23
I
us a g a in w h a t M c K n ig h t is ?
16
25
M r.
w h at was he r e f e r r i n g
8
24
813
DIRECT
And th e n i n
m ig h ty w h it e y ,
I
t a k in g
it
o u t o f th e money
owed t o h im .
th e
c o n v e r s a t io n Lee s a i d ,
and you s a i d ,
oh,
no.
W hat i s
we h ave some
th a t?

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1
A
H e r o in .
2
Q
Is
3
A
W h ite .
4
Q
And why d id you say o h , no ;
it
a p a r tic u la r
814
DIRECT
k in d o f h e r o in ?
is
th e re
s o in e th in g s p e c ia l
abou t th a t?
5
6
A
W e ll,
7
Q
T h a t 's w h a t you fo u n d fro m y o u r c u sto m ers?
8
A
Yes.
9
Q
And th e n f i n a l l y
t h e r e was some t a l k
th e p a p e r y o u 'r e
ta lk in g
10
11
A
It
e v e ry b o d y p r e f e r s
in .
about p a p e r; w hat is
ab o u t?
was p a p e r t h a t you used t o
d ru g s
12
th e w h it e .
fo ld
—
you know,
t o p u t th e
J u s t -----
13
Q
And —
I 'm
s o rry ?
14
A
J u s t w h it e
p a p e r.
15
Q
And w o u ld you som etim es s u p p ly th e p a p e r o r b r in g
A
Yes,
I
w o u ld g e t th e p a p e r f o r h im .
18
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u ,
19
THE COURT:
C ro ss D a v is .
20
MR. T R U IT T :
21
THE COURT:
22
MR. McGRATH:
23
THE COURT:
24
MR. JACKSON:
25
over
th e r e ?
16
17
it
s ir ,
No q u e s t io n s .
I
have n o th in g
Y our H o n o r.
C ro ss D u r r .
No q u e s t io n s C ro ss E d w ard s.
Thank y o u .
Y our H o n o r.
fu rth e r.

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815
CROSS EDWARDS
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. JACKSON:
1
2
3
Q
M r.
K e llu m ,
4
A
No,
I
5
Q
And you w ere c h a rg e d i n
6
A
Yes,
7
Q
A re you r e p r e s e n t e d by an a t t o r n e y ?
8
A
Yes.
9
Q
Have you been s e n te n c e d y e t ?
10
A
No,
11
Q
Has y o u r a t t o r n e y a d v is e d you o f t h e minimum and maximum
12
you use drugs?
do n o t .
th is
in d ic tm e n t,
w ere you n o t?
I was.
I
have n o t .
p e n a ltie s
a g a i n s t you?
13
A
Yes.
14
Q
What was t h e maximum p e n a l t y you w ere f a c i n g when you w e re
15
c h a rg e d ?
16
A
I
17
Q
Okay.
18
d o n 't
remember j u s t
Now, you e n t e r e d
G o v e rn m e n t,
19
A
Yes,
20
Q
And i n
I
in to
th e
t o p o f my h e a d .
a p l e a a g re e m e n t w i t h
th e
h a v e n ' t you?
have.
t h e te rm s o f t h a t p l e a a g r e e m e n t ,
y o u 'r e
supposed t o
g e t what ty p e o f b e n e f it s ?
21
22
A
I
23
Q
The minimum s e n te n c e ?
24
A
I
25
rig h t o ff
n e v e r d i s c u s s e d t h a t w i t h h im .
th in k
th a t.
he s a i d
s o m e th in g l i k e
I
d o n 't th in k
y e a r s ,
I
d id .
s o m e th in g l i k e

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1
Q
CROSS EDWARDS
816
B ut p u r s u a n t t o t h e te rm s o f y o u r p l e a a g r e e m e n t ,
a r e n 't
2
you g o in g t o g e t t h e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r t h e g u i d e l i n e
3
range?
4
A
Yes.
5
Q
D id y o u r a t t o r n e y d is c u s s w i t h you t h e g u i d e l i n e s ?
6
A
Yes,
7
Q
How th o s e work?
8
A
Yes.
9
Q
D id he d is c u s s
10
A
Y e s , he d i d .
11
Q
Do you know w h at c a t e g o r y y o u ' r e
12
A
I
13
Q
Were you i n
14
A
I
he d i d .
d o n 't
th in k
th e c r im in a l
remember j u s t
th e
firs t
c a teg o ry?
rig h t o ff
in ?
th e
t o p o f my h e a d ,
s ir.
c a teg o ry?
so.
15
MR. JACKSON:
16
THE COURT:
R e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t.
17
MR. BELLA:
No r e d i r e c t .
18
THE COURT:
R e c ro s s D a v i s .
19
MR. TR U ITT:
20
THE COURT:
21
MR. McGRATH:
22
THE COURT:
23
I
have n o t h i n g
N o th in g ,
fu rth e r.
Your H o n o r .
Your H o n o r.
R e c ro s s D u r r .
N o th in g ,
Your H o n o r.
You may s t e p down,
th a n k you f o r
(The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d .)
24
THE COURT:
C a ll your n ext w itn e s s .
25
MR. BELLA:
D a v id R o t h .
c o m in g .

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THE COURT:
1
J u s t a m in u te .
2
j u r y p le a s e pass back th e
3
r ig h t th e re .
M r. B e l l a ,
4
B e fo re we do t h a t ,
tr a n s c r ip ts .
w o u ld you k i n d l y
5
h e re
fro m th e w itn e s s
6
e a rp h o n e s a r e o f f .
7
w itn e s s ?
You can le a v e
r e tr ie v e
You may s te p down.
MR. BELLA:
D a v id R o th .
9
THE COURT:
S ir ,
s till
can th e
th e
it
tr a n s c r ip ts
s ta n d and make s u re t h a t th e
8
y o u 'r e
817
DIRECT
p le a s e
come to
10
r e a liz e
under o a th .
11
r e - a d m in is t e r e d ?
12
MR. TR U ITT:
13
MR. MCGRATH:
N o, Y our H o n o r.
14
MR. JACKSON:
N o, Your H o n o r.
W ho's y o u r n e x t
th e w it n e s s
s ta n d ,
you
Do c o u n s e l w a n t th e o a th
N o, Your H o n o r.
•
DAVID ROTH
15
r e c a l l e d as a w itn e s s by th e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g p r e v i o u s l y
d u ly sworn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and
n o th in g b u t th e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r
as f o l l o w s :
16
17
18
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
19
20
21
Q
W ould you s t a t e
y o u r name, p le a s e ?
22
A
D a v id R o th .
23
Q
And y o u 'r e
24
A
Yes.
25
Q
S p e c ia l A g e n t R o th —
a s p e c ia l a g e n t w i t h
th e
FB I?
.

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1
If
2
THE COURT:
3
MR. BELLA:
4
Q
I
may a p p ro a c h ,
You may.
5
Governm ent E x h i b i t
6
id e n tify
7
A
Yes,
8
Q
D id you p r e p a r e
9
Your Honor?
Hand you w h a t ' s been marked f o r
th o se,
52,
53,
id e n tific a tio n
54 and 5 5 ,
p u rp o s e s as
and ask i f
you can
p le a s e ?
th e s e a re ta p e s
fro m t h e T i t l e
818
DIRECT
I
d u p lic a te d .
th o s e c a s s e t t e s
III
10
A
T h a t's
11
Q
And d i d you exam ine
w ire
fro m t h e d u p l i c a t e
re e ls
in te r c e p ts ?
c o rre c t.
th e lo g
as
you p r e p a r e d th o s e
c a s s e tte s
12
to ensure t h a t th e
13
t h e l o g and t h a t t h e r e w ere no e q u ip m e n t p ro b le m s a t t h e
14
t im e t h e o r i g i n a l
15
A
16
Q
17
A
18
Q
19
c o n v e r s a t i o n s w ere
r e c o rd e d ?
Yes.
And d i d you l i s t e n
Yes,
I
to
th o s e t a p e s as you made them?
d id .
And d i d t h e d u p l i c a t e
re e ls
a p p e a r t o be a l t e r e d
way?
20
A
No.
21
Q
And d i d
22
th o s e c a s s e t t e s
c o n v e rs a tio n s
23
A
Yes,
24
Q
Thank y o u ,
25
c o n v e r s a t i o n s m atched t h e n o t a t i o n s
a c c u ra te ly d u p lic a te
on t h e d u p l i c a t e
th e
re e ls ?
th e y d id .
s ir .
MR. BELLA;
If
I
may a p p ro a c h .
Y our Honor?
i n any
in

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1
THE COURT:
You may.
2
MR. BELLA:
I
and 55 i n t o
3
819
DIRECT
move t o
in tro d u c e
E x h ib its
52,
53,
54
e v id e n c e .
4
THE COURT:
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
5
MR. TR U ITT:
6
MR. MCGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
7
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
8
THE COURT:
No o b j e c t i o n .
T h e y 're
a ll
a d m itte d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Numbers 5 2 , 5 3 ,
55 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . )
9
54 and
10
11
MR. BELLA:
If
12
THE COURT:
You may.
13
MR. BELLA:
14
Q
A ll
th o s e e x h i b i t s
I
may a p p r o a c h .
w ere c o n v e r s a t i o n s ,
15
c o n v e r s a t i o n s t h a t James B a r e f i e l d
16
c o rre c t?
17
A
MR. BELLA:
If
19
THE COURT:
You may.
20
MR. BELLA:
Q
I
Show you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r
G o v e r n m e n t's E x h i b i t 8 9 ,
23
p le a s e ?
25
A
p a rtic ip a te d
in ,
is
th a t
may a p proach?
22
24
d ru g -re la te d
Yes.
18
21
Your Honor?
Yes,
I
can.
A g a in ,
fro m t h e d u p l i c a t e
it's
re e ls .
id e n tific a tio n
and ask i f
a d u p lic a te
p u rp o s e s as
you can i d e n t i f y
c a s s e tte
ta p e
I
th a t.
made

Page 29 ROTH -
1
Q
reg ard to t h a t c a s s e tte
3
to ?
A
5
Q
6
7
820
And d i d you e n s u re t h a t t h e same f a c t o r s w ere t r u e w i t h
2
4
DIRECT
Yes,
I
as w i t h
t h e ones you j u s t
te s tifie d
d id .
And i s
th a t a d r u g -r e la te d
c o n v e r s a t io n p a r t i c i p a t e d
in
by
P h e n e th e r Buchanan?
A
Yes,
s ir.
8
MR. BELLA:
9
Thank y o u ,
i n t r o d u c e Governm ent E x h i b i t
s ir .
89 i n t o
10
THE COURT:
11
MR. T R U IT T :
12
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
13
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
14
THE COURT:
15
Y our H o n o r,
I
move t o
e v id e n c e .
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
No o b j e c t i o n .
It'S
a d m itte d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 89 was a d m i t t e d
in t o e v id e n c e .)
16
17
MR. BELLA:
If
18
THE COURT:
You may.
19
MR. BELLA:
20
Q
I
I
may a p p r o a c h .
hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r
21
as G o v e r n m e n t's E x h i b i t 90 and 9 1 ,
22
id e n tify
I
th o se,
23
A
Yes,
24
Q
And w h a t a r e
25
A
Your Honor?
id e n tific a tio n
and ask i f
p u rp o s e s
you can
p le a s e ?
can.
th o se,
s ir?
Those a r e c o n v e r s a t io n s
t h a t w ere d u p li c a t e d
fro m th e

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1
2
d u p lic a te
Q
And d i d
3
w ith
4
to?
5
A
6
Q
T itle
III
re e l.
y o u make s u r e
those
821
D IR E C T
casse tte s
th a t
a ll
as w i t h
the
the
same f a c t o r s
ones y o u j u s t
were
tru e
te s tifie d
Yes.
And a r e
7
th o s e
d ru g -re la te d
c o n v e rs a tio n s
p a r tic ip a te d
in
by
R o b e r t M a tth e w s ?
8
A
Yes,
th e y a re .
9
Q
Thank y o u ,
10
I
11
in to
s ir.
move t o
e v id e n c e .
in tro d u c e
G o v e r n m e n t ''s E x h i b i t s
Y our H o n o r.
12
THE COURT:
13
MR. T R U IT T :
14
MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n .
15
MR.
Any o b je c t io n ?
16
THE COURT:
No o b j e c t i o n .
JACKSON:
17
90 a nd 91
No o b j e c t i o n ,
They a re
Your Honor.
a d m itte d .
( G o v e r n m e n t E x h i b i t s Number 90 and 91 w e re
a d m itte d i n t o e v id e n c e .)
18
19
MR. BELLA:
If
20
THE COURT:
You may.
21
MR. BELLA:
22
Q
I
h a nd y o u w h a t ' s
I may a p p r o a c h a g a i n .
b e en m a r k e d f o r
23
as G o v e r n m e n t E x h i b i t
24
p le a s e ,
25
A
Yes,
I
s ir?
can.
92,
and a s k
Your Honor?
id e n tific a tio n
if
purposes
y o u c an i d e n t i f y
th a t,

Page 31 ROTH -
1
2
d u p lic a te
Q
w ith
4
to ?
A
6
Q
III
re e l.
And d i d you make s u re t h a t a l l
3
5
T itle
821
DIRECT
th o s e c a s s e t t e s
as w i t h
th e
same f a c t o r s w e re t r u e
t h e ones you j u s t
te s tifie d
Yes.
And a r e
7
th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d
c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t ic ip a t e d
i n by
R o b e r t M atthew s?
8
A
Yes,
th e y a r e .
9
Q
Thank y o u ,
10
I
11
in to
s ir.
move t o
e v id e n c e .
i n t r o d u c e G o v e r n m e n t's E x h i b i t s
Y our H o n o r.
12
THE COURT:
13
MR. T R U IT T :
14
MR. McGRATH: No
15
MR. JACKSON:
16
THE COURT:
17
90 and 91
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
No o b j e c t i o n .
o b je c tio n .
No o b j e c t i o n ,
Your H o n o r.
They a r e a d m i t t e d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s Number 90 and 91 w e re
a d m itte d in t o e v id e n c e .)
18
19
MR. BELLA:
If
20
THE COURT:
You may.
21
MR. BELLA:
22
Q
I
I may a p p ro a c h a g a i n ,
hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r
23
as Governm ent E x h i b i t
24
p le a s e ,
25
A
Yes,
I
s ir ?
can.
92,
Your Honor?
id e n tific a tio n
and ask i f
p u rp o s e s
you can i d e n t i f y
th a t,

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1
Q
2
And i s
822
DIRECT
t h a t a l s o a c a s s e t t e you p r e p a r e d fro m a d u p l i c a t e
re e l?
3
A
Yes.
4
Q
And d i d you make s u re t h e
5
re g a rd to
6
to ?
th is
7
A
Yes.
8
Q
And was t h i s
9
c a s s e tte
same f a c t o r s w ere t r u e w i t h
as w it h
a d ru g -re la te d
th e ones you j u s t t e s t i f i e d
c o n v e rs a tio n p a r t ic ip a t e d
R o b e rt B u r r e ll?
10
A
Yes,
11
Q
A c t u a l l y a c o u p le o f c o n v e r s a t i o n s
12
13
th a t
A
it
is .
same t y p e ,
is
c o rre c t.
MR. BELLA:
in to
to th e
c o rre c t?
T h a t's
14
15
in
Move t o
i n t r o d u c e G overnm ent E x h i b i t
92
e v id e n c e .
16
THE COURT:
17
MR. T R U IT T :
18
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
19
MR. JACKSON;
No o b j e c t i o n .
20
THE COURT;
21
Any o b je c t io n ?
No o b j e c t i o n .
It's
a d m it t e d .
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 92 was a d m it t e d
in t o e v id e n c e .)
22
23
MR. BELLA;
A g a in i f
24
THE COURT;
You may.
25
MR. BELLA:
I
may a p p r o a c h .
Your Honor?
by

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2
Q
2
I
hand you w h a t ' s baan markad as E x h i b i t 7 8 ,
and ask i f
3
A
Yas,
4
Q
And a r a
5
I
you can i d a n t i f y
th o s a ,
th o s a a l s o c a s s a t t a s
81,
s ir?
d u p lic a t a ra a ls ?
Yas,
7
Q
And d i d you make s u ra t h a t t h e
th a y a r e .
8
re g a rd to those c a s s e tte s
9
te s tifie d
A
Q
12
Yes,
I
same f a c t o r s w e re t r u e w i t h
as w i t h
t h e ones t h a t you
to p re v io u s ly ?
d id .
And a r e
th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d
c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t i c i p a t e d
i n by
L y n e t t a D u r r?
A
Yes,
th e y a re .
14
15
80,
t h a t you p r a p a r a d fro m
A
13
p la a s a ,
79,
can.
6
10
823
DIRECT
MR. BELLA:
79 —
78,
79,
Your H o n o r,
I
move t o
in tro d u c e
E x h ib its
80 and 8 1 .
16
the
COURT:
17
MR. TR U ITT:
18
MR. MCGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
19
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
20
THE COURT:
21
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
No o b j e c t i o n .
They a r e a l l
a d m itte d .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Numbers 7 8 , 7 9 ,
81 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . )
22
23
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u ,
s ir,
24
THE COURT:
C ro ss D a v i s .
25
MR. T R U ITT: N o t h i n g ,
th a t's
Your H o n o r.
a ll
I
have.
80 and

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1
THE COURT:
2
MR. McGRATH:
3
THE COURT;
4
MR. JACKSON:
5
THE COURT:
6
DIRECT
Cross D u r r .
N o th in g ,
Your H o n o r .
C ross Edw ards.
N o th in g ,
Your H o n o r.
You may s t e p down,
MR. BELLA:
James B a r e f i e l d .
8
THE COURT:
P le a s e be s e a t e d ,
9
speak d i r e c t l y
10
everybody in
in to
p u l l your c h a ir up,
t h e c o u r tr o o m may h e a r .
You may p r o c e e d ,
12
MR. BELLA;
c o u n s e l.
Thank y o u ,
13
Your H o n o r.
JAMES BAREFIELD
14
c a l l e d as a w i t n e s s by th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y
sworn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , t h e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h i n g b u t
t h e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s :
15
16
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
17
18
Q
Would you s t a t e y o u r name, p le a s e ?
19
A
Name i s
20
Q
And c o u ld you s p e l l y o u r l a s t name,
James B a r e f i e l d .
THE COURT:
m ic r o p h o n e ,
23
t h a t e v e r y b o d y can h e a r .
M r.
p le a s e ?
P le a s e p u l l up a l i t t l e
22
25
c o m in g .
t h e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t
11
24
th a n k you f o r
(The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d .)
7
21
824
B a re fie ld ,
THE WITNESS:
B -A -R -E -F -I-E -L -D .
c lo s e r
and speak a l i t t l e
to
b it
th e
lo u d e r
so

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1
THE COURT:
2
MR. BELLA:
3
Q
M r. B a r e f i e l d ,
4
th e
5
D a v is ,
6
o th e rs ,
Can th e
j u r y h e a r?
you w ere o r i g i n a l l y
c h a rg e d i n
i n d i c t m e n t a lo n g w i t h Lee Edw ards,
F l a k e s K e llu m , W i l l i e
is
th a t
Count 3 o f
L y n e tta D u rr,
M c In t o s h ,
James
B r e t t G u yto n and
rig h t?
7
A
Yes,
8
Q
And you p l e d g u i l t y
s ir .
c h a r g i n g you w i t h
9
825
DIRECT
10
tra ffic k in g
11
c o c a in e ?
12
A
Yes,
13
Q
And i n
to t h a t count in
th e
c o n s p ira c y to v i o l a t e
la w s by s e l l i n g
in d ic tm e n t
f e d e r a l d ru g
or d i s t r i b u t i n g
h e r o i n and
s ir.
exchange f o r
th a t g u ilty
14
agree to
15
s e n te n c in g g u id e lin e s
16
c ir c u m s t a n c e s and d i s m i s s i n g t h e
17
as t o you?
p le a ,
d i d t h e G overnm ent
recommend t h e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r t h e
as t h e y a p p l y t o y o u r p a r t i c u l a r
r e m a in in g c h a r g e s ,
18
A
Yes,
19
Q
And d i d you a l s o as p a r t o f t h a t p l e a
if
any,
s ir.
20
te s tify
21
tria l?
tru th fu lly
if
a g re e m e n t a g r e e
c a l l e d upon t o do so i n
22
A
Yes,
23
Q
Do you know Lee Edwards?
24
A
Yes,
25
Q
M r. B a r e f i e l d ,
any c r i m i n a l
s ir.
s ir.
w h at I ' m
g o in g t o do i s
to
p l a y some t a p e

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1
re c o rd in g s o f c o n v e rs a tio n s
2
I'll
3
re c o rd in g ,
4
A
A ll
have some q u e s t io n s
DIRECT
826
i n w h ic h you p a r t i c i p a t e d
and
t o ask you a b o u t th o s e t a p e
okay?
rig h t.
5
MR. MAY:
T h is
is
E x h ib it
6
c o n v e rs a tio n s
rig h t
in
a row and we w i l l
7
in te r im .
8
52 and a l s o
two
n o t s t o p on t h e ,
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 2 , an a u d io t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
9
10
11
MR. BELLA:
Q
12
M r.
B a re fie ld ,
in
t h a t c o n v e r s a t i o n a t one p o i n t you w e re
i n f o r m e d t h a t Lee had w h i t e b o y; w h a t i s
13
A
T h a t's
14
Q
Is
15
A
I
16
Q
When you s a y w h i t e b o y ,
17
A
Beg y o u r pardon ?
18
Q
When he says he has w h i t e boy —
19
A
T h a t mean i t ' s
20
Q
Were t h e r e more t h a n one k i n d o f h e r o i n
21
A
No.
it
th a t?
h e ro in .
a p a rtic u la r
guess i f
it's
k i n d o f h e r o in ?
not c u t.
w h at does t h a t mean t o you?
h e ro in .
22
MR. McGRATH:
23
le a d in g q u e s tio n s w ith
24
THE COURT:
25
MR. McGRATH:
I
I'm
I
have no o b j e c t i o n
reg ard to
so rry,
th e
t h a t you c o u ld g e t ?
t o him a s k i n g
c o lo r
o f th e h e r o in .
w hat?
have no o b j e c t i o n
t o him l e a d i n g

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q u e s t i o n as t o t h e
1
827
DIRECT
c o lo r o f th e h e r o in .
MR. BELLA;
2
3
Q
Was t h a t w h i t e h e r o in ?
4
A
Yes,
5
Q
And when you aske d Lee t o make up or a s ked t h a t Lee make up
s ir .
50 dime bags f o r y o u , w h at d i d t h a t mean?
6
7
A
50 d im e s ,
8
Q
I
n o tic e
$10 b a g s .
th a t th a t —
in
th a t c a ll
phone a t 1522 T a f t S t r e e t .
9
a t t h a t a d d re s s o r was t h e r e
11
w o u ld c a l l
A
T h e r e was a d i f f e r e n t
13
Q
Do you r e c a l l w here t h a t w as,
14
A
A ll
remember i s
e x a c tly
t h e phone
a d d r e s s t h a t you
one t o o .
s ir?
on 4 t h and T a f t ,
b u t th e add ress
I
d o n 't
remember o f t h a t .
16
Q
You have t o
17
A
I
s a id
a d iffe re n t
th e
sometimes?
12
15
you were c a l l i n g
Would you a lw a y s c a l l
10
I
-
it
speak up?
was a t
t h and T a f t P l a c e ,
yes.
T h a t's
a n o th e r
ad d ress.
18
19
Q
D id you e v e n t u a l l y g e t more bags o f h e r o i n
20
A
You mean a f t e r
21
Q
Yes,
22
A
I
th is
c o n v e rs a tio n ?
s ir?
d o n 't —
I
c a n 't
re c a ll
if
I
d id
have.
23
24
Q
L e t's
25
A
O kay.
fro m Lee?
p la y
th e o th e r
c o n v e rs a tio n s ?
or n o t .
but I
m ig h t

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MR. BELLA:
2
MR. MAY:
BAREFIELD -
DIRECT
What was t h a t
la s t
L a s t one was 5 2 .
3
828
e x h i b i t number?
T h is one w i l l
be 5 3 .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 3 , an a u d io t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
4
5
6
MR. BELLA:
Q
7
8
A
9
Q
10
M r.
B a re fie ld ,
to ,
you w e re a s k i n g f o r
Yes,
th e
firs t
c o n v e r s a t i o n t h a t we l i s t e n e d
Lee t o make up 50 bags?
s ir.
Now,
in
th is
them t h i n g s
c o n v e r s a t i o n you s a i d you have a b o u t h a l f
s o ld and you have $ 2 0 0 ,
is
of
th a t rig h t?
11
A
12
Q
13
A
Yes,
14
Q
What k i n d o f a r r a n g e m e n t d i d you have w i t h Lee r e g a r d i n g
15
Yes,
in
s ir .
You have t o answer o u t lo u d ?
s ir .
how much you w o u ld owe him f o r
16
A
Out o f t h e
17
Q
Sure?
18
A
$400.
19
Q
O kay.
20
50 you mean?
Fo r 50 dime b a g s ,
A
W e ll,
22
Q
Would he —
23
25
$10 e a c h ,
t h a t w o u ld be $ 5 0 0 .
Why
w o u ld you owe him o n l y $400?
21
24
t h e dime bags?
b e c a u s e t e n o f them was f o r me.
w o u ld he g i v e you some k i n d o f d i s c o u n t
i f you
o r d e r e d t h a t many bags?
A
W e ll,
th a t's
n o t so much a d i s c o u n t .
what I
g e t.
W e ll,
I
It
was j u s t ,
you know,
d o n ' t u n d e r s t a n d w h at you mean

Page 39 BAREFIELD -
1
by a d i s c o u n t .
2
Q
What w o u ld you owe him f o r
3
A
$8.
4
Q
So i f
5
drug s,
is
R ig h t.
7
Q
How much w o u ld
8
A
200.
9
Q
$200?
10
A
T h a t's
11
Q
In
14
15
16
t h a t w o u ld be $250 w o r t h o f
th a trig h t?
A
12
each dime bag?
you s o ld 25 dime b a g s ,
6
13
829
DIRECT
you owe Lee?
rig h t.
th is
c o n v e r s a t i o n you
s a i d you had h a l f
o f them t h i n g s
s o l d and you had $200 f o r him?
A
Yes.
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u .
L e t's
p la y th e n e x t e x h i b i t
numbe r .
MR. MAY:
]_7
54.
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 4 , an a u d io t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
18
19
MR. BELLA:
20
next e x h ib it.
21
MR. MAY:
22
E x h ib it
c o n v e r s a t i o n s on t h i s
23
55.
ta p e ,
I
b e lie v e
w e 'll
t h r o u g h and p l a y
th e re
run r i g h t
are
MR. BELLA;
th e
two
t h r o u g h th e m .
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 5 , an a u d io
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
24
25
Why d o n ' t we go r i g h t
ta p e

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1
Q
M r.
B a re fie ld ,
you c a l l e d
3
be made up f o r y o u .
4
w o u ld be a b l e
A
Lee.
6
Q
And —
and a s ked f o r a c e r t a i n
numbers o f p a c k a g e s t o
Who w o uld d e c id e how many p a c k a g e s you
t o g e t a t a tim e ?
-
7
THE COURT:
8
THE WITNESS:
9
A
Lee.
10
Q
And t h e n i n
11
830
t h e r e w ere a number o f c o n v e r s a t i o n s w h ere
2
5
DIRECT
You have t o
th a t la s t
speak up .
c o n v e r s a t i o n you s a i d you had a b o u t
$ 3 5 0 ; w h a t w ere you d i s c u s s i n g when you t a l k e d
about th a t?
-
12
A
T h a t was money I
13
Q
I'm
14
A
T h a t was some money I
had f o r him f o r —
15
him fro m t h e h e r o i n
g o t fro m h im .
16
f o r h im .
had f o r him fro m th e s a l e
sorry?
I
what I
T h a t's
17
Q
From w h e r e , where d i d
t h a t money come from?
18
A
W e ll,
frie n d s .
19
Q
P a y in g f o r
20
A
R ig h t.
21
Q
And w h ere w o u ld t h a t money go t o ,
22
h im ,
of -
me and a c o u p le
had g o t f o r
t h e money I
t h e packag es?
w here w o u ld t h a t money go to?
23
A
To h im .
24
Q
And w h o 's him?
25
A
Lee.
when you had money f o r
had

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Thank y o u ,
CROSS EDWARDS
1
MR. BELLA:
2
THE COURT:
3
MR. TR U ITT: N o t h i n g ,
4
THE COURT:
Cross D u r r .
5
MR. McGRATH:
N o th in g ,
6
THE COURT:
7
MR. JACKSON:
th a t^ s
a ll
I
have.
C ross D a v i s .
Your H o n o r.
Your H o n o r.
C ross Edw ards.
8
Thank y o u .
Your H o n o r.
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. JACKSON:
9
10
s ir,
831
Q
M r. x B a r e f ie ld ,
11
you w e re a c o - d e f e n d a n t i n
th is
case,
w ere
you n o t?
12
A
13
Q
14
A
15
Q
16
A
17
Q
Yes,
s ir .
And d i d you have an a t t o r n e y
Yes,
t h r o u g h o u t t h e p r o c e e d in g s ?
s ir.
An a t t o r n e y was a p p o i n t e d t o y o u ,
was he n o t?
R ig h t.
And d i d t h a t a t t o r n e y t a l k
t o you a b o u t t h e minimum and
18
maximum p o s s i b l e p e n a l t i e s
t h a t you'^re f a c i n g u n d e r t h e
19
c h a rg e s ?
20
A
Yes.
21
Q
You remember t h a t ?
22
A
Yes,
23
Q
24
A
I
25
Q
No,
s ir.
Do you remember w h a t t h e maximum p e n a l t y was?
th in k
—
on my
p le a
agre em e n t?
o u ts id e your
p le a
a g re em e n t?

Page 42 BAREFIELD -
1
A
Yes,
s ir.
2
Q
40 y e a r s ?
3
A
40.
4
Q
40 y e a r s .
And w h a t b e n e f i t s
5
A
7
Q
W e ll,
20,
O kay.
8
t h e maximum.
Now,
is
th e re
a cap on t h e
s e n te n c e y o u ' r e
g o in g t o
re c e iv e ?
9
A
I
10
Q
You r e c e i v e
11
A
12
d o n 't
I
r e a lly
know.
t h e minimum s e n te n c e ?
guess t h e minimum s e n t e n c e ,
I
guess.
I
—
o th e r —
th e
minimum.
Q
14
15
a r e t h e p l e a a g re e m e n t g o in g t o b r i n g
you?
6
13
832
CROSS EDWARDS
D id y o u r
a t t o r n e y d is c u s s
w i t h you w h at t h a t
minimum m ig h t
be?
A
Yes,
16
to —
17
was,
b u t a c c o rd in g to
you know,
b u t he —
18
Q
19
A
Yes.
20
Q
D id y o u r
21
B u t was i t
c rim in a l
th e g u id e lin e s
t h a t he d i d n ' t a c t u a l l y
he w o u ld d i s c u s s
d ra m a tic a lly
le s s
a t t o r n e y a ls o d is c u s s
re a lly
know w h a t i t
t h a t w i t h me l a t e r .
th an th e
20?
th e c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y ,
c a te g o ry p o in ts ?
22
A
No,
he d i d n ' t .
23
Q
D id
he show you a copy o f t h e
24
A
No,
he d i d n ' t .
25
Q
So y o u ' r e
he s a i d he w o u ld have
not f a m i lia r w ith
s e n te n c in g g u id e lin e s ?
th e
c rim in a l h is to r y
th e

Page 43 BAREFIELD -
1
833
CROSS EDWARDS
c a te g o rie s ?
2
A
No.
3
Q
4
A
No.
5
Q
O kay.
You n e v e r spoke w i t h M r.
6
A
W e ll,
no more t h a n he t o l d me I
7
Q
D id n 't t a lk
8
A
No.
9
Q
Now, do you use drugs?
10
A
11
Q
And how lo n g had you been u s in g d ru g s p r i o r
12
A
I
13
Q
y e a r s ?
14
A
Yes,
15
Q
What
16
A
Have you t a l k e d
P rio r
a b o u t w h at you were
t o my a r r e s t ,
guess c lo s e
B e lla ?
had t o be h e r e .
g o in g t o
say
to d a y ?
yes.
to your a r r e s t?
t o 25 y e a r s .
s ir.
W e ll,
17
t o anybody a b o u t y o u r t e s t i m o n y to d a y ?
t y p e o f d ru g s w o u ld you use?
my d r u g o f c h o ic e
was
h e ro in ,
but I
guess I ' v e
used
a b o u t some o f e v e r y t h i n g .
18
Q
How f r e q u e n t l y w o u ld you use h e r o i n
19
A
E very day.
20
Q
How much ea ch day?
21
A
It
v a rie d .
22
it
was l e s s .
23
—
over $100, w e ll over $100.
24
Q
A —
25
A
I
On p a y d a y ,
you know,
it
say f o r
in s ta n c e ?
was m o re .
B u t t o g i v e you an e x a c t am ount,
n e v e r k e p t c o u n t on how much I
d id .
O t h e r d ays
it
was o v e r

Page 44 BAREFIELD -
CROSS EDWARDS
1
Q
Been th r o u g h rehab?
2
A
Yes,
3
Q
How many tim e s ?
4
A
5
Q
When was t h e
6
A
In
7
Q
Where d i d you go t o
8
A
A t Broadway M e t h o d i s t i n M e r r i l l v i l l e -
9
Q
What t y p e o f p ro g ra m , w ere you an i n - p a t i e n t ?
10
A
11
Q
What t y p e o f p ro g ra m d i d you go th ro u g h ?
12
A
An i n - p a t i e n t p ro g ra m .
13
Q
How lo n g ?
14
A
90 d a y s .
15
Q
16
A
It
17
Q
92?
18
A
Yes,
19
Q
And w h ere d i d you go th e n ?
20
A
A t M e m o r ia l H o s p i t a l
21
0
And w h a t t y p e o f pro g ra m w ere you f o l l o w i n g ?
22
A
It
23
Q
Do you c o n s i d e r
24
25
s ir.
T w ic e .
firs t
tim e ?
'8 9 .
rehab?
Yes.
90 d a y s .
And t h e
was o f —
second t im e you w e n t in ?
a ro u n d Septem ber 1 o f l a s t y e a r .
s ir.
was a
i n M ic h i g a n C i t y .
3 0 - d a y i n - p a t i e n t p ro g ra m .
y o u r s e lf or
em ployee o f Lee Edwards?
A
834
Yes.
d id
you c o n s i d e r y o u r s e l f an

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1
Q
2
A
3
Q
4
A
5
Q
Yes?
6
A
No.
7
Q
D id you e v e r —
,
a c tiv ity
8
d i d you r e p o r t any money g a in e d fro m t h i s
on income t a x
re tu rn s ?
9
A
It
10
Q
What w o u ld you r e c e i v e ?
11
A
Just h e ro in .
12
Q
Have you used any d ru g s s in c e y o u r a r r e s t ?
13
A
No.
w a s n ' t no money g a in e d .
14
MR. JACKSON;
15
THE COURT;
N o t h in g f u r t h e r .
Your H o n o r.
R e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
16
17
18
835
REDIRECT
Q
M r.
B a re fie ld ,
d ru g s
19
you i n d i c a t e d you used d r u g s .
You used
f o r how lo n g ?
20
A
y e a r s .
21
Q
Do you have any e s t i m a t e
22
A
A lto g e th e r?
23
Q
On a w e e k ly b a s is ?
24
A
I
25
Q
Yes.
d o n ' t know.
If
as t o how much i t
How much w o u ld i t
you can t e l l
us?
was c o s t i n g you?
c o s t me on a w e e k ly b a s is ?

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A
R e a lly a c t u a lly put a p ric e
2
3
REDIRECT
on i t ,
I
836
never ever t r i e d
to
count i t .
Q
4
Over th o s e 25 y e a r s do you t h i n k
t h e money you used on
d ru g s w o u ld add up t o a s u b s t a n t i a l
5
A
Oh, d e f i n i t e l y .
6
Q
You w e re w o rk in g ?
7
A
Yes.
8
Q
Is
9
A
Yes,
10
Q
D id y o u r a t t o r n e y
sum?
Because I was w o r k in g .
t h a t w here t h e money came fro m t o pa y f o r
t h e d ru g s?
s ir.
in d ic a te
t o you t h a t
th e g u id e lin e s
th a t
11
w o u ld a p p l y t o you o r t o any o t h e r d e f e n d a n t w o u ld be ba s e d
12
i n p a r t upon how much d ru g s you w e re
13
d is trib u tin g ?
re s p o n s ib le
fo r
14
A
Yes,
15
Q
And w h ere w o u ld you go t o p i c k up t h e s e d ru g s t h a t you
s ir .
d iscu ssed over th e
16
17
A
A t h is
18
Q
Those f i r s t
t e le p h o n e ?
house.
19
th e l a s t
20
house?
c o n v e rs a tio n s
c o u p le w e re a t
I
n o t i c e w ere a t 1 5 t h and T a f t ,
460 T a f t .
Would you go t o e i t h e r
21
A
Yes,
s ir.
22
Q
And when you d is c u s s e d t h e $200 t h a t you had i n
23
c o n v e r s a t i o n s and t h e $350
24
was t h a t a b o u t?
25
A
I
—
I
c a n 't —
in
th e
la s t
th e e a r l y
c o n v e rs a tio n ,
what

Page 47 BAREFIELD -
1
Q
The $200 you d is c u s s e d i n
2
$350 i n
3
to ?
la te r
A
5
Q
6
A
Yes,
7
Q
C o u ld you p o i n t him
8
A
W e a r in g a brown s u i t .
10
837
c o n v e r s a t i o n and t h e
where w o u ld t h a t money go
w o u ld go t o h im .
And do you see Lee Edwards i n
th e
c o u r tr o o m to d a y ?
s ir.
MR. BELLA:
o u t and d e s c r i b e w h at h e ' s w e a r in g ?
Your H o n o r, w o u ld t h e
t h e w i t n e s s has i d e n t i f i e d
11
THE COURT:
12
MR. JACKSON:
13
THE COURT:
14
MR. BELLA:
15
THE COURT:
16
MR. T R U ITT:
17
THE COURT:
18
MR. MCGRATH:
19
THE COURT:
20
MR. JACKSON:
21
THE COURT:
reco rd
re fle c t
th a t
th e d e fe n d a n t.
Any o b j e c t i o n ?
No o b j e c t i o n .
So i n d i c a t e d .
Thank y o u ,
I
have n o t h i n g f u r t h e r .
R e c ro s s D a v i s .
N o th in g ,
Your H o n o r.
R e c ro s s D u r r .
N o th in g .
R e c ro s s Edw ards.
22
23
th e e a r l y
c o n v e rs a tio n ,
4
9
It
th is
REDIRECT
N o th in g ,
Your H o n o r.
You may s t e p down,
th a n k you f o r
c o m in g .
(The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d . )
THE COURT:
L a d ie s and g e n t le m e n ,
24
m in u t e s a f t e r
te n ,
it's
25
o u r mid m o rn in g b r e a k .
it's
p r o b a b l y a good t im e
a b o u t seven
f o r us t o
Remember t h e a d m o n i t io n t h a t
ta k e
th e

Page 48 838
1
C o u r t gave you b e f o r e ;
2
y o u rs e lv e s ,
3
in your presen ce.
4
any o p i n i o n on t h i s
5
you.
6
p l e a s e pass t h e
7
fo llo w
th is
W ith t h a t ,
It
is your d u ty n o t to
case u n t i l
b e fo re
I
it
is
tra n s c rip ts
down t o t h e M a r s h a l .
THE COURT:
You may be s e a t e d .
A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w a n t
break?
MR. MCGRATH:
14
o u r mid m o rn in g
No.
( T h e r e was a r e c e s s t a k e n . )
THE COURT:
about b e fo re
I
A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w is h t o a d d r e s s t h e C o u r t
c a ll
th e
17
MR. TR U ITT:
18
MR. MCGRATH:
No.
19
MR. JACKSON:
No,
20
MR. BELLA:
No,
21
THE COURT:
C a ll
22
j u r y down?
N o th in g ,
Your H o n o r.
Your H o n o r.
Your H o n o r.
th e
ju ry .
(The j u r y w ere e s c o r t e d i n t o
and t h e t r i a l was resumed i n
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
23
25
You may
(The j u r y w ere e s c o r t e d fro m t h e c o u r t r o o m ,
and t h e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s to o k p l a c e ,
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
12
24
s u b m itte d to
d i s c h a r g e you f o r y o u r b r e a k ,
t o a d d r e s s t h e C o u r t a b o u t b e f o r e we t a k e
16
w i t h you o r
fo rm o r e x p r e s s
fin a lly
1
1
15
it
th e M arsh al u p s t a i r s .
9
13
case among
do n o t p e r m i t anyone t o d i s c u s s
8
10
do n o t d is c u s s
THE COURT:
u s u a lly
I
lik e
You may be s e a t e d .
it
cool
in
th e
L a d ie s
co u rtro o m ,
th e c o u rtro o m ,
open c o u r t ,
and g e n t l e m e n ,
but I
re a lly
have

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1
n o t h i n g t o do w i t h
2
be c a l l i n g
3
much h e l p I ' m
4
in
5
degrees.
6
little
7
have.
t h e c o o ln e s s o f t h e C o u r t t o d a y .
th e c u s to d ia n .
U n fo rtu n a te ly
th e w in t e r t im e
th e
te m p e ra tu re
b i t w a rm e r.
I
9
MR. BELLA:
12
13
Your H o n o r,
th e —
73 t h r o u g h 76 a t t h i s
THE COURT:
You may.
w h ic h t a p e y o u ' r e
MR. MAY:
so I ' l l
try
d o n ' t know how much l u c k
C a ll your next w itn e s s .
1
1
d o n ' t know how
s h o u ld be 65 t o 70
The th e rm o m e te r says 7 0 ,
p la y E x h ib its
w ill
g o in g t o g e t because t h e G overnm ent says t h a t
8
10
I
I
M r.
I'd
to g et
I'm
it
a
g o in g t o
ask p e r m i s s i o n t o
tim e .
May, w o u ld you i n d i c a t e
p la y in g .
E x h ib it 73.
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 7 3 , an a u d io t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
14
15
16
MR. MAY:
E x h ib it 74.
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 7 4 , an a u d i o t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
17
18
19
MR. MAY:
E x h ib it 75.
(G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 7 5 , an a u d i o t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
20
21
22
MR. MAY:
E x h ib it
76.
(G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 7 6 , an a u d i o t a p e
r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . )
23
24
25
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u .
Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll w i l l
be o u r

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DIRECT
840
n ext w itn e s s .
2
THE COURT:
3
P le a s e be s e a t e d ,
P le a s e pass t h e
4
in to
5
c o u r tr o o m may h e a r .
tra n s c rip ts
p u ll your c h a ir up,
back.
speak d i r e c t l y
t h e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t e v e r y b o d y i n
6
You may p r o c e e d ,
7
MR. BELLA:
c o u n s e l.
Thank y o u .
8
th e
Your H o n o r.
GWENDOLYN CAMPBELL
9
c a l l e d as a w i t n e s s by t h e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y
sworn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , t h e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h i n g b u t
t h e t r u t h , was exam ined and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s :
10
11
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
12
13
Q
Would you s t a t e y o u r name,
14
A
Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll.
15
Q
And w o u ld you s p e l l y o u r f i r s t
16
A
G -W -E -N -D -0-L ~ Y -N .
17
Q
And y o u r l a s t name, p le a s e ?
18
A
C -A -M -P -B -E -L -L .
19
Q
M is s C a m p b e ll,
p le a s e ?
you have e n t e r e d
20
t h e Governm ent i n
21
rig h t?
name,
in to
a case u n r e l a t e d
22
A
Yes,
23
Q
And t h e G overnm ent a t t o r n e y —
to
p le a s e ?
a p le a
th is
a g re e m e n t w i t h
one,
s ir.
24
MR. McGRATH:
25
THE COURT:
May we a p p ro a c h t h e bench?
You may.
is
th a t

Page 51 CAMPBELL -
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1
MR. McGRATH:
2
3
MR. BELLA:
5
MR. McGRATH:
We have n o t been p r o v i d e d w i t h
No,
I
have no —
any p l e a a g re e m e n t f o r h e r?
7
o f t h e p l e a a g r e e m e n t.
8
u n t i l we can have i t .
9
THE COURT:
th o se
t a p e s now,
T h e r e ' s no —
We ask t h a t t h i s
We have some t a p e s ;
I'd
w itn e s s
s t a n d down
you w a n t t o p l a y
p re fe r
to g e t her te s tim o n y o u t o f th e
w ay.
14
MR. McGRATH:
15
THE COURT:
O kay.
Take a r e c e s s .
(End o f d i s c u s s i o n a t t h e b e n c h . )
16
THE COURT:
L a d ie s and g e n t le m e n , w e ' r e
18
a sh o rt
19
gave you b e f o r e ;
20
do n o t p e r m i t anyone t o d i s c u s s
21
p resen ce.
22
o p i n i o n on t h i s
23
W ith t h a t ,
recess.
It
do n o t d i s c u s s
th is
it
your d u ty n o t to
case u n t i l
you may f o l l o w
it
is
ta k e
th e C o u rt
case among y o u r s e l v e s ,
w i t h you o r
in your
fo rm o r e x p r e s s any
fin a lly
s u b m itte d to you.
th e M arsh al u p s t a i r s .
( T h e r e was a r e c e s s
THE COURT:
g o in g t o
Remember t h e a d m o n i t io n t h a t
is
24
25
we w a n t a copy
g e t them o v e r w i t h ?
MR. BELLA:
12
do you have a copy o f
A recess?
MR. McGRATH:
10
17
a copy o f
You have n o t?
6
13
re c o rd .)
an y p l e a a g r e e m e n t.
4
11
841
DIRECT
You may be s e a t e d .
ta k e n .)
C o u n s e l,
how lo n g a r e

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1
you g o in g t o need?
2
MR. BELLA:
A m a t t e r o f m in u t e s .
3
THE COURT:
Would you k i n d l y a d v is e me when t h e
4
documents have been p r o v i d e d and —
5
MR. McGRATH:
Your H o n o r,
if
6
p r o v i d e d w i t h any c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y
7
ju s t
8
j u s t want to
so we can see p r o o f .
I
W e ll,
w h at I ' m
o p p o r tu n ity to t a l k ,
1
1
Would you a d v is e me when y o u ' r e
12
fo r
13
ta k e
14
s u r e you l e t
15
I'm w a itin g
a l s o we w e re n o t
of h er,
and i f
th e re
it,
is ,
I
c are o f i t .
W e 'll
me know,
s a y in g .
ready or i f
thou gh,
c o u n s e l,
18
a b o u t b e f o r e we c a l l
t h e r e 's
r i g h t now.
MR. McGRATH:
Yes,
ta k e n .)
Your H o n o r,
M is s C a m p b e ll on v o i r d i r e
21
a b o u t h e r b e in g i n
22
a n o th e r w itn e s s
23
THE COURT:
I w o u ld l i k e
about her —
t h e c o u r tr o o m d u r i n g
to
th e C o urt
ju ry ?
20
ju s t
Make
read y.
A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w is h t o a d d r e s s
th e
a need
because o th e r w is e
me when y o u ' r e
( T h e r e was a r e c e s s
THE COURT:
g i v e you an
a d v i s e me o f t h a t and we can
ta k e a s h o rt break
f o r you t o t e l l
17
I'll
lo o k a t w h a t e v e r documents you n e e d .
a h e a r i n g on s o m e th in g ,
16
25
—
d o n ^ t need a copy o f
10
24
I
see i t .
THE COURT:
9
19
Your H o n o r.
show t h a t ' s
You may.
to
ta k e
j u s t make a r e c o r d
th e
te s tim o n y o f
no f a c t u a l —
P le a s e be s e a t e d e v e r y b o d y .
VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION
BY
MR. McGRATH:

Page 53 CAMPBELL - VOIR DIRE
1
Q
G w en dolyn , my name i s
John M c G ra th ,
2
fe w q u e s t i o n s .
3
and s a t and w a tc h e d some o f th e
4
a g e n t?
Now,
5
THE COURT:
6
THE WITNESS:
g o in g t o ask you a
a c o u p le o f days ago you came i n
e a rly
te s tim o n y o f a s p e c ia l
You have t o answer o u t l o u d .
,
7
A
Yes.
8
Q
R obert P e rtu s o ,
9
A
Yes.
10
Q
And t h e n you w ere asked t o l e a v e
11
I'm
843
is
th a t c o rre c t?
th e
c o u rtro o m ,
is
th a t
c o rre c t?
12
A
No,
13
Q
O kay.
14
A
U h -h u h .
15
Q
You have n o t been back s in c e ?
16
A
No.
17
Q
And y o u 'v e n o t o v e r h e a r d any o t h e r t e s t i m o n y by an y o t h e r
18
th e y d i d n 't
W e ll,
ask me t o l e a v e ,
le ft
anyw ay.
you l e f t ?
w itn e s s e s —
19
A
No.
20
Q
—
is
21
th a t c o rre c t?
T h a t was t h e o n l y w i t n e s s
22
A
Yes.
23
Q
And he was t a l k i n g
24
A
O n ly t h i n g he t a l k e d
25
I
t h a t you h e a rd ?
about —
a b o u t was when t h e y w e n t i n t o
house o r s o m e th in g l i k e
th a t.
th e

Page 54 CAMPBELL - VOIR DIRE
1
Q
It
was t h e
2
A
Yes,
s ir .
3
Q
—
4
A
T h a t's
5
Q
6
7
search —
its e lf,
is
th a t
rig h t?
a ll.
And you w e r e n ' t p r e s e n t d u r i n g t h a t and y o u ' r e
te s tify
A
No,
about t h a t ,
is
no.
MR. Mc Gr a t h :
9
THE COURT:
Any o b j e c t i o n s ?
10
MR. TR U ITT:
No o b j e c t i o n .
11
MR. JACKSON:
12
THE COURT:
13
MR. TRU ITT:
No.
14
THE COURT:
O kay.
15
MR. BELLA:
Your H o n o r,
I
17
to d efe n s e c o u n s e l.
18
th o s e c o p ie s ,
19
s itu a tio n
20
p le a
21
a n y th in g
24
25
in to ,
I
A n y t h in g e ls e ?
had —
I
th e re
Some d e f e n s e
and made s u re t h a t
ag reem en t.
a p le a agreem ent t h a t
had p r o v i d e d c o p i e s
c o u n s e l have l o c a t e d
and we have
th e y a l l
O t h e r th a n t h a t ,
fu rth e r
is
th o u g h t I
o t h e r s have n o t ,
THE COURT:
Y ou r H o n o r.
I n s o f a r as h e r b e in g h e r e .
she e n t e r e d
th e
have no f u r t h e r q u e s t i o n s .
No.
16
22
n o t g o in g t o
th a t c o rre c t?
8
23
844
I
re s o lv e d t h a t
have c o p i e s
d o n 't
th in k
o f th e
t h e r e 's
to address th e C ourt a b o u t.
Nobody needs t o
say a n y t h i n g e l s e ?
C a ll
ju ry .
(The j u r y w ere e s c o r t e d i n t o
and t h e t r i a l was resumed i n
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
th e c o u rtro o m ,
open c o u r t ,

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1
845
DIRECT
You may be s e a t e d .
M r.
B e lla ,
you may
c o n tin u e .
2
MR. BELLA:
3
Thank y o u ,
Your H o n o r.
DIRECT EXAMINATION ( C o n t ^ d . )
BY
MR. BELLA:
4
5
6
Q
Would you s t a t e y o u r name,
7
A
Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll.
8
Q
You u n d e r s t a n d y o u ' r e
9
A
Yes,
10
Q
M is s C a m p b e ll,
11
A
Yes,
12
Q
T ry to
13
A
O kay.
14
Q
—
p le a s e ?
s till
u n d e r o a th ?
s ir.
I
do you have a c o l d or som e th in g ?
do.
speak up as w e l l
as you can —
so we can u n d e r s t a n d y o u .
Y o u 'v e e n t e r e d
15
in to
a p l e a a g re e m e n t i n
a s e p a ra te
16
case w h ere t h e A s s i s t a n t U n i t e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y was a
17
M ic h a e l T h i l l ,
is
th a t
rig h t?
18
A
Yes.
19
Q
And t h a t p l e a a g re e m e n t c a l l e d
20
e n te r a p le a o f g u i l t y
21
fa c ilita te
f o r you i n
case t o
t o u s in g a c o m m u n ic a tio n f a c i l i t y
d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g
v io la tio n s ?
22
A
Yes.
23
Q
Is
24
A
Yes,
25
Q
And p a r t o f t h a t p l e a a g re e m e n t c a l l e d
th a t
th a t
rig h t?
s ir.
fo r
t h e G o vernm ent
to

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1
to
recommend t h e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r t h e g u i d e l i n e s
2
w o u ld a p p l y t o you i n
t h a t case
3
te s tify
c a l l e d upon t o do so i n any c r i m i n a l
4
tria l,
tru th fu lly
is
th a t
if
i n exchange f o r you t o
r ig h t?
5
A
Yes,
6
Q
Or any o t h e r p r o c e e d in g where you were —
7
A
Yes.
8
Q
—
9
A
Yes,
10
Q
Now, M is s C a m p b e ll,
11
A
Yes,
12
Q
D ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n
s ir .
c a l l e d upon t o t e s t i f y ,
la te
13
is
th a t
rig h t?
s ir .
I
do you know Lee Edwards?
do.
'8 0 's ,
t o t h e p e r i o d b e tw e e n s a y t h e mid t o
w h at was y o u r r e l a t i o n s h i p
t o Lee?
14
A
A frie n d .
15
Q
And d i d you have any o t h e r d e a l i n g s w i t h Lee?
16
A
I w o rk e d f o r h im .
17
Q
And when you say you w o rked f o r h im ,
18
A
I
19
Q
And w h a t d i d you s e l l
20
A
Packages,
21
Q
Where d i d you s e l l
22
A
2nd and M a r s h a l l ,
w h at d i d you do?
s o ld o u t o f d i f f e r e n t houses.
o u t o f t h e s e d i f f e r e n t houses?
h e r o i n and c o c a i n e .
o u t o f?
t h and V i r g i n i a ,
t h and V i r g i n i a ,
and G r a n t .
23
th a t
24
Q
What was a t
t h and G r a n t ,
25
A
A p artm en t b u i l d i n g .
w h at k i n d o f b u i l d i n g ?
th

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Q
Anywhere e ls e ?
2
A
And on T a f t .
3
Q
Where on T a f t ?
4
A
4th .
5
Q
t h and T a f t .
DIRECT
Draw y o u r a t t e n t i o n
6
M a rs h a ll.
7
Lee Edwards when you s o ld f o r h im ,
8
a r ra n g e m e n ts ?
W e ll,
847
firs t
t o 2nd and
w h at k i n d o f a r ra n g e m e n t d i d you have w i t h
w h at k i n d o f b u s in e s s
9
A
Made $2 o f f
10
Q
O f f o f e v e r y packag e o f what?
11
A
Dime p a c k a g e .
12
Q
Dime package?
13
A
Yes.
14
Q
So a dime packag e i s
15
A
$1 0 .
16
Q
And you w o u ld make how much o f f o f each one?
17
A
Two.
18
Q
I
see.
19
e ls e
20
th ere?
21
A
o f ev ery package.
how much?
Draw y o u r a t t e n t i o n
th en to
2nd and M a r s h a l l ;
s o l d o u t o f t h a t a d d r e s s when you w ere s e l l i n g
D e id re ,
22
Lee,
23
know h i s
s h e 's d e c e a s e d now.
th a t's
a ll.
Oh, A lm o r e ,
And L y n e t t e
C le v e ,
24
Q
C l e v e , A lm o r e ,
25
A
U h -h u h .
some —
t h e name P o o k ie ?
out of
and m y s e l f and
and P o o k i e ,
r e a l name.
who
I
d o n 't

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Q
D e i d r e and L y n e t t e ?
2
A
Yes.
3
Q
When you say —
4
A
Yes.
5
Q
The c o u r t
p l e a s e answer o u t lo ud?
r e p o r t e r has t o t a k e down t h e words t h a t you s a y .
And when you say L y n e t t e ,
6
848
DIRECT
who a r e you r e f e r r i n g
7
A
L y n e tte D u rr.
8
Q
L y n e t t e D u rr?
9
A
Yes.
10
Q
What happened t o t h a t house a t 2nd and M a r s h a l l ?
11
A
It
12
Q
Where e l s e
b u rn e d down o r s o m e th in g .
o t h e r th a n t h a t house on 2nd and M a r s h a l l d i d
Lee Edwards have p e o p le
13
s e llin g
A
A t th e o th e r addresses t h a t
15
Q
Was t h e r e
a n o th e r —
w e ll,
l e t me ask you t h i s .
an y p l a c e
on t h e e a s t s id e
t h a t he s o ld o u t o f?
17
A
T h a t was —
18
Q
Okay?
19
A
t h and V i r g i n i a ,
20
Q
And was t h e r e —
t h and V i r g i n i a
th a t's
—— d ra w y o u r a t t e n t i o n
22
lo c a te d ?
gave.
is
on t h e e a s t s i d e .
any o t h e r p l a c e
t o where t h e
23
A
Oh,
24
Q
Was t h a t a n o t h e r l o c a t i o n
25
A
Yes,
Was t h e r e
on t h e e a s t s i d e .
was t h e r e
21
on 4 t h and P e n n s y lv a n i a
yes.
I
f o r him?
14
16
to ?
I
th in k
fire
near —
s ta tio n
t h a t was.
t h a t he s o ld o u t o f?
is
d i d you

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Q
Now, y o u 'v e
DIRECT
t o l d us a b o u t a l l
849
th e s e p l a c e s ,
2nd and
2
M a rs h a ll,
t h and V i r g i n i a ,
3
b u ild in g ,
and 460 T a f t and th e p l a c e b e h in d t h e
4
s ta tio n .
Which o f th e s e p l a c e s
5
s e ll
6
A
7
t h and V i r g i n i a ,
if
th e a p a rtm e n t
fire
any w o u ld L y n e t t e D u r r
o u t o f?
W e ll,
o n ly p la c e
M a rs h a ll,
she e v e r w orked w i t h me a t was on
-
on 4 t h and P e n n s y lv a n i a and on 8 t h and V i r g i n i a .
8
Q
D id L y n e t t a have a s i s t e r ?
9
A
Yes,
10
Q
And who was t h a t ?
11
A
L aC heryl D u rr.
12
Q
And d i d
13
A
A t one p o i n t .
14
Q
What d i d
15
A
Same t h i n g
16
Q
T h a t's
17
A
Yes.
18
Q
Do you r e c a l l w here she s o ld o u t o f?
19
A
Same p l a c e s .
20
Q
And do you know a p e r s o n by t h e name o f R o s e t t a P i r t l e
21
she d i d .
she have any b u s in e s s d e a l i n g s w i t h Lee?
she do?
I
s e ll
d id .
d ru g s f o r him?
Pon dero sa?
22
A
Yes.
23
Q
What k i n d o f
24
A
Same r e l a t i o n s h i p .
25
Q
And w h ere w o u ld she s e l l
re la tio n s h ip
d id
she have w i t h
d ru g s f o r
Lee i f
Lee o u t o f?
any?
or

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W e ll,
re a lly
R o s e t t a came i n as I was l e a v i n g ,
w o u l d n ' t know a l l ,
2
850
DIRECT
Q
And do you know someone named Plu m ado ra King?
4
A
Yes.
5
Q
D id she have a r e l a t i o n s h i p w i t h Lee as w e l l ?
6
A
Yes.
7
Q
What was t h a t ?
8
A
S e llin g .
9
Q
S e llin g
10
A
Yes.
11
Q
And w here d i d
12
A
A t h e r house and on G r a n t .
13
Q
O ut o f —
14
A
A t h e r house and on G r a n t .
15
Q
A t h e r house?
16
A
A p a rtm e n t.
17
Q
And on G r a n t?
18
A
U h -h u h .
19
Q
A t th e a p a rtm e n t b u ild in g ?
20
A
Yes,
21
Q
Where i s
22
A
It
23
Q
Do you know w h a t k i n d o f a r r a n g e m e n ts
25
f o r him?
she s e l l
o u t o f?
w h at was t h a t you s a i d a g a in ?
s ir .
P lu m a d o ra K i n g 's house i f
you r e c a l l ?
was on 2 5 t h and M a s s a c h u s e t t s .
had w i t h Lee?
A
—
you know, where she s o ld a t .
3
24
so a l l
Same as I
d id .
T h a t's
a ll
I
know o f .
t h e s e o t h e r p e o p le
I

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Q
$2 o f f
2
A
Yes.
3
Q
G w endolyn,
4
A
5
Q
6
A
R ig h t t h e r e .
7
Q
C o u ld you t e l l
Yes,
I
do you see Lee Edwards i n
Can you t e l l
us where he i s
b rie fly
9
THE WITNESS:
Brown s u i t
Your H o n o r,
A ccep t th e
12
MR. BELLA:
Yes,
13
THE COURT:
L e t th e
15
w e 'll
s tip u la te .
c o a t.
THE COURT:
s tip u la tio n
and —
w h at h e ' s w e a r in g ?
1
1
14
t h e c o u r tr o o m to d a y ?
do.
MR. JACKSON:
A
851
each dime bag s o ld ?
8
10
DIRECT
id e n tifie d
s tip u la tio n ?
Your H o n o r.
r e c o r d show t h e d e f e n d a n t has by
t h e d e f e n d a n t Lee E d w ard s .
MR. BELLA:
16
Q
And do you see L y n e t t a D u r r
17
A
Yes,
18
Q
C o u ld you p o i n t h e r o u t and d e s c r i b e w h a t s h e 's w e a r in g ?
19
A
A j o g g i n g s u i t w i t h p i n k and b l u e
20
21
22
23
in
th e
c o u r tr o o m to d a y ?
s ir .
MR. McGRATH:
S tip u la te
th a t
c o lo rs
s h e 's
in
it.
id e n tifie d
th e
d e fe n d a n t.
THE COURT:
L e t th e
w i t n e s s has i d e n t i f i e d
r e c o r d show t h e d e f e n d a n t - -
th e d e fe n d a n t L o r e t t a
24
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u ,
25
THE COURT:
L y n e tta ,
th a t's
a ll
e x cu se me.
I
D u rr.
have.
th e

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2
th a t's
a ll
I
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852
T h e re may be some more q u e s t i o n s
fo r you,
have.
3
THE COURT:
4
MR. TR U ITT:
5
THE COURT:
Cross D a v i s .
N o th in g ,
Your H o n o r.
C ross D u r r .
6
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. Mc Gr a t h :
7
8
Q
G w en dolyn , when d i d y o u r a s s o c i a t i o n w i t h Lee Edwards end?
9
A
I
10
Q
So how lo n g w ere you a s s o c i a t e d w i t h him?
1
1
A
From a b o u t
12
Q
When d i d L o r r i
13
A
I
14
Q
Do you know?
15
A
No,
16
Q
When was i t
17
18
th in k
th in k
I
lik e
about
'8 3 ,
I
'8 4 .
'8 3
on down.
'8 8 ,
s o m e th in g l i k e
th a t —
w e ll,
two d a u g h t e r s ?
I
d id n 't
M a'am , w a i t
MR. Mc Gr a t h :
know a b o u t t h e o t h e r o n e .
fo r
th e a t t o r n e y
I
d o n 't th in k
—
22
Q
You knew a b o u t t h e o l d e r d a u g h t e r ?
23
A
Lee A nn,
24
Q
Lee A nn.
Yes.
'8 9 .
do you know t h a t L y n e t t a D u r r has
to
q u e s t i o n b e f o r e a n s w e r in g i t .
21
25
th a t,
d o n ' t know e x a c t l y .
THE COURT:
20
was a b o u t
knew she had o n e ,
19
Just
Edwards m a rr y Lee Edwards?
about i t
two c h i l d r e n ,
A
'88.
Lee Ann.
And s h e 's
seven?
maybe she —
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h is

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Q
And how —
2
A
No.
3
Q
O kay.
4
I
A
I
6
Q
W e ll,
7
c h ild ?
d id n 't.
8
A
No.
9
Q
It
11
b e fo re
I
c o u ld g e t t h e q u e s t i o n —
12
has somebody
t o you a b o u t w h at has been t e s t i f i e d
j u s t k i n d o f came t o you t h a t
a b o u t two c h i l d r e n ,
A
L y n e t t e was p r e g n a n t .
How d i d you know I was g o in g t o ask you a b o u t t h e
ta lk e d
10
know a b o u t S h a n te w h o 's f o u r ?
d i d n ' t even know she —
o th e r
5
and you d i d n ' t
853
CROSS DURR
You s a i d tw o .
I was g o in g t o ask you
one o f —
And I
s a id
I
knew a b o u t one and I
d id n 't
know a b o u t t h e o t h e r o n e .
13
Q
Was Lee Ann — was
14
A
Yes,
15
Q
I ' i n g o in g t o hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r
th a t's
w h at
Lee Edwards t h e
as D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s
17
at th a t.
18
A
19
Q
What i s
20
A
My t h i n g
21
Q
Your
22
A
Yes.
23
Q
24
fa th e r
E x h ib it 8,
Do you r e c o g n i z e
id e n tific a tio n
and ask you t o
t a k e a lo o k
th a t?
Yes.
th a t?
f o r my g o in g t o c o u r t .
p l e a a g re e m e n t?
And t h a t
is
th e w r i t t e n
document t h a t encompasses t h e
a g re e m e n t b e tw e e n you and t h e Governm ent?
A
o f Lee Ann?
I was t o l d .
16
25
to p re v io u s ly ?
Yes,
s ir.

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Q
In
2
A
Yes,
s ir .
3
Q
What
c o u rtd id
4
th a t o th e r case,
is
CROSS DURR
854
th a t c o rre c t?
you a p p e a r i n and e n t e r y o u r
p le a ,
b e fo re
w h ic h ju d g e ?
5
A
Him .
6
Q
H ere?
7
A
Yes.
8
Q
So you w e re
9
A
Yes.
10
Q
Now, b e f o r e y o u ' r e
.
in fr o n t
o f Judge L o z a n o ,
is
a llo w e d to e n t e r
th a tc o rre c t?
a p le a ,
is
it
tru e
th a t
11
t h e Judge goes th r o u g h each and e v e r y p a r a g r a p h o f t h e p l e a
12
a g re e m e n t t h o r o u g h l y w i t h you?
13
A
Yes,
14
Q
And d i d he —
15
A
Yes,
16
s ir .
he
d i d Judge Lozano do t h a t
th is
case?
d id .
MR. McGRATH;
Your H o n o r,
17
e v id e n c e D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s
18
e n te r a p le a o f g u i l t y
I'm
g o in g t o o f f e r
E x h ib it 8,
in to
b e in g t h e p e t i t i o n
to
o f Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll.
19
THE COURT:
20
MR. T R U ITT:
None,
21
MR. JACKSON:
No,
22
THE COURT:
G o v e rn m e n t.
23
MR. BELLA:
No o b j e c t i o n .
24
THE COURT:
D e fe n d a n t's D u rr 8 is
25
in
Any o b j e c t i o n by any o f t h e
c o -d e fe n d a n ts ?
Your H o n o r.
Your H o n o r.
o rd ered a d m itte d .
( D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s E x h i b i t Number 8 was
a d m itte d in t o e v id e n c e .)

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1
2
3
MR. MCGRATH;
Q
Now,
I'm
g o in g t o d i r e c t y o u r a t t e n t i o n
4
D efen d an t D u r r 's
5
paragrap hs —
6
A
THE COURT:
8
and ask you i f
th a t
is
th e
Oh.
7
C o u n s e l,
if
you w a nt t o p o i n t t o
it,
you
s p e c ific
a g re e m e n t b e tw e e n you and t h e
may.
9
10
E x h ib it 8,
to paragrap h 9 o f
MR. MCGRATH:
Q
11
That o u tlin e
th e
Governm ent?
12
A
Yes,
13
Q
O kay.
14
s ir.
Now, d i r e c t i n g
subparagraph A,
15
A
Yes.
16
Q
And does t h a t
your a t t e n t io n
do you see t h a t ?
c a ll
f o r you t o e n t e r a p l e a
17
u s in g a c o m m u n ic a tio n f a c i l i t y
18
and i n t e n t i o n a l d i s t r i b u t i o n
19
A
Yes.
20
Q
T h is d i s t r i b u t i o n
21
w ith your
t o p a r a g r a p h 9A,
22
A
No.
23
Q
You d i d t h a t
24
A
Yes,
25
Q
And t h a t was a f t e r
fa c ilita te
o f c o c a in e ,
o f c o c a in e ,
r e la tio n s h ip w ith
to
of g u ilty
does i t
is
th e
th a t
know ing
c o rre c t?
have a n y t h i n g t o do
Lee Edwards?
s e p a ra te ly ?
s ir.
—
a fte r
to
any a s s o c i a t i o n w i t h
Lee

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1
2
A
Yes,
3
Q
In
s ir .
exchange you r e c e i v e d a —
th is
4
A
Not y e t .
6
Q
T h e y 'v e d e la y e d s e n t e n c in g ?
7
A
Yes,
8
Q
Even th o u g h you —
th e y d id .
I'll
9
A
13
THE WITNESS:
Your H o n o r,
I
—
'9 1 .
MR. BELLA:
15
I
o b j e c t t o u s in g t h a t
16
re fre s h her
17
may n o t n e c e s s a r i l y be e n t e r e d t h e
a ll
C o u n s e l,
19
q u e s tio n ,
20
d o n ' t know w h at t h a t —
21
any f u r t h e r .
he d i d
MR. MCGRATH:
22
Q
Is
th a t —
file
mark t o
r e c o l l e c t i o n when t h e p l e a was e n t e r e d .
THE COURT:
18
23
th e upper c o rn e r o f th e
S epte m b e r 9 .
MR. BELLA;
A
to
t h a t p le a ?
shows —
12
14
when d i d you e n t e r
d i r e c t your a t t e n t io n
e x h i b i t and i t
10
have you been s e n t e n c e d u n d e r
cause number?
5
11
856
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is
I
th a t —
is
I
same day t h i s
d o n ' t know i f
d i r e c t h er to th e
w h eth er coun sel
is
was f i l e d .
th e r e 's
file
T h is
a
s ta m p .
I
g o in g w i t h
it
am.
th e d a te
24
C o u rt,
was t h a t
th e d a te
th a t
25
was i t
s h o rtly th e r e a fte r ,
if
th a t
it
was f i l e d
t h e p l e a was a l s o
you r e c a l l ?
w ith
th e
e n te re d
or

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A
I
2
Q
Was t h a t
3
A
Yes.
4
Q
So you have been w a i t i n g
5
c a n 't
re c a ll,
in
s e n te n c ed ,
'9 1
is
CROSS DURR
s ir.
t h a t t h e p l e a was e n t e r e d ?
s in c e
sometime i n
1991 t o be
th a t c o rre c t?
6
A
Yes.
7
Q
And d u r i n g t h a t t i m e ,
8
A
C o n t in u e d on my bond?
9
Q
A re you i n c a r c e r a t e d o r a r e you —
10
A
No,
11
Q
Y o u 're
12
A
Yes.
13
Q
So y o u 'v e been c o n t i n u e d on y o u r bond?
14
A
Yes.
15
Q
And i s
th e re
16
g u ilty
to th a t
17
h a l f o f d e la y b e fo re y o u 'r e
-
I'm
have you been c o n t i n u e d on y o u r bond?
not in c a rc e ra te d .
fre e ?
.
18
A
No.
19
Q
So t h e
a n y th in g about th e
re q u ire s
re a s o n f o r
th e re
case t h a t y o u 'v e p l e d
t o be a lm o s t a y e a r and a
s e n te n c e d ?
th e d e la y in
th e
s e n te n c in g i s
f o r you t o
co o p era te ?
20
21
A
I
22
Q
I'll
d o n ' t know.
d i r e c t your a t t e n t io n
23
s p e c ific a lly
24
th e re ,
25
857
g o in g t o p o i n t
to
s u b p a r a g r a p h C and I ' m
r ig h t h ere,
see t h a t word r i g h t
r ig h t h ere.
O kay.
What s e n te n c e a r e you t o
re c e iv e
because o f

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your p le a o f g u i l t y
CROSS DURR
858
and y o u r c o o p e r a t io n ?
2
A
Says t h e minimum s e n t e n c e .
3
Q
And Judge Lozano w e n t t h r o u g h t h a t w i t h you so t h a t you —
4
make s u re you u n d e r s t o o d t h a t ,
5
A
Yes,
6
Q
Is
is
th a t c o rre c t?
s ir .
th e re
anyw here i n
th is
where you —
where i f
you r e c a l l
7
where you w ere p ro m is e d im m u n ity fro m b e in g p r o s e c u t e d i n
8
th is
case,
t h e case?
9
A
No,
10
Q
But in
11
A
No,
12
Q
You w e re n e v e r c h a r g e d ,
13
A
Yes,
14
Q
Y o u ' r e n o t g o in g t o be c h a r g e d ,
15
A
Yes,
16
Q
Y o u 're
17
A
No,
18
Q
Y o u 'v e g o t a c o m p le te w a lk
19
20
s ir.
f a c t you w ere n e v e r c h a r g e d ,
I'v e
th a t
c o rre c t?
n o t been c h a rg e d y e t .
is
th a t c o rre c t?
s ir.
a r e you?
s ir .
g o in g t o be c h a rg e d i n
not in
th is
th is
case?
th is
case as p a r t o f y o u r
case.
in
a g re e m e n t t h e r e ?
A
A c o m p le te w a lk ?
21
THE COURT;
22
THE WITNESS;
23
THE COURT;
24
th e a tto r n e y to
25
is n 't
Do you u n d e r s t a n d ,
No,
If
I
d o n 't.
you d o n ' t u n d e r s t a n d t h e q u e s t i o n ,
rep h rase
THE WITNESS;
ma'am?
it
and he w i l l .
ask

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A
2
Q
Yes,
rephraset h a t ,
p le a s e .
T h e r e w ere a number o f p e o p le c h a rg e d i n
3
c a s e ,i n
4
to d a y
o t h e r w o rd s ,
t h e case t h a t w e ' r e
and t h a t y o u ' r e
yes,
a w itn e s s
5
A
Oh,
6
Q
And y o u ' r e
7
A
No.
8
Q
You w ere n e v e r c h a rg e d i n
9
A
No,
10
Q
A
13
Q
n o t one o f
rig h t
here
is th a t c o rre c t?
th o s e p e o p l e ,
th is
a r e you?
case?
I w a s n 't.
And t h a t ' s
any o f y o u r c o n d u c t w i t h
p a r t o f t h e a g re e m e n t w i t h
Lee
t h e G o v e rn m e n t,
is n 't
it?
15
A
I
16
Q
They a g r e e d
17
A
No, I w a s n ' t
18
guess.
I d o n ' t know.
had l e f t
Q
okay.
no t to
I'm
is
g o in g t o
21
your a t t e n t io n
t o page 1 8 ,
MR. BELLA:
23
THE WITNESS:
it
th ey
fo r
th e T i t l e I I I
ask you i s
ta p e s .
I
E x h ib it
1
came i n .
show you D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s
th e a p p l ic a t io n
22
Yes,
I w a s n ' t on any o f t h e
Lee o v e r two y e a r s b e f o r e
w h ic h
A
c h a rg e you?
i n when —
20
25
try in g
No.
14
24
p a rtic u la r
Edwards?
12
19
in ,
th is
s ir.
You w ere n e v e r c h a rg e d f o r
11
859
CROSS DURR
w ire ta p .
D ire c t
t h a t y o u r name?
Your H o n o r.
is .
THE COURT:
Just a
m in u te ,
c o u n s e l.
Is
th is
e x h ib it

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i n e v id e n c e ?
2
MR. Mc Gr a t h :
3
THE COURT:
4
e x h ib it
5
it
fo r
6
7
if
it
No,
C o u n s e l,
is
is
n o t.
p l e a s e do n o t use i t
n o t i n e v id e n c e u n le s s y o u ' r e
re fre s h in g
Q
as an
g o in g t o use
re c o lle c tio n .
in v e s tig a tio n
A
No.
10
Q
As f a r
11
A
F a r as I
12
Q
Yes?
13
A
No,
14
I
o r n o t?
as you know, you d i d ,
know I
d id n 't.
about i t ,
Q
.
So you d o n ' t know w h e t h e r you a p p e a r as p a r t o f t h e
9
is
th a t
a h a lf
to
17
c o rre c t?
c o rre c t?
d id ?
No one e v e r ,
you know,
t o l d me a n y t h i n g
you know.
B u t y e t t h e y d e la y e d y o u r s e n t e n c in g
16
s e c u re y o u r p a r t i c i p a t i o n
18
A
I
19
Q
What a r e you r e q u i r e d
fo r
in
a lm o s t a y e a r and
th is
case,
is
th a t
guess.
t o do i n
te rm s o f y o u r t e s t i m o n y ;
are
you r e q u i r e d t o be t r u t h f u l ?
20
21
A
Yes,
22
Q
Is
23
A
Yes,
24
Q
Do you know?
25
it
MR. MCGRATH:
8
15
860
CROSS DURR
s ir.
th a t
in c lu d e d
in
th e re ?
s ir .
And who d e f i n e s w h a t —
w h a t's
c o o p e ra tiv e ,
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fu ll,
2
you,
co m p le te
does i t
3
I 'll
4
fo u r,
5
and I ' m
6
"I
7
s h a ll
d ir e c t your
g o in g
to
to
9
Q
So i t ' s
11
co operateor n o t.
12
n o t,
13
c o o p e ra tiv e ,
15
Q
16
17
A
18
Q
read
it
the
to
by
to you.
nature
by th e
p a r a g r a p h H on page
w o u l d be t h e
fifth
sentence
You r e a d a l o n g w i t h
o f my c o o p e r a t i o n
U n ite d
down
me.
h e re in
S ta tes A tto rn e y ? "
n o t n e c e s s a r ily whether
what
A
p a rtic ip a tio n
s ir.
10
14
and t r u t h
a tte n tio n
you —
th a t
be d e f i n e d
Yes,
861
DURR
say?
understand
A
CROSS
and c o o p e r a t i v e
and p o i n t
8
-
they
it's
say.
He d e f i n e s
it's
your
is n 't
you,
th a t
if
w h a t he
rig h t
u n tru e ,
co o p e ra tio n ,
D o e s n 't m a tte r
w h a t he t e l l s
tru e ,
there
w h e th e r you
you t o l d
d e fin e s
in
it's
the
tru th
or
as b e i n g
your p le a
agreem ent?
Yes, s i r .
And d i d n ' t
the
about
and y o u s a i d
th a t
J u d g e go t h r o u g h
th a t w ith
y o u and a s k y o u
you u n d e rs to o d ?
Yes.
I
want to
ask you t o
19
I
w hich
is
20
at
the
tim e
21
th a t's
22
the
23
p le a
at
n a tu re ,
the to p
of
g o in g
tu rn
to
e xte n t
page and l o o k
o f page f i v e .
s e n te n c in g ,
a d v is e
the
the
it's
D o e s n 't
the U n ite d
Is n 't
th a t
subparagraph
th a t
c a ll
c o o p e ra tio n ,
a p a rt
of
agreem ent?
24
A
Yes,
I
25
Q
And l o o k i n g a t
guess so.
s u b p a r a g r a p h K.
"As a p a r t
th a t
S ta tes A tto rn e y
C ourt about your
and v a l u e .
at
of
th is
th is
to

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a g r e e m e n t,
2
seek t o d e f e r my s e n t e n c in g u n t i l
3
c o o p e ra tio n
4
I u n d e r s t a n d th e U n i t e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y w i l l
is
So t h e y d e c id e when y o u ' r e
you t o l d
6
w h e t h e r y o u 'v e been t r u t h f u l .
7
th a t c o rre c t?
8
is n 't
A
—
w h e th e r y o u 'v e
T h a t's
11
MR. MCGRATH:
13
A
14
Q
15
T h a t's
Yes,
th e
C o u n s e l,
c o o p erated or n o t,
It's
t h e y d e c id e
what th e y t e l l
la n g u a g e o f y o u r p l e a
you,
is
ag re em e n t,
one q u e s t i o n a t a t i m e ,
la n g u a g e o f y o u r p l e a a g r e e m e n t ,
is n 't
p le a s e .
it?
s ir.
So y o u ' r e
g o in g t o make s u re you make th o s e guys h a p p y ,
a r e n ' t you?
16
A
No,
17
Q
Y o u 're n o t lo o k in g o u t f o r
18
A
19
20
t h e y d e c id e w h e t h e r
Yes.
THE COURT:
Q
th e
do n e ,
it?
10
12
such t im e as my
c o m p le t e ."
5
9
862
CROSS DURR
I'm
W e ll,
j u s t g o in g t o
I
guess —
te ll
th e t r u t h .
y o u rs e lf
by t e l l i n g
th e
in
tru th ,
th is
I'm
case?
ju s t
te llin g
th e
tru th .
Q
21
Y o u 're
ju s t —
a r e you —
d i d you use d ru g s y o u r s e l f by t h e
way?
22
A
Yes,
I
23
Q
When d i d you s t o p u s in g drug s?
24
A
About a y e a r or
25
Q
Was i t
used t o .
so
ago.
b e fo re or a f t e r
you e n t e r e d y o u r p l e a
of g u ilty
in

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2
th is
A
3
4
Q
5
o t h e r case?
B e fo re .
Because I
to d ro p ,
drop .
So you have —
6
A
U rin e —
7
Q
Serum s a m p le ,
8
A
Yes.
9
Q
And i f
it's
came o v e r and my p r o b a t i o n o f f i c e r
t h a t means t h a t you g i v e
e it h e r u rin e
—
c o n ta in s
10
p r e s c r i b e d t o y o u , you
11
fr e e d o m ,
A
13
Q
14
A
Yes,
got
o r b lo o d ?
c o n tro lle d
go
a —
s u b s ta n c e s t h a t a r e n ' t
— y o u 'r e
g o in g t o
lo s e your
a r e n ' t you?
s ir .
And you s to p p e d u s in g because o f t h a t ?
Yes,
s ir.
15
MR. McGRATH:
16
THE COURT;
17
MR. JACKSON:
18
I
have n o t h i n g
fu rth e r.
Judge.
C ro ss E dw ards.
Thank y o u .
Your H o n o r.
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. JACKSON:
19
20
Q
21
A
Yes,
22
Q
You t a k e an y m e d i c a t i o n to d a y ?
23
A
24
25
I
when you say you make a d ro p t o t h e
p ro b a tio n o f f i c e r ,
12
863
CROSS EDWARDS
Q
M is s C a m p b e ll,
yOu s t a t e d you have a c o l d ,
is
th a t c o rre c t?
s ir .
Yes,
I
th is
m o r n in g .
O kay.
t o o k an a n t i b i o t i c
and a T y l e n o l b e f o r e
These w ere p r e s c r i b e d by
ad o c t o r ?
I
le ft
home

Page 74 CAMPBELL -
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A
Yes,
2
Q
Is
3
A
What?
4
Q
A re t h e y c a u s in g you any p ro b le m s to d a y ?
5
A
No, n o t r e a l l y .
6
Q
Y o u 're
7
A
Yes,
8
Q
B e f o r e you t e s t i f i e d
9
11
s ir.
it
c a u s in g you any p ro b le m s to d a y ?
th in k in g p r e t t y
c le a r?
s ir .
te s tim o n y to d a y .
10
864
CROSS EDWARDS
you d i d n ' t
ta lk
t o anybody a b o u t y o u r
A re you, s u re you d i d n ' t
ta lk
t o M r.
B e lla ?
A
Just —
you know, he j u s t t o l d me w h at he was g o in g —
12
m o s t l y w h a t he was g o in g t o ask me.
13
was a l l .
14
Q
O kay.
15
A
Loud and c l e a r l y ,
16
Q
When d i d you s t a r t u s in g drugs?
17
A
L ik e
18
Q
Up u n t i l when?
19
A
Up u n t i l
20
Q
What t y p e s o f d ru g s d i d you use?
21
A
N o t h in g b u t h e r o i n .
22
Q
And how o f t e n w o u ld you use h e r o in ?
23
A
A t one p o i n t
24
Q
How much a da y w o u ld you use?
25
A
Maybe 2 0 ,
Were you i n s t r u c t e d
in
'8 0 —
'8 0 —
it
$30.
th a t's
about
to
on how t o answ er q u e s t io n s ?
a ll.
'8 3 ,
'9 0 ,
O th er th a n t h a t ,
'8 4 ,
s o m e th in g l i k e
about 90,
was e v e r y d a y .
th a t.
'9 1 .
Then I
s to p p ed .
and
th a t

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Q
A day?
2
A
U h -h u h .
3
Q
Now, u n d e r t h e
4
w ith
5
p o s s ib le
te rm s o f t h e p l e a a g re e m e n t y o u 'v e been i n t o
t h e G o ve rn m e n t,
th in k
A
I
7
Q
Has y o u r a t t o r n e y
if
it
you c o o p e r a t e
A
No.
10
Q
But i t ' s
11
A
Yes,
12
Q
And t h a t ' s
13
A
I
14
Q
Do you know i f
15
A
No,
16
Q
Do you know i f
in d ic a te d
t o you w h at y o u ' r e
fu lly ?
supposed t o be t h e minimum,
I
le s s
so,
th an f o u r ,
is n 't
yes.
you q u a l i f y
f o r p ro b a tio n ?
d o n 't.
t h e G o v e r n m e n t's g o in g t o
A
N o,
I
19
Q
Now, when d i d y o u r in v o lv e m e n t i n
20
A
I
was l i k e
It
23
A
Yes,
25
remember t h e e x a c t d a t e
'8 9
was b e f o r e
it
Q
o r s o m e th in g .
1990, w a s n 't
was way b e f o r e
years b e fo re
24
file
an y m o t io n s
range?
do n o t .
d o n 't
Q
th a t c o rre c t?
it?
s e n t e n c e you b e lo w t h e g u i d e l i n e
22
is
s ir.
18
21
lo o k in g a t
,
th in k
to
to ?
was f o u r y e a r s .
9
17
do you remember w h at t h e maximum
s e n te n c e was u n d e r t h e o f f e n s e you p l e d g u i l t y
6
8
865
CROSS EDWARDS
I'm
th is
m a t t e r end?
or a n y th in g ,
but I
th in k
n o t s u re e x a c t l y .
it?
'9 0 because
Lee had g o t a r r e s t e d
i was gone l i k e
two
or a n y th in g .
You h a v e n ' t had any in v o lv e m e n t w i t h him p r i o r
—
or —
it

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A
No.
2
Q
—
3
A
No.
4
Q
D id M r .
5
A
No,
6
Q
He e v e r w i t h h o l d
7
A
No.
8
Q
D id you e v e r f i l e
9
a fte r
Edwards e v e r is s u e you a pay check?
s ir.
ta x e s ?
a ta x
A
No.
11
Q
From M r .
12
A
No,
13
Q
D id y o u r a t t o r n e y t a l k
.
g u id e lin e s
A
No,
16
Q
You a r e
re c e iv e d ?
Edwards?
s ir.
15
r e t u r n on any o f t h e m onies o r any
t h a t you w o u ld have a l l e g e d l y
10
t o you a b o u t how t h e
s e n te n c in g
a f f e c t y o u r case?
not r e a lly .
to —
a r e you t o be s e n te n c e d u n d e r t h e
s e n te n c in g
g u id e lin e s ?
17
18
A
Yes,
19
Q
D id y o u r a t t o r n e y d i s c u s s w i t h you t h e
s ir.
c rim in a l h is to r y
c a teg o ry?
20
21
A
If
22
Q
Would you be c a l l e d
23
866
t h a t d a te ?
o f th e p r o f i t s
14
CROSS EDWARDS
he d i d
I
c a n 't
re c a ll
r i g h t now.
a number two o f c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y
categ o ry?
24
If
25
memory,
y o u ' r e u s in g y o u r p l e a a g re e m e n t t o
I
d o n 't
th in k
y o u 're
g o in g t o
fin d
r e fr e s h your
th a t
in fo rm a tio n

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2
in
A
th e re ?
oh,
I
t h o u g h t you meant number two on h e r e ,
Q
W ith
r e s p e c t to th e
c rim in a l h is to r y
remember y o u r a t t o r n e y
5
6
A
I
7
Q
C rim in a l h is t o r y
8
A
My c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y ?
9
A
T h a t's
10
A
I
ta lk in g
d o n ' t u n d e r s t a n d w h at y o u ' r e
c o rre c t?
c a te g o ry ,
do you
t o you a b o u t t h a t ?
s ta tin g .
„
d i d n ' t have o n e .
MR. JACKSON:
12
THE COURT:
I
have no f u r t h e r
q u e s tio n s .
Your H o n o r .
R e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
13
14
Q
O th e r th a n t h i s
16
g u ilty ,
17
c o n v ic tio n s ?
case and t h i s
p l e a a g re e m e n t w h ere you p l e d
G w en dolyn , you d o n ' t have any o t h e r c r i m i n a l
18
A
No,
19
Q
You t a l k e d
about your p ro b a tio n o f f i c e r
20
c o n d itio n s
o f bo nd.
21
d ro p s ?
s ir.
22
A
Yes,
23
Q
And i s
A
I
Does t h a t
and p a r t o f y o u r
i n c l u d e m aking t h e s e u r i n e
s ir.
it
your u n d e rs ta n d in g t h a t ' s
r e l e a s e d on bond?
24
25
what I
c a teg o ry?
11
15
th a t's
th o u g h t.
3
4
867
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th o u g h t so,
s ir.
a r e g u l a r p a r t o f b e in g

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Q
2
And i s
it
d ro p s i s
your u n d e rs ta n d in g th e
to
A
Y e s ,s ir.
4
Q
And w h e t h e r you can s t i l l
5
A
6
Q
7
868
reason f o r
th e s e u r in e
see w h e th e r o r n o t y o u ' r e u s in g dru g s?
3
Yes,
REDIRECT
be r e l e a s e d on bond?
s ir.
Now,
th is
w a s n 't
o t h e r case t h a t you p l e d g u i l t y
re la te d
8
A
No.
9
Q
When t h i s
to yourd e a lin g s
w ith
to ,
o t h e r case was w orked o u t ,
d id t h i s
Lee E dw ards, was t h a t p a r t o f t h e d i s c u s s i o n s
1
1
—
A
13
Q
14
No,
no.
w o rk e d w i t h on t h i s
A
Yes,
16
Q
And M r.
18
to
19
b o tto m o f t h e page?
21
Q
S. A t t o r n e y t h a t you
case?
M c G ra th a s k e d you a b o u t t h i s
p l e a a g re e m e n t
A
i n w o r k in g up
s ir.
17
20
ca se a g a i n s t
.
And t h a t was a d i f f e r e n t A s s i s t a n t u .
15
th a t
Lee Edwards?
10
12
you s a i d
read to
and he
p a r a g r a p h 9H o f t h i s
re a d one s e n te n c e fro m i t .
you t h e w h o le p a r a g r a p h .
I'd
lik e
On page f o u r a t t h e
Yes.
T h a t w h o le p a r a g r a p h 9H,
22
a g re e m e n t,I
agree
23
c a n d id ly w it h th e
24
re p re s e n ta tiv e s
25
v io la tio n
d o e s n 't
to c o o p era te
U n ite d
it
say,
fu lly ,
"As p a r t o f t h i s
tru th fu lly
S ta te s A tto rn e y or h is
as t o my know ledge o f o r
o f f e d e r a l or s ta te
la w .
I
and
d e s ig n a te d
in v o l v e m e n t
u n d e rs ta n d t h a t
in
any
th e

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1
n a tu re
2
U n ite d S ta te s A tto r n e y .
3
r e q u e s t e d t o do so,
4
b e f o r e any Grand J u r y a n d / o r a t any f u t u r e
5
tria ls ."
o f my c o o p e r a t i o n h e r e i n
Is
In
th is
to t e s t i f y
t h a t th e
fu ll
s h a l l be d e f i n e d by t h e
reg ard
I
fu rth e r
tru th fu lly
agree
if
and c o m p l e t e l y
c rim in a l
p a r a g r a p h 9H?
6
A
Yes,
7
Q
Does anyone o r has anyone fro m t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y ' s
8
s ir .
O ffic e
te ll
you w h at t o
9
A
No,
10
Q
Has anyone t o l d y o u ,
11
say when you t e s t i f y ?
s ir.
te s tify
.
th is
is
th e
tru th ,
th is
i s what y o u ' l l
to ?
12
A
No.
13
Q
You a l r e a d y t e s t i f i e d
.
th a t th is
was a s e p a r a t e
14
d i f f e r e n t A s s i s t a n t U.
15
w a s n ' t d i s c u s s e d when you w o rked o u t t h a t p l e a
16
When was t h e
17
te s tify in g
firs t
in
th is
t im e
I
th e o th e r
A
L a s t week.
19
Q
D id I
20
A
No,
c a se
a g reem en t.
t a l k e d w i t h you a b o u t p o s s i b l y
21
Q
D id I
22
A
Yes,
23
Q
And have you done t h a t ?
24
A
Yes,
s ir.
25
Q
Now,
as f a r
you w h a t I w a n te d you t o
say i n
th is
case?
s ir.
te ll
you t o
a
tr ia l?
18
ever t e l l
S. A t t o r n e y and t h a t
c a se w i t h
te ll
th e
tru th ?
s ir.
as t h e money t h a t you w o u ld g e t f o r
s e llin g

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1
2
d ru g s f o r Lee Edw ards,
A
3
4
p a c k ag e t h a t I
Q
5
6
D e d u c te d o u t o f —
So f o r
RECROSS DURR
how w o uld you g e t y o u r money?
when we f i n i s h e d ,
A
W e ll,
you s o ld a packag e
I w o u ld a lw a y s have l i k e
8
package,
9
g iv e
th e
fo r
$10,
w h a t w o u ld
th a t,
50 o r 100 p a c k a g e s o r
and t h e n when I
fin is h e d
I w o u ld t a k e o u t my $2 and t h e
t o h im .
MR. BELLA:
O kay.
1
1
THE COURT:
R e c ro s s D a v i s .
12
MR. TR U ITT:
13
THE COURT;
14
o ff
t h e w h o le
rest of i t
I w o u ld
.
10
Thank y o u ,
N o th in g ,
I
have n o t h i n g
fu rth e r.
Your H o n o r.
R e c ro s s D u r r .
RECROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. MCGRATH:
15
Q
17
U nder t h i s
te s tifie d
o t h e r cause number t h a t you p l e d
a g a in s t c o -d e fe n d a n ts
18
A
No,
s ir.
19
Q
A re
th e re
20
A
We h a v e n ' t e v en —
21
any c o - d e f e n d a n t s
a n y th in g l i k e
Q
W e ll,
is
th e re
I
a n y th in g l e f t
24
a n y th in g l e f t
I'm
le ft
t h a t on t h e o t h e r
w h o 's t h e A s s i s t a n t U.
A
in
to ,
ha v e you
t h a t case?
t o be t e s t i f i e d
a g a in s t?
h a v e n ' t been t o c o u r t and d i s c u s s e d
23
25
fin is h e d
you do?
s o m e th in g l i k e
22
when I
had.
exam ple i f
7
16
870
t o be d o n e ,
has M ik e T h i l l
S. A t t o r n e y on t h i s
t o be d o n e ,
supposed t o go f o r
case.
it's
case,
is
th e re
been o v e r a y e a r and a h a l f ?
s e n t e n c i n g on May 1 9 .

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Q
When was t h e l a s t —
a n y th in g
2
in
th is
you n e v e r were c a l l e d
case,
3
A
No.
4
Q
B u t you s t i l l
w e r e n 't
in
is
5
th is
case,
6
A
Yes,
7
Q
Now, d i r e c t i n g
M r. B e l la
9
tru th
th a t c o rre c t?
s e n te n c e d u n t i l
—
-
read,
your a t t e n t io n
it
tru th fu lly
A
Yes,
11
Q
And t o do so e i t h e r
c a lls
f o r you t o
and c a n d i d l y ,
is n 't
b e fo re
A
Yes,
14
Q
B u t t h e p e r s o n who d e f i n e s ,
what i s
16
is n 't
t o be
th a t c o rre c t?
t h e Grand J u r y o r any c r i r a i n a l
fu ll
who d e c id e s w h a t i s
and c a n d id c o o p e r a t i o n
is
t h e U.
tru th fu l.
S. A t t o r n e y ,
it?
s ir.
18
MR. BELLA:
Your H o n o r,
19
THE COURT:
S u s ta in e d .
20
MR. MCGRATH:
Q
is n 't
fu lly ,
s ir .
15
21
c o o p era te
th a t c o rre c t?
13
Yes,
a g a in t o p a r a g r a p h 9H w h ic h
s ir .
tria l,
A
a f t e r you t e s t i f i e d
th a t c o rre c t?
10
17
on t o do
s ir .
8
12
is
871
RECROSS DURR
T h at p arag rap h c o n ta in s
th is
I'll
o b je c t to
s e n te n c e ,
th a t.
" I u n d e rs ta n d t h a t
22
t h e n a t u r e o f ray c o o p e r a t i o n h e r e i n
s h a l l be d e f i n e d by t h e
23
U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y ,"
c o rre c t?
24
25
A
Yes,
is n 't
th a t
s ir.
MR. MCGRATH:
N o t h in g f u r t h e r .

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THE COURT:
2
MR. JACKSON:
R e c ro s s Edw ards.
4
Q
Your H o n o r.
M is s C a m p b e ll,
your c o o p e ra tio n to d a y ,
is
t h a t g o in g t o
h e l p you i n y o u r s e n t e n c in g ?
6
7
A
I
8
Q
Have you t a l k e d
9
A
No.
d o n ' t know.
It's
up t o
them I
guess.
t o y o u r a t t o r n e y a b o u t to d a y ?
He j u s t t o l d me t o come o u t and c o o p e r a t e ,
and be as t r u t h f u l
10
11
MR. JACKSON:
12
THE COURT:
as I
O kay.
p o s s ib ly
you know,
can.
No f u r t h e r
q u e s tio n s .
Y our H o n o r .
R e - r e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t.
FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY
MR. BELLA:
13
14
15
Thank y o u .
RECROSS EXAMINATION
BY
MR. JACKSON:
3
5
872
REDIRECT
Q
It'S
your u n d e rs ta n d in g .
16
paragrap h,
17
A tto rn e y w i l l
18
your u n d e rs ta n d in g t h a t
19
te ll
20
A
No.
21
Q
Is
it
M is s C a m p b e ll,
t h a t when t h a t
t h a t p a r t o f t h a t paragraph says,
d e fin e
you w h a t t o
th e n a tu re
"The U .
o f my c o o p e r a t i o n , "
t h a t means t h e U.
w ill
te ll
23
in te rv ie w e d ?
s ir,
it
say?
you when t h e y w a n t you t o
I
is
S. A t t o r n e y w i l l
y o u r u n d e r s t a n d i n g t h a t t h a t means t h e U.
22
S.
24
A
Yes,
25
Q
B u t when you do t e s t i f y ,
te s tify
S. A t t o r n e y
o r be
guess s o .
not to
te ll
you w h a t t o
say?

Page 83 873
1
No,
th e y d i d n 't
te ll
me a n y t h i n g t o
2
MR. BELLA:
Thank y o u ,
3
THE COURT:
R e -re c ro s s D a v is .
4
MR. TR U ITT:
5
THE COURT:
6
MR. McGRATH:
I
N o th in g ,
so rry,
8
b reak
9
d o w n s t a i r s and —
case I
11
MR. JACKSON:
12
THE COURT:
Is
15
MR. BELLA:
th a t
17
if
B ut I
a fte r
—
I'm
th e
lu n c h
Your H o n o r.
you may s t e p down r i g h t now;
n o t g o in g t o
re le a s e you.
she u n d e r subpoena?
I
b e lie v e
she has a d o c t o r ' s
so.
Your H o n o r.
a p p o in t m e n t a t noon,
A ls o
I
I
know
d o n ' t know
th a t —
19
THE WITNESS:
20
THE COURT:
21
THE WITNESS:
22
THE COURT:
25
Your H o n o r.
g i v e s me an o p p o r t u n i t y t o go
N o th in g ,
M a'am ,
THE COURT:
24
Your H o n o r.
R e - r e c r o s s E dw ards.
18
23
have.
»
th e C o u rt i s
14
16
N o th in g ,
have —
THE COURT:
how ever,
I
ask t h a t she be r e t a i n e d u n t i l
10
13
a ll
R e -re c ro s s D u rr.
7
in
th a t's
say.
What t im e
is
your d o c to r's
T w e lv e o ' c l o c k .
And where i s
th a t a t,
w h at c i t y ?
In G ary.
I n Gary?
c o u n s e l.
(Bench d i s c u s s i o n on t h e
MR. McGRATH:
a p p o in t m e n t ?
What I ' m
d o w n s t a i r s and see i f
g o in g d o ,
th e r e 's
a n y th in g
re c o rd .)
Judge,
le ft
is
go
t o be done on

Page 84 874
1
th a t o th e r
case and she may n o t have t o come b a c k .
2
no o b j e c t i o n
3
I
4
to m o rro w m o rn in g i f
5
th a t th e re
t o h e r b e in g
re le a s e d
have
she knows t h a t —
if
can have a way t o c o n t a c t h e r t o have h e r come back
in
f a c t th e re ^ s
a n y th in g .
I
d o n ' t know
is .
(End o f d i s c u s s i o n a t t h e b e n c h . )
6
THE COURT:
7
M a'am ,
I
am n o t g o in g t o
8
g o in g t o ask t h a t you s t a y i n
9
and g i v e
t h e y need you t o come b a c k ,
11
w ill
12
do you u n d e r s ta n d ?
o r d e r t h a t you r e t u r n
13
THE WITNESS:
14
THE COURT:
15
MR. MCGRATH:
16
THE COURT:
w a it out in
Yes,
Is
t h a t you w i l l
in
re le a s e
c o n ta c t w it h d efe n s e
them a t e le p h o n e number where i n
10
17
if
I
you,
I'm
counsel
th e e v e n t t h a t
come back and I
th e e v e n t t h a t
t h e y need y o u ,
s ir.
th a t s a tis fa c to ry ,
c o u n s e l?
Yes.
You may s t e p down, m a'am .
th e h a llw a y f o r
Why d o n ' t you
a few m in u t e s .
(The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d . )
18
L a d i e s and g e n t le m e n ,
19
it's
is
20
tw e lv e ,
I
21
lu n c h .
Remember t h e a d m o n it io n
22
b e fo re ;
do n o t d i s c u s s
23
p e r m i t anyone t o d i s c u s s
24
It
25
case u n t i l
is
th in k
it
an e x c e l l e n t
your d u ty n o t to
it
is
now one m in u t e a f t e r
th is
it
t im e
th a t
f o r us t o b r e a k
fo r
t h e C o u r t gave you
case among y o u r s e l v e s ,
w i t h you o r
do n o t
in your p resen ce.
fo rm o r e x p r e s s any o p i n i o n on t h i s
fin a lly
s u b m it t e d t o y o u .
W ith t h a t .

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w e 'll
2
fo llo w
break
fo r
p l e a s e be back by 1 : 3 5 .
You may
th e M arsh al u p s t a i r s .
3
(The j u r y were e s c o r t e d fro m t h e c o u r t r o o m ,
and t h e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d ,
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
4
5
lu n c h ,
-
THE COURT:
6
q u e s tio n in g
7
th e n a tu re
8
of th e ir
9
n o t.
10
You may be s e a t e d .
M r.
M c G r a th ,
your
re g a rd in g th e U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y d e f i n i n g
o f c o o p e ra tio n
I
d o n 't th in k
d e c i d i n g when somebody i s
That is
When I
my u l t i m a t e
s e n te n c e ,
goes t o
th e
le v e l
s p e a k in g t r u t h f u l l y
or
d e c is io n .
I w ill
make t h a t d e t e r m i n a t i o n
11
b e c a u s e i n d o in g t h a t ,
12
account to b e n e f it or no t to b e n e f it
th e w itn e s s .
13
w h e t h e r t h e Governm ent t e l l s
t h a t p e r s o n has been
14
tru th fu l
15
n o t go w i t h
16
d e f e n d a n t i n my c o u r t .
17
M o o d y 's C o u r t ,
18
th a t
19
it
or n o t,
is
I
d e c id e w h e t h e r t o t a k e
I make t h e
me t h a t
fin a l
t h e G o v e rn m e n t.
Assuming t h a t
O b v i o u s ly i f
t h e G o v e r n m e n t's c a l l
b e lie v e
I
a lw a y s t r y
c o n fin e m y s e lf to
th a t —
21
o f t h e p l e a a g re e m e n t w h ic h c a l l s
22
d e fin e
23
c o o p e ra tio n .
25
to
th e C o u rt th e n a tu re
M r.
may o r I
she i s
my —
But I
d o n 't
W e ll,
M c G r a th ,
I
may
th e
th in k
I
hope I
th e
fo r
—
I
s p e c ific
mean,
t h e G o vernm ent t o
and e x t e n t o f h e r
t h i n k w h at t h a t p a r a g r a p h
and we can p u l l
it
if
I
la n g u a g e
And t h e mere —
THE COURT:
a b o u t,
to
And
on t h a t .
MR. McGRATH:
w ill
I
in to
s h e 's u n d e r Judge
t h a t w o u ld be u n d e r h i s .
20
24
d e c is io n .
th a t
you w a n t .
ta lk s
And

Page 86 876
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when I
2
th a t
3
Governm ent i s
4
when.
5
go th r o u g h i t
in d e fin in g
w ith
th e d e fe n d a n ts ,
th e n a tu r e ,
g o in g t o
MR. McGRATH:
m e r e ly g o in g th r o u g h t h e
Judge,
7
damn i m p o r t a n t p a r t o f w h e th e r —
8
w a n t t o make h a p p y .
THE COURT:
c le a rly
W e ll,
10
e x te n t t h a t th e y are
11
te ll
12
w e re l i e s
13
Th ey can t e l l
14
s a id
me i f
th e
me t h a t
tru th
and I
MR. McGRATH:
16
THE COURT:
MR. BELLA:
19
MR. TR U ITT:
20
THE COURT:
but I
it
a person th e y
goes t o t h e
O b v i o u s ly t h a t
t h e y can
own k n o w ledge w h e t h e r t h e r e
make t h e u l t i m a t e
somebody has s a i d t h e
make t h a t u l t i m a t e
d e c is io n .
tru th
or not
d e c is io n .
A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w a n t t o a d d r e s s
fo r
th e C o u rt
lu n c h ?
No.
N o th in g .
G e n tle m e n ,
21
back h e r e by 1 : 3 0 ,
22
M r.
23
ca se i n
B e lla ,
la n g u a g e ,
No q u e s t i o n .
a b o u t b e f o r e we b r e a k
18
who t h e y —
d o n ' t know i f
im p o rta n t.
or m is tru th s ,
and
seems t o make t h e G overnm ent a
t h e y know o f t h e i r
15
17
I
them
t h a t t h a t means w h a t t h e
6
9
a d v is e
r e q u e s t o f them , w h at a r e a ,
I'm
because i t
I
I
w o uld l i k e
t o have you a l l
h o p e f u l l y we can g e t s t a r t e d
on t i m e .
how much more t im e a r e you g o in g t o need on y o u r
c h ie f?
24
MR. BELLA:
We a r e —
25
THE COURT;
Assum ing we s t a r t
a t 1 :3 5 .
'

Page 87 877
MR. BELLA:
1
2
H o n o r;
3
I
4
th a t's
5
th re e
th in k
a fte r
10
lo n g .
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
in d ic a te d
s till
is
fin is h
by mid a f t e r n o o n
l a s t week f i n i s h i n g
p o s s ib le .
o 'c lo c k
th is
r u n n in g a p p r o x i m a t e l y on t i m e .
in te n d to
W e ll,
I
th in k .
about 2 :3 0 ,
a c t u a l l y we s t a r t a t
Your
I
th in k
1 :3 5
a more r e a s o n a b le
tim e .
We w e n t o v e r f i v e
m in u t e s and you w e n t
so
an hour?
MR. BELLA:
9
12
I
over a h a lf
8
11
s till
THE COURT:
6
7
I
W e 'r e
W e ll,
w itn e s s 's
THE COURT:
M r.
I
had in t e n d e d g e t some t a p e s
te s tim o n y .
B e lla ,
th e re
I
d o n 't th in k
is
it
a f o l d e r here
in
w ill
ta k e
fr o m
James D a v i s .
MR. BELLA:
Yes.
( A t 1 2 : 0 8 p .m . t h e t r i a l was r e c e s s e d , t o
re c o n v e n e a t 1 : 3 5 p .m . i n t h e a f t e r n o o n o f
t h e same d a y . )

Page 88 IN THE UNITED STATES D IS TR IC T COURT
NORTHERN D IS T R IC T OF INDIANA
HAMMOND D IV IS IO N
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
P la in tiff,
NO. HCR 9 2 - 1 1 3
vs.
LEE ANDREW EDWARDS,
JAMES D A VIS, a / k / a James
J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L it t le
Jam es, and LYNETTA P. DURR
D efe n d a n ts .
T r i a l i n t h e above e n t i t l e d cause was re c o n v e n e d
b e f o r e t h e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a i d C o u r t , and a
j u r y , a t t h e F e d e r a l B u i l d i n g , 507 S t a t e S t r e e t , Hammond,
I n d i a n a , on t h e 1 5 t h day o f M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , commencing a t t h e h o u r
o f 1 : 5 0 p .m .
APPEARANCES:
MR. DANIEL L . BELLA,
A s s is ta n t U n ite d S ta te s A tto r n e y ,
1001 M a in S t r e e t , S u i t e A,
D y e r , I n d i a n a 46311
on b e h a l f o f t h e G o ve rn m e n t;
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

Page 89 APPEARANCES ( C o n t ' d )
MR. BENJAMIN S. JACKSON,
442 N o r t h C a lu m e t , S u i t e 2 0 0 ,
C h e s t e r t o n , I n d i a n a 46304
on b e h a l f o f d e f e n d a n t Lee Andrew E d w ard s ;
MR. ROBERT TR U ITT,
55 Sou th F r a n k l i n S t r e e t ,
V a lp a r a is o , In d ia n a 46383,
on b e h a l f o f d e f e n d a n t James D a v i s ;
MR. JOHN MCGRATH,
1108 W est 1 3 3 r d A ve n u e ,
C edar L a k e , I n d i a n a 4 6 3 0 3 ,
on b e h a l f o f d e f e n d a n t L y n e t t a P.
D u rr;
D e f e n d a n t s P r e s e n t i n P e rso n
DANIEL J . SULLIVAN
O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT
507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

Page 90 880
1
( C o u r t re c o n v e n e d a t 1 : 5 0 p .m . w i t h o u t t h e
j u r y p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . )
2
3
THE COURT:
4
o f th e
5
b o th b a s i c a l l y
6
Lozano,
7
3 -1 6 -9 3 ?
8
been t r y i n g
9
th is
10
11
12
13
C o u n s e l,
ju ro rs .
is
w ill
it
I
R e a lly
th e
have
to g e t t h is
And I
The o t h e r n o te
3 -1 6 ,
The n o te
fro m one
but th e y are
says.
Judge
f o r me t o be e x cu se d fro m j u r y d u t y
have an i n t e r v i e w
be my f i n a l
r e c e i v e d a n o te
r e c e i v e d two n o t e s ,
same t h i n g .
p o s s ib le
Deanna W h i t e .
Tuesday,
I
I
—
fo r
a j o b to m o rro w .
to g et i t
in te rv ie w .
th in k
says,
s h e 's
fo r
Thank y o u ,
M rs.
Deanna o r
j u r o r number 1 1 .
"Deanna W h it e has j o b
in te rv ie w
some t y p e o f q u e s t i o n . "
My p r o p o s a l i s
t o have h e r come down, we can t a l k
h e r by y o u r s e l f w i t h o u t t h e p r e s e n c e o f t h e o t h e r
15
and t h e n make a d e c i s i o n .
Any o b j e c t i o n
16
MR. TR U ITT:
17
MR. McGRATH:
No o b j e c t i o n .
18
MR. JACKSON:
No o b j e c t i o n .
19
MR. BELLA:
No o b j e c t i o n .
20
THE COURT:
Would you ask M is s w h i t e
No o b j e c t i o n .
to
ju ro rs ,
to t h a t pro ced u re?
Your H o n o r.
to
come down,
p le a s e .
22
C o u n s e l,
23
MR. TR U ITT:
No.
24
MR. JACKSON:
No,
25
have
two months and
14
21
I
do you w a nt t o lo o k a t t h e n o te s ?
Your H o n o r.
(The j u r o r was e s c o r t e d i n t o t h e c o u r t r o o m ,
and t h e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d .

Page 91 881
r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : )
1
THE COURT;
2
you s e n t me a n o t e a few
moments ago r e g a r d i n g a jo b i n t e r v i e w
3
JUROR WHITE:
4
5
M rs . W h i t e ,
Q
When was t h a t
Yes.
jo b —
l e t me back up because I
remember some o f y o u r a n s w e r s .
6
I
A
Yes,
8
Q
Where a r e you em ployed r i g h t now?
9
A
A t A .T .& T .
10
Q
And you have a j o b i n t e r v i e w
11
A
R ig h t.
12
Q
Is
13
A
Yes,
14
Q
When was t h a t s c h e d u le d ?
15
A
Tomorrow a t t h r e e .
16
Q
O kay.
17
A
W e ll,
am.
Fo r p r o m o t i o n .
w i t h i n A .T .& T ?
s ir.
B u t when d i d t h e y make t h e —
th is
is
n o t my f i r s t
19
Q
They n o t i f i e d
20
A
They j u s t n o t i f i e d
jo b .
21
Q
25
in te r v ie w ,
it's
my s e c o n d .
That
Okay.
No,
Is
you a b o u t i t
me.
I
not y e s te rd a y ,
th e re
two weeks ago?
t h i n k y e s t e r d a y t h e y c a l l e d my
F rid a y .
any p o s s i b i l i t y
th a t
it
can be done
Wednesday o r so?
23
24
tom orrow?
was a b o u t two weeks a g o .
18
22
d o n 't
A re you p r e s e n t l y em ployed?
7
it
t h a t you have?
A
W e ll,
yes.
She s a i d
if
I
come i n Wednesday a t 1 : 3 0 ,
c o u ld n 't get o u t,
maybe I
b u t I was h o p in g t h a t
th e
c o u ld
tria l

Page 92 882
1
2
w o u ld be o v e r by t h a t t i m e ,
Q
As I
u n d e rs ta n d i t ,
4
c o n c lu d e d and t h e j u r y w i l l
5
it
6
we have a l r e a d y s p e n t a week on t h e
7
I
8
reason I 'm
9
some t y p e o f a l i a b i l i t y
A
11
th in k
t h a t th e
w h at t h e a t t o r n e y s have
a d v is e d me,
to m o rro w .
I
M is s W h i t e ,
3
10
is
b u t you know.
W e ll,
a s k in g you.
W ill
s h e 's n o t r e q u i r e d
Q
13
A
She s a i d
14
Q
If
tria l.
it
is
im p o rta n t,
Would she g i v e you t h e
I
th is
in
t o h o ld t h e
The o t h e r
le t's
th is
s id e
th e
any way p u t you b e h in d
jo b f o r me,
so
th a t's
on Wednesday?
c o u ld come Wednesday a t
you a r e a l l o w e d ,
th a t
you know.
in te rv ie w
1 :3 0 .
assume t h a t u n d e r any
c ir c u m s t a n c e s
16
W ednesday, w o u ld you be a b l e
17
t o d a y and tom orrow?
Q
t o make a d e c i s i o n on
o r i n any d e t r i m e n t ?
15
19
p r o b a b l y be
d o n ' t w a n t you t o m iss an o p p o r t u n i t y and t h a t ' s
12
A
be a b l e
w ill
The o n l y c o n c e rn t h a t t h e C o u r t has i s
why I was —
18
tria l
C o u r t says i t
w ill
n o t keep you on
to c o n tin u e
s e r v i n g as a j u r o r
Yes.
As lo n g as I
p ro m is e you t h a t
I w ill
a l l o w you t o be a t
20
y o u r i n t e r v i e w w i t h more t h a n s u f f i c i e n t
21
on W ednesday, w o u ld t h a t make you happy?
22
A
Yes,
23
Q
Okay.
th a t's
t im e
t o be t h e r e
fin e .
M is s W h i t e ,
24
j u s t a second,
25
a tto rn e y s ,
I'm
okay,
g o in g t o ask you t o
because
we may c a l l
I w a nt t o
ta lk
you r i g h t back i n
s te p o u t
to
fo r
th e
a second,
okay?

Page 93 883
1
O kay.
2
THE COURT:
Any comments?
3
MR. BELLA:
I
have no p ro b le m w i t h
th e course th e
4
Judge —
5
may be t o keep h e r th r o u g h t h e c o n c l u s i o n o f t h e e v id e n c e
6
and t h r o u g h d e l i b e r a t i o n s
7
her i f
8
on W ednesday.
9
w h at t h e C o u r t p r o p o s e d ,
to m o rro w ,
THE COURT:
C o u n s e l,
I
1
1
your th o u g h ts .
12
fo r d e lib e ra tio n
tom o rro w w h ic h i t
13
to m o rro w ,
th e
14
g iv e
15
o f th e a l t e r n a t e s
16
p o s itio n
17
of d e lib e ra tio n s ,
18
d e lib e ra tio n s .
th e
it
case t o t h e
Some ju d g e s
ju ry
th e
ta k e
a lte rn a te s
21
t h a t because t h e y 'v e
22
o f d e lib e ra tin g .
Now,
th a t
if
th e
appears
in te rv ie w
p r o b le m
get a l l
ju ro rs
it
it
is
w ill
I
m is s ed a l o t
th is
a p r o v is io n
24
d u rin g d e lib e r a t io n s
25
t h a t you can go w i t h e l e v e n .
in
one o f t h e
When I
C o u rt's
s ta g e s
in
th e
I'm
b o t h e r e d by
and a l o t
lo o s e a t t h a t p o i n t .
th e
ru le s
ju ro rs
B ut —
be
th e y h o ld th e
o f d is c u s s io n s
c u t them a l l
it
e x cu se a l l
are p re s e n t a t a l l
them t o go u p .
of
j u r y g e ts
fo r d e lib e ra tio n s ,
th e o p p o s ite v ie w ,
So I
is
jo b
t h e y c a n n o t s e r v e as a j u r o r
and t h e n a l l o w
th e re
is
assume
j u r y does n o t r e a c h a v e r d i c t .
th a t
20
23
is ,
i m m e d i a t e l y because
t h a t u n le s s
th e
r i g h t now and th e n I ' l l
And t h a t
and i f
w ith
can see one p o s s i b l e
and l e t ' s
e x p lo re
i s w h ic h I
t o be s u r e t o e x cu se
d e l i b e r a t i o n s w o u ld i n t e r f e r e
10
19
th a t
th a t
say i f
has t o be e x c u s e d ,
and I ' d
w a n t t o know

Page 94 884
1
up f r o n t
if
t h e r e 's
2
th a t's
3
fro m t h e
4
in s tru c tio n s
5
to
a p o s s ib le
ta k e
concern.
in s tr u c tio n
and I
And l
packet th a t
can t e l l
it's
th e
not try in g
8
consequences.
9
MR. BELLA:
I
a p p re c ia te
10
THE COURT:
I
th in k
aw are o f a l l
R u le 2 3 ( b ) .
o f tw e lv e ,
12
may s t i p u l a t e
in w r it in g w ith
13
th a t
s h a ll
14
th a t a v a lid
15
tw e lv e
16
more j u r o r s
17
Even a b s e n t such s t i p u l a t i o n ,
18
n e c e s s a r y t o excu se a j u r o r
fo r
19
has r e t i r e d
v e rd ic t,
20
th e C ourt a v a l i d
21
e le v e n .
23
a r u le .
th e v e r d i c t ,
it
you w a n t t o
MR. TR U ITT:
No.
s h a l l be
th a n tw e lv e
if
o f le s s
or
th a n
n e c e s s a r y t o e x cu se one o r
th e
tr ia l
commences.
th e C o u rt f in d s
ju s t
cause a f t e r
in
lo o k a t t h e
it
th e
ju ry
th e d i s c r e t io n
o f p e o p le a r e n o t aw are o f t h a t
If
ju s t
th e a p p ro v a l o f th e C o u rt
cause a f t e r
its
I
th e p a r t i e s
v e r d i c t may be r e t u r n e d by t h e
24
25
The j u r o r s
v e r d i c t may be r e t u r n e d by a j u r y
to c o n s id e r
g o in g
th e p o s s ib le
c o n s i s t o f a number l e s s
s h o u ld t h e C o u r t f i n d
A lo t
is
b u t a t any t im e b e f o r e
f o r any j u s t
is
of
it.
1
1
22
ju ry
t o change a n y b o d y 's o p i n i o n ,
w a n t t o make s u re e v e r y b o d y i s
ju ry
g o in g t o be l o t
case.
7
th e
t h a t and
you r i g h t now
d o n ' t know how lo n g t h i s
to d e lib e r a t e
And I ' m
6
g o in g t o be a p ro b le m w i t h
r u le ,
ru le .
I'll
of
re m a in in g
but th e re
be h a pp y

Page 95 885
1
THE COURT:
Comments.
2
MR. Mc Gr a t h :
J u d g e,
it
seems t h a t we have no p r o b le m
3
w i t h h e r b e in g excu sed when i t
4
Wednesday i f
5
mean I
in
fa c t
th e d e l i b e r a t i o n s
THE COURT:
7
MR. MCGRATH:
8
a lo n g .
9
jo b in t e r v i e w .
I
—
Y o u 'r e w i l l i n g
I'll
re a lly
I
go w i t h
I
s h e 's h e a r d most o f t h i s .
11
c e rta in ly
12
on Wednesday a t t h e t im e —
13
to h e r jo b i n t e r v i e w
14
THE COURT:
is
t o go w i t h —
e le v e n i f
it
goes t h a t
one o f o u r c h o s e n .
fa r
t h e way o f h e r
On t h e o t h e r hand I ' m w i l l i n g
a fte r
to
le t
When we chose h e r ,
h e r go
she
So I w o u l d n ' t o b j e c t t h a t
a llo w in g her a t t h i s
and be r e l e a s e d
if
it
t im e
goes t h a t
And t h e n have a d e c i s i o n w i t h
th e —
to
go
fa r.
w ith
j u s t e le v e n .
16
MR. MCGRATH:
17
THE COURT:
W ith e le v e n .
You f i n d
T h a t's
c o rre c t.
t h a t t o be j u s t
cause t o e x c u s e
h er.
19
MR. MCGRATH:
20
THE COURT:
21
MR. TR U ITT:
22
c o n tin u in g .
d o n 't want to stan d i n
10
18
are
on
have no —
6
15
comes up t o t h a t t im e
H onor,
if
24
and I
25
w ith
M r.
do.
T ru itt.
L e t me d e f e r
you d o n ' t m in d .
Y our H o n o r,
23
I
th in k
e le v e n .
I
I'm
t o M r.
s till
Jackson f i r s t .
Y our
p o n d e r in g my p o s i t i o n .
have d is c u s s e d t h e m a t t e r w i t h my c l i e n t
our p o s i t io n
is w e 'r e u n c o m fo rta b le w it h
So we need t o g u a rd a g a i n s t t h e
g o in g
e v e n tu a lity

Page 96 886
1
th a t
2
th e re
3
g o in g t o go.
4
h e r now o r excu se h e r a t t h e end o f t h e d ay and t h e n —
th is
is
d e lib e ra tio n
And I
t h a t w ay.
9
d e lib e ra tio n s .
ta lk
And t h e n s e a t t h e a l t e r n a t e
b e tw e e n
and h a n d le
I w o u ld p r e f e r n o t g o in g w i t h e l e v e n
10
THE COURT:
11
MR. TR U ITT:
Your p u rp o s e i s
E ith e r
t o e x cu se h e r
r i g h t now o r a t
in to
it
th e
r i g h t now.
t h e end o f t h e
day.
MR. JACKSON:
13
ju ro rs ,
I
14
e le v e n
15
tw e lv e —
16
her to
17
have t h e a l t e r n a t e s
th e
M r.
th in k
t o a v o id t h e p r o b le m o f g o in g t o
Edwards has i n d i c a t e d
tw e lv e
ju ro rs
t o d e c id e
l e a v e h a l f way t h r o u g h ,
18
THE COURT:
19
MR. JACKSON:
20
MR. TR U ITT:
21
THE COURT:
22
MR. MCGRATH:
23
THE COURT:
25
guess o u r f e e l i n g w o u ld be t o e x cu se
Do d e f e n s e c o u n s e l w a n t t o
MR. TR U ITT:
8
24
are
y o u rs e lv e s ?
7
12
goes l o n g e r t h a n a n t i c i p a t e d ,
no way t o gauge how lo n g th e d e l i b e r a t i o n s
THE COURT:
5
6
if
lo s e
t h a t he w a n ts t h e
th is
case,
f o r h a v in g
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R i g h t now.
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r i g h t now.
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Your H o n o r.
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a g re e a b le
t o e x c u s in g h e r
rig h t
now?
MR. McGRATH:
T h a t's
if
th a t's
th e p r e fe r e n c e
o f my

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c o -c o u n s e l,
yes.
2
THE COURT;
3
MR. MCGRATH;
4
THE COURT;
5
MR. MCGRATH;
6
THE COURT;
M r.
7
MR. BELLA;
I wonder i f
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13
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t h e r e 's
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be d e l i b e r a t i n g
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16
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24
25
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MR. BELLA;
is .
p l a n n i n g on d o i n g ,
fa c t
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so t h e y
them t o d i s b u r s e
not n ecessary,
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MR. McGRATH;
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14
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t h e lu n c h b r e a k l a t e
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10
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y o u 'll
d e fe r
to w h ate v e r th e C o u rt d e c id e s .
MR. BELLA:
2
I w o u ld p r e f e r
3
d e c id e
th e case.
4
happen.
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7
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14
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15
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THE COURT:
So w h a t a r e you s a y i n g ,
M r. B e lla ?
17
MR. BELLA:
I
and I
19
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20
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th is
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want a m i s t r i a l
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th e
a week o f t r i a l .
MR. BELLA:
18
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8
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And d e f e n d a n t s a r e a l l
21
d i s c h a r g i n g M is s W h it e
r i g h t now,
22
one t a k e h e r p l a c e and p r o c e e d in g w i t h
23
MR. TR U ITT:
T h a t's
24
MR. MCGRATH:
T h a t's
25
MR. JACKSON:
Yes,
a g re e a b le
le ttin g
c o rre c t.
c o rre c t.
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to
a lte rn a te
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MR. TRU ITT;
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7
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go ahead and excu se M r s . W h i t e .
19
p ic k e d fo u r a lt e r n a t e s
20
t h e y s h o u ld a r i s e .
21
t o e x cu se M is s W h it e
22
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23
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24
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25
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MR. TR U ITT;
T h a t w ould be a g r e e a b l e .
2
MR. JACKSON;
Yes,
Your H o n o r.
3
MR. MCGRATH;
Yes,
Your H o n o r.
4
MR. BELLA;
Yes,
5
THE COURT;
G et M is s W h it e back i n h e r e .
6
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11
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w ith
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w ith your o th e r
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IN THE UNITED STATES D IS TR IC T COURT NORTHERN D IS TR IC T OF INDIANA HAMMOND D IV IS IO N UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, P la in tiff, NO. HCR 9 2 - 1 1 3 vs. LEE ANDREW EDWARDS, JAMES D A V IS , a / k / a James J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L i t t l e Jam es, and LYNETTA P . DURR D e fe n d a n ts . T r i a l i n t h e above e n t i t l e d cause was commenced b e f o r e t h e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a i d C o u r t , a t t h e F e d e r a l • B u i l d i n g , 507 S t a t e S t r e e t , Hammond, I n d i a n a , on t h e 1 5 t h da y o f M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , commencing a t t h e ho ur o f 8 : 5 5 a .m . • APPEARANCES: . MR. DANIEL L . BELLA, A s s i s t a n t U n it e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y , 1001 M ain S t r e e t , S u it e A , D y e r , In d ia n a 46311 on b e h a lf o f th e G o ve rn m e n t; DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, IND IA NA 46320

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APPEARANCES ( C o n t 'd ) MR. BENJAMIN S. JACKSON, 442 N o r th C a lu m e t, S u it e 2 0 0 , C h e s t e r t o n , I n d i a n a 46304 on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t Lee A ndrew E d w ard s; MR. ROBERT T R U IT T , 55 S o u th F r a n k l i n S t r e e t , ■ V a lp a r a i s o , In d ia n a 4 6 3 8 3 , on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t James D a v is ; MR. JOHN MCGRATH, 1108 W est 1 3 3 r d A ve n u e , Cedar L a k e , I n d i a n a 4 6 3 0 3 , on b e h a lf o f d e fe n d a n t L y n e t t a D e fe n d a n ts P r e s e n t i n P. D u rr; P e rso n DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

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794 ( C o u r t opened a t 8 : 5 5 a .in . w i t h o u t t h e p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . ) 1 ju ry 2 3 THE COURT: Good m o rn in g , 4 MR. JACKSON: Good m o rn in g . 5 MR. McGRATH: Good m o rn in g . 6 MR. BELLA: Good m o rn in g . 7 THE COURT: A n y th in g c o u n s e l w is h to a d d re s s th e C o u r t 8 abou t b e fo re 1 1 12 c a ll MR. McGRATH: 9 10 I T r u itt • to THE COURT: a b o u t b e f o r e we c a l l MR. BELLA: 15 MR. McGRATH: 16 MR. TR U IT T : 17 THE COURT: 18 MR. JACKSON; f o r M r. 20 th e N o t h in g , Your H o n o r. T h e r e 's n o t h in g . T h e r e 's n o t h in g . I'll 23 MR. JACKSON: 24 THE COURT: ju r y . Y our H o n o r, we r e q u e s t a l i m i t i n g re s p e c t to to p la y in g THE COURT: a r e p la y e d , ju r y ? C a l l th e in s t r u c t io n w ith ju r y p r io r th e No, Your H o n o r. 19 w a iv e r . w a itin g A n y th in g c o u n s e l w is h to a d d re s s th e C o u r t 14 25 s till come b a c k . MR. TR U IT T : 22 j u r y down? Y our H o n o r, w e 'r e 13 21 th e c o u n s e l. C o u n s e l, g iv e th e t r a n s c r i p t b e in g th e re re a d to ta p e s . re m in d me r i g h t b e f o r e th e it. Thank y o u . H o w e v e r, fa ilu r e to do so w i l l be a ta p e s

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MAY - 795 DIRECT (The j u r y w ere e s c o r te d i n t o and th e t r i a l was resumed i n r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 1 2 THE COURT; 3 Good m o rn in g , la d ie s th e c o u r tr o o m , open c o u r t , and g e n tle m e n , you may be s e a t e d . 4 5 You may c a l l y o u r n e x t w it n e s s , 6 MR. BELLA: S p e c ia l A g e n t Ted M ay, Y our H o n o r. 7 THE COURT: M r. M ay, w o u ld you k i n d l y w it n e s s 8 s ta n d ; you r e a l i z e y o u 'r e Do any c o u n s e l w an t th e o a th 9 10 MR. JACKSON; No, Your H o n o r. 1 1 MR. Mc Gr a t h : No, Your H o n o r. 12 MR. BELLA; If 13 THE COURT; You m ay. I M r. s till B e lla . come t o th e under o a th . r e - a d m in is t e r e d ? may a p p ro a c h th e w i t n e s s . Y ou r H onor? THEODORE MAY 14 r e c a l l e d as a w itn e s s by th e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g p r e v i o u s l y d u ly sworn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and n o th in g b u t th e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r as f o l l o w s : 15 16 17 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 18 19 20 Q W ould you s t a t e 21 A T h eo d o re M ay. 22 Q And y o u 'r e 23 A T h a t 's 24 Q And you r e a l i z e 25 A Yes, I y o u r name, p le a s e ? a s p e c ia l a g e n t w i t h th e FB I? c o rre c t. do. y o u 'r e s till u n d e r o a th ?

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MAY - 1 Q S p e c i a l A g e n t May, 2 id e n tific a tio n 3 if 4 A Yes, th e s e a re th r e e c o p ie d o f f 6 d u p lic a te Q th o se, r e e l to r e e l w ire 59, and 7 2 , fro m d u p l i c a t e A T h a t's 10 Q And when you d i d t h a t , reel — th a t i n t e r c e p t lo g to 12 th e lo g n o ta tio n s ? t a p e s on t h e fro m — c a s s e tte s re e ls ? in s u re d i d you exam ine t h e T i t l e III 14 Q And d i d you s e c u re fro m t h e l o g t h a t t h e r e w e re no 15 d iffic u ltie s t h e e q u ip m e n t a t 16 o rig in a l d id . w ith o p e ra tin g c o n v e r s a t i o n s were 17 A Yes, 18 Q D id you l i s t e n d u p lic a te to th e s e Yes, 21 Q D id t h e d u p l i c a t e 22 A Not a t a l l . 23 Q And do t h o s e th o s e r e c o rd e d ? c o n v e r s a t i o n s as you made t h e d id . re e ls c a s s e tte s fro m th o s e d u p l i c a t e Yes, t im e ca ss e tte s? A A th e d id . 20 25 w ire t h a t th o s e c o n v e r s a t i o n s m atch ed Yes, 24 tap es. you p r e p a r e d t h o s e A I m y s e lf or th e o r i g i n a l 13 19 I c o rre c t. 11 I and ask p le a s e ? th o s e c a s s e t t e s 9 I 58, in d iv id u a l c o n v e rs a tio n s o f th e o r i g i n a l D id you p r e p a r e c a s s e tte s 8 hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r p u rp o s e s as E x h i b i t s you can i d e n t i f y 5 7 I 796 DIRECT th e y do. a p p e a r t o be a l t e r e d a c c u ra te ly re e ls ? copy t h e in any way? c o n v e rs a tio n s

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MAY - 1 A re th o s e a l l 2 p a r tic ip a te d 3 Yes, c a s s e tte s o f d r u g -r e la te d c o n v e r s a tio n s i n by F la k e s K ellum ? th e y a r e . 4 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u , 5 THE COURT: You may. 6 MR. BELLA: Your H o n o r, t im e Governm ent E x h i b i t s 7 797 DIRECT 8 THE COURT: 9 MR. TR U ITT: s ir . 58, I If I move t o may a p p ro ach ? in t r o d u c e a t th is 59 and 7 2 . Any o b je c t io n s ? No o b j e c t i o n s . Y our H o n o r. Your H o n o r. 10 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n , 11 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 12 THE COURT: T h e y 'r e a d m it t e d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 5 8 , 59 and 72 w e re a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . ) 13 14 15 MR. BELLA: If I 16 THE COURT: You may. 17 NR. BELLA: 18 S p e c i a l A g e n t May, 19 Governm ent E x h i b i t s 20 th o se, 21 These a r e lik e w is e 22 r e e l ta p e o f in d iv id u a l 23 Q I may a p p ro a c h . Y our H o n o r. show you w h a t ' s been m arked as 82, 83, ta p e s I 84, 85, 86, ask you t o id e n tify p le a s e ? And d id you do th e 24 and make th e 25 e x h ib its I made fro m th e d u p l i c a t e to c o n v e r s a t io n s . same t h in g s w i t h same d e t e r m in a t io n s ju s t re e l showed you? re g a rd to as w i t h th e th o s e la s t ta p e s set of

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MAY - 1 A 2 Q 3 I d id . And w e re a l l th e c o n v e rs a tio n s th e same as w i t h th e la s t s e t o f e x h ib its ? 4 A 5 Q 6 7 Yes, 798 DIRECT Yes, th e y w ere. And a r e a ll o f th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d p a rtic ip a te d A 8 T h a t's i n by W i l l i e Edwards? c o rre c t. MR. BELLA: 9 c o n v e rs a tio n s 83, 84, 85, Your H o n o r, move t o in tro d u c e E x h ib its 82, and 8 6 . 10 THE COURT: Any o b j e c t i o n s ? 11 MR. TR U ITT: No o b j e c t i o n . 12 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 13 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 14 THE COURT: 15 T h e y 'r e a l l Your H o n o r. a d m itte d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 8 2 , 8 3 , 8 4 , 85 and 86 w e re a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . ) 16 17 MR. BELLA: 18 THE COURT: 19 MR. BELLA: 20 Q A g a in , S p e c i a l A g e n t May, I id e n tific a tio n 22 you can i d e n t i f y th o s e ? Two o f t h e s e a r e tap es A 24 25 I may a p p ro a c h ? hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r 21 23 if p u rp o s e s as E x h i b i t s th a t I made. 87, 88, T h is 89 and ask one was made by A gent R o th . Q W hich two a r e th e tap es if t h a t you made, w h ic h e x h i b i t s ?

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MAY - 1 A E x h ib its 2 Q And d i d you make 87 and 8 8 . th e 3 th o s e e x h i b i t s 4 j u s t t e s t i f i e d to ? 5 A Yes, I 6 same d e t e r m i n a t i o n s w i t h as you d i d w i t h Thank y o u , THE COURT: You may. 9 MR. BELLA: Your H o n o r, 10 E x h ib it — Q 12 13 14 15 re g a rd to th e e x h i b i t s s ir . If I I'm so rry. I move t o S trik e A re b o th t h e s e E x h i b i t s th a t, may a p p ro a c h . Y our if i n t r o d u c e G overnm ent you w o u ld . 87 and 88 d r u g - r e l a t e d c o n v e r s a t i o n s p a r t i c i p a t e d i n by P h e n e t h e r A T h a t 's Buchanan? c o rre c t. MR. BELLA: e v id e n c e . Move to in t r o d u c e E x h ib its 87 and 88 i n t o Y our H o n o r. 16 THE COURT: 17 MR. TR U IT T : 18 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 19 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 20 THE COURT: 21 you H o n o r. 8 11 reg ard to d id . MR. BELLA: 7 799 DIRECT Any o b j e c t i o n ? No o b j e c t i o n . 87 and 88 a r e Y our H o n o r. ordered a d m itte d . (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t s 87 and 88 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . ) 22 23 MR. BELLA: If I may a p p ro a c h . 24 THE COURT: You may. 25 MR. BELLA: Your H o n o r.

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MAY - 1 Q S p e c i a l A g e n t R o th , 2 id e n tific a tio n 3 96 and 9 7 , 4 A 5 6 A ll fiv e you can i d e n t i f y Q And d i d you make t h e to ? 9 A 10 Q 11 th o s e , 94, 95, p le a s e ? I made o f i n d i v i d u a l Yes, I same d e t e r m i n a t i o n s w i t h reg ard to as you d i d t h e ones you have j u s t te s tifie d d id . And a r e a l l th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t i c i p a t e d i n by Lee Edwards? A Yes, th e y are. MR. BELLA: in tro d u c e Thank y o u , E x h ib its 94, 95, 16 MR. T R U IT T : 17 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 18 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 19 the COURT: I e v id e n c e . No o b j e c t i o n . Your H o n o r. Governm ent E x h i b i t s 93 t h r o u g h 97 b o t h o rd e re d a d m itte d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 9 3 , 9 4 , 9 5 , 97 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . ) 22 23 MR. BELLA: 24 THE COURT: 25 MR. BELLA: move t o Any o b j e c t i o n ? a r e now a l l 21 Your H o n o r, 96 and 97 i n t o the in c lu s iv e COURT: 93, s ir. 15 20 93, ' c o n v e r s a t i o n s as b e f o r e . 8 14 p u rp o s es as G overnm ent E x h i b i t s o f th e s e a re ta p e s those e x h i b i t s 13 hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r and ask you i f 7 12 I 800 DIRECT If I may a p p r o a c h . You may. Your H o n o r. 96 and

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MAY - I Q I 2 you i d e n t i f y 801 DIRECT hand you w h a t 's been marked as Governm ent E x h i b i t 7 7 , th a t, s ir? 3 A It's a t a p e I mades i m i l a r 4 Q And d i d you make t h e to th o s e b e f o r e . samed e t e r m i n a t i o n s w ith 5 t h a t e x h i b i t as you d i d w i t h t h e ones you j u s t 6 to ? 7 A Yes, 8 Q And i s 9 10 I re g a rd to te s tifie d d id . th a t a d ru g -re la te d c o n v e rs a tio n p a r t ic ip a t e d in L y n e t t a D u rr? A Yes, 11 it is . MR. BELLA; Your H o n o r, 13 THE COURT; Any o b j e c t i o n ? 14 MR. TR U ITT: 15 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 16 MR. JACKSON; No o b j e c t i o n . 17 THE COURT; 12 I move t o in tro d u c e E x h ib it 77. 18 No o b j e c t i o n . It'S Your H o n o r. a d m itte d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t 77 was a d m itte d in t o e v id e n c e .) 19 20 21 MR. BELLA: Q 22 F in a lly , S p e c i a l A g e n t May — if I may a p p r o a c h . Your H o n o r. 23 THE COURT; 24 MR. BELLA: 25 Q I can You may. hand you w h a t ' s been m arked as E x h i b i t s 73, 74, 75 and by

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MAY - 1 76, ask you i f you can i d e n t i f y 2 A These a l s o a r e ta p e s 3 Q And d i d you make 4 th o s e e x h i b i t s 5 t o to d a y ? 6 A 7 Q 8 9 10 11 Yes, I 802 DIRECT th a t I th o s e , p le a s e ? made. t h e same d e t e r m i n a t i o n s w i t h as you d i d w i t h t h e ones you have t e s t i f i e d d id . And a r e a l l th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t i c i p a t e d i n by James D a v is ? A Yes, th ey a re . MR. BELLA: a d m it E x h i b i t s Thank y o u , 73, 74, s ir . Your H o n o r, I move t o 75 and 7 6 . 12 THE COURT:Any o b j e c t i o n ? 13 MR. TR U ITT: No o b j e c t i o n . Your H o n o r. 14 MR. McGRATH; No o b j e c t i o n . 15 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 16 THE COURT: 17 reg ard to 73 t h r o u g h 76 b o th i n c l u s i v e a r e now a l l o rd e re d a d m itte d . 18 (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s 7 3 , 7 4 , 75 and 76 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . ) 19 20 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u , 21 THE COURT: C ross D u r r — 22 MR. T R U ITT: 23 THE COURT: 24 MR. McGRATH: 25 THE COURT: N o th in g , s i r . T h a t's I meanD a v i s . Your H o n o r. C ross D u r r . N o th in g . C ross Edwards? a ll I have.

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KELLUM - 1 MR. JACKSON: 2 THE COURT: N o th in g . You may s t e p down. (The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d .) 3 MR. BELLA: 4 F la k e s K e llu m i s th e n e x t w it n e s s , Y our H onor. 5' THE COURT: 6 7 speak d i r e c t l y 8 everybody in P le a s e be s e a t e d , in to p u ll your c h a ir up, th e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t t h e c o u r tr o o m may h e a r . You may p r o c e e d , 9 c o u n s e l. FLAKES KELLUM 10 c a l l e d as a w i t n e s s by t h e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y sworn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , t h e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h i n g b u t t h e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s : 11 12 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 13 14 15 Q Would you s t a t e y o u r name, 16 A F l a k e s K e llu m . 17 Q And w o u ld you s p e l l y o u r f i r s t 18 A F -L -A -K -E -S , 19 Q M r. K e l lu m , and l a s t names? K -E -L -L -U -M . you w ere o r i g i n a l l y in d ic tm e n t in 21 Count 3 o f t h e 22 a lo n g w i t h 23 M c In to s h , 24 v io la te f e d e r a l drug t r a f f i c k i n g Yes, is . A it . s ir? 20 25 803 DIRECT th is case w i t h in d ic tm e n t Lee E dw ard s , in c h a rg e d i n Count 3 o f t h e c o n s p ira c y — th is I'm case w i t h James D a v i s , B r e t t Guyton and o t h e r s , so rry, c o n s p ira c y L y n e tta D u rr, w ith la w s , yes. W illie c o n s p ira c y to is th a t c o rre c t?

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KELLUM - 1 Q 804 DIRECT And d id you a g re e t o p le a d g u i l t y to th a t count in exch an ge 2 f o r a reco m m en d atio n o f th e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r th e 3 g u id e li n e s 4 and a d is m is s a l o f any o t h e r c o u n t t h a t you m ig h t be 5 c h a rg e d w ith ? as t h e y a p p ly to y o u r p a r t i c u l a r 6 A Yes, 7 Q And as p a r t o f t h a t a g re e m e n t, I d id . tr u th fu lly 8 Yes, 10 Q M r. 11 A G a ry . 12 Q Do you know Lee Edwards? 13 A Yes. 14 Q Can you t e l l A I te s tify a c r im in a l t r i a l ? i n w h at c i t y do you r e s id e ? us w h a t y o u r . r e l a t i o n s h i p w i t h Lee w a s , say t o O c to b e r o f 1990? was a w o rk e r f o r Lee Andrew Edwards i n d i s t r i b u t i n g d ru g s . 17 to d id . K e llu m , p rio r d id you a g re e c a l l e d upon to do so in A 16 I if 9 15 c ir c u m s ta n c e s I s o ld d ru g s f o r M r. E dw ard s. 18 Q And f o r how lo n g w o u ld you say you d id 19 A A b o u t a y e a r and a h a l f . 20 Q D id you have any p a r t i c u l a r Edw ards r e g a r d in g y o u r d ru g s a le s 22 g et fo r A Yes. 24 Q And can you t e l l us w h at t h a t was? 25 A W e ll, fir s t as f a r as w h a t you w o u ld th e d ru g s? 23 at f o r him? k in d o f a rra n g e m e n t w i t h M r. 21 s e llin g th a t I was g e t t i n g a d o lla r a p ac k ag e fo r e v e ry

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KELLUM - 1 p a c kag e t h a t 2 Q 3 A 4 Q If I s o ld . At f ir s t you w ere g e t t i n g you s o l d and t h e n i t 6 you s o ld ? A 8 Q 9 A 11 Q 12 a p p re c ia te it? a d o lla r f o r e v e r y p a c k ag e t h a t w ent up t o $2 f o r e v e r y p a c k ag e t h a t Yes. W hat k in d o f packag es a r e wet a l k i n g a b o u t, w h a t s iz e $10 p a c k a g e s . And i f you s o ld a package f o r w h ere d i d t h e r e m a in in g 13 A To M r . 14 Q Where d i d you 15 A 16 $8 go t h a t $10 and you k e p t $ 2 , to ? E dw ards. At f ir s t s e ll f r o m , w h at l o c a t i o n ? I was d o in g i t fro m home, t h e n I w o rk e d t h e s tre e ts . Q 18 M r. — MR. TR U ITT: 19 Your H o n o r, if you c o u ld ask him t o speak up j u s t a b i t 20 THE COURT: 21 THE WITNESS: 22 I'd to g et $2. pac k ag e s? 10 17 s ir, s ta rte d O kay. 5 7 Then I you c o u ld speak u p , 805 DIRECT A At f ir s t I d id P le a s e it 23 THE COURT: 24 MR. TR U ITT: 25 MR. BELLA: r a is e y o u r v o ic e fro m home, Is th e n I went to th a t b e tte r, Yes. a ta d . M r. Thank y o u . th e — Your H o n o r. s tre e ts .

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KELLUM - 1 Q And d ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n s e ll 2 f o r M r. — A H e r o in and c o c a in e . 4 Q W ould you s e l l o t h e r s iz e 5 A Yes. 6 Q W hat was th e m ost common s iz e 7 A $25 p a c k ag e s o f c o c a in e . 8 Q Of a l l th e d i f f e r e n t 10 A $10 p a c k a g e s . 11 Q A b o u t th e 13 w e re s e l l i n g 14 A t h a t you w o u ld s e l l , w h at was t h e most o f? Edwards was a r r e s t e d do you have an e s t im a t e At fir s t p ackag e t h a t you w o u ld s e l l ? w h at w o u ld you s e l l tim e t h a t M r. 1990, pac k ag e s as w e ll? s iz e s t h e most common s i z e , 12 w h at k in d o f d ru g s d id you Edwards? 3 9 806 DIRECT in O c to b e r o f as t o how many p a c k a g e s you a t t h a t tim e ? I was g e t t i n g about 125, and th e n I th in k I w ent up t o a b o u t 2 5 0 . 15 16 Q A b o u t 250 packag es? 17 A Yes. 18 Q And how lo n g w o u ld i t 19 A Sometime i t 20 Q A week? 21 A U h -h u h . 22 Q So o v e r a m o n t h ly b a s i s , 23 A Yes. 24 Q How w o u ld you p i c k up t h e s e 250 p a c kag es? 25 A I t a k e you t o s e ll t h o s e 250 p a c k ag e s? w o u ld t a k e me a w eek. w o u ld go t o h i s home. you w ere s e l l i n g more t h a n 250?

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KELLUM - DIRECT 807 1 Q And when you w en t t o h is home, w h at w o uld happen? 2 A I 3 Q D id you keep any k in d o f a c c o u n tin g as t o how many p a c k a g e s 4 w o u ld go t h e r e and w e 'd make up th e p a c k a g e s . you w ere g e t t i n g and how much you owed him? 5 A Yes. 6 Q How w o u ld you do t h a t ? 7 A On a s l i p 8 Q M r. 9 K e llu m , I 'm c o n v e r s a t io n s 10 11 o f p a p e r. g o in g to have some ta p e s p la y e d o f t h a t you p a r t i c i p a t e d in and I 'm g o in g t o ask you a fe w q u e s tio n s a b o u t th o s e ? A A ll 12 r ig h t. MR. JACKSON: 13 lim itin g Y our H o ffo r, in s tr u c tio n w ith I r e q u e s t you re a d th e r e s p e c t to th e tr a n s c r ip ts . 14 THE COURT: 15 M r. M ay, b e f o r e you s t a r t th e m a c h in e , You may and i t w ill be g r a n t e d . I w ant to re a d 16 17 18 MR. BELLA: Q M r. K e llu m , t h e r e 's a s e t o f headphones i n 19 w onder i f 20 J u s t s lid e 21 P u t th o s e on and aim them so t h i s 22 c o r n e r and you can a d ju s t th e volum e on th e you w o u ld move t h i s t h a t b u tt o n to 23 THE COURT: 24 L a d ie s and g e n tle m e n , 25 id e n tifie d th e b u tt o n to fro n t o f you, I th e on p o s i t i o n . r i g h t down a t th e b o tto m . b a ll fa c e s to w a rd t h a t s id e . J u s t a m in u te b e f o r e you s t a r t . ta p e by w itn e s s e s w i l l r e c o r d in g s be r e c e iv e d o f c o n v e r s a tio n s in to e v id e n c e .

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KELLUM - 1 T r a n s c r i p t s w i l l be f u r n is h e d 2 lis te n 3 a re d i f f i c u l t to th e ta p e s t o f o r y o u r g u id a n c e as you c la r ify to h e a r and i n The t a p e s , 4 h o w e v e r, p o r t io n s a r e e v id e n c e tra n s c rip ts 6 v a ria tio n s 7 th e 8 d e te rm in e 9 you must d i s r e g a r d t h e t r a n s c r i p t s are a re n o t e v id e n c e . betw e e n t h e tw o , you p e r c e i v e you a r e any t o be g u id e d s o l e l y by If you a r e u n a b le to t a p e s t h a t p a r t i c u l a r words w e re s p o k e n , fu rth e r in s tru c te d 12 w h ic h a p p e a r on t h e t r a n s c r i p t s 13 th e m s e lv e s and o f t h e W ith t h a t , 14 t h e c ase and t h e i n s o f a r as th o s e words concerned. You a r e 11 If ta p e s w h ic h s p e a k e rs . in t a p e s and n o t by t h e t r a n s c r i p t s . fro m t h e o f th e id e n tify in g 5 10 808 DIRECT if id e n tity th a t t h e names o f s p e a k e r s a r e n o t e v id e n c e o f o f th e e v e ry b o d y i s speakers reco rd ed . re a d y p le a s e p u t th e headphones on y o u r — 15 MR. MAY: 16 E x h ib it 58. (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 8 , an a u d i o t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 17 18 MR. BELLA: 19 20 Q J u s t a c o u p le o f q u e s t i o n s 21 you s a i d t o L o r r i , 22 me w h a t I g o t, te ll about t h a t , Lee t o lo o k a t h i s w h at w ere you r e f e r r i n g 23 A The number o f p a c k a g e s t h a t 24 Q And w h a t t i c k e t a r e you r e f e r r i n g 25 A The t i c k e t th a t I M r. I had g o t t e n , K e l lu m . When tic k e t and t e l l to ? had g o t . to? you know, a fte r I r e c e i v e d my

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KELLUM - packages. 1 I t h a t th e had l o s t m in e . 2 Q Is 3 A Yes. 4 Q The way o f k e e p in g t r a c k 5 A Yes, 6 A When you say — it t i c k e t you t e s t i f i e d to e a r l i e r ? o f how many p a c k ag e s you g o t? is . when L o r r i s a i d to you t h a t t h e tic k e t s a id 130 brown? 7 8 A Yes. 9 Q W hat does t h a t th e n ? 10 A T h a t mean 130 brown p a c k a g e s . 11 Q And w h a t i s 12 A H e r o in . 13 Q Brown h e r o in ? 14 A Yes. 15 Q And w h a t s iz e 16 A $10 p a c k a g e s . 17 Q And when you s a i d e i g h t , 18 A 25 c e n t p a c k a g e s o f c o c a i n e . 19 Q And 25 c e n t p a c k ag e s o f c o c a in e 20 A $25. 21 Q And when she s a i d 26 g i r l ? 22 A $10 p a c k a g e s o f g i r l , 23 Q Now, a ls o on 1 5 t h , 24 25 809 DIRECT A in brown? p a c k ag e s w o u ld th o s e be? 25 g i r l ; w h at does t h a t mean? c o s t how much? c o c a in e . t h a t c o n v e rs a tio n L o r r i w e 'll be on 4 t h ; to ld you i f w e 'r e not w h at does t h a t mean? T h a t t h e y w o u ld be on 4 t h and T a f t a t t h e i r o th e r house.

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KELLUM - 1 Q A t t h e o t h e r house? 2 A Yes. 3 Q Now, 4 th is 1 5 t h and t h i s DIRECT 4 th , 810 where w o uld you go t o Lee t o p i c k up t h e packag es and d ro p o f f y o u r money? 5 A A t h is house. 6 Q And w h ic h house w o u ld you go to? 7 A 4 t h and T a f t o r e i t h e r 8 Q What w o u ld Lee do as f a r 9 A Say t h a t a g a in ? 10 Q Why two houses? 11 A I 12 Q What w o u ld — 13 A re a lly W e ll, I c o u ld n 't 1 5 th te ll and T a f t . as t h e s e two houses a r e c o n c e rn e d ? you t h a t . how lo n g w o uld he be a t one house u s u a l l y ? c o u ld n 't t e l l you t h a t . A ll 14 me — 15 lo n g enough f o r me t o goi n and g e t my 16 th a t 17 know. 18 Q 19 A 20 Q 21 A lo n g enough f o r me t o go i n I w o u l d n ' t know how I knew lo n g enough p a c k a g e , and a fte r 4 t h and T a f t ? Yes. Sometimes y o u 'd have t o go t o 1 5 t h and T a f t ? Yes. MR. BELLA: 23 MR. MAY: 24 MR. BELLA: th a t c o rre c t? Why d o n ' t we p l a y t h e n e x t t a p e . E x h ib it fo r and g e t my p a c k a g e — lo n g he w o u ld s t a y t h e r e , you B u t som etim es y o u 'd have t o go t o 22 25 t o m eet 59. The l a s t e x h i b i t you p l a y e d was 5 8 , is

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KELLUM - 1 MR. MAY: 811 DIRECT Yes. (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 9 , an a u d io t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 2 3 4 5 MR. BELLA: Q M r. c a ll 6 K e llu m , I n o tic e th is is an o u t g o in g c a l l , is a fro m Lee t o you? 7 A Yes. 8 Q And when Lee t a l k e d about h is w h at h e ' s to? 9 th a t re fe rrin g Seagrams b a g , 10 A T h a t was t h e bag t h a t he k e p t t h e d ru g s i n . 11 Q The bag t h a t he k e p t t h e d ru g s in ? 12 A Yes. 13 Q And t h e 14 A Was a w h is k e y b a g , 15 Q Thank y o u , do you know . Seagrams b a g , w h at k i n d o f bag i s you know, th a t? t h a t w h is k e y came i n . s ir. 16 We can p l a y t h e n e x t e x h i b i t . 17 MR. MAY: E x h ib it 72. (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 7 2 , an a u d io r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 18 ta p e 19 MR. BELLA: 20 21 moment? 22 moment. 23 Q M r. I'm K e l lu m , Your H o n o r, s o rry. may we i n t e r r u p t I w a n te d t o have you h e a r d t h i s 24 L o o k in g a t t h a t tra n s c rip t, 25 t r a n s c r ip t about f iv e lin e s in te rru p t fo r th is ju s t a fo r ju s t a c o n v e rs a tio n b e fo re ? th e second page o f t h a t o ff t h e b o tto m w h ere Lee s a y s .

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KELLUM - 1 okay, 2 b e fo re ? 3 If 4 THE COURT: 5 MR. BELLA: 6 Q 'c a u s e I I 812 DIRECT d i d n ' t have i t to n ig h t; d i d you r e a d t h a t may a p p ro a c h t h e w it n e s s ? G o ing t o t h e You may. to p page and l o o k i n g a t t h e 7 w here Lee s a y s , 8 And when you l i s t e n e d 9 lo o k e d a t t h a t t r a n s c r i p t , d i d you i n d i c a t e erro r to a c e r t a i n 10 A Yes. 12 Q What 13 A M c K n ig h t. 14 Q M c K n ig h t. 15 A It's Q 17 A 19 Q 20 t y p e o f m ix i s to t h is d i d n ' t have i t , uh, to n ig h t. c o n v e rs a tio n p r e v io u s ly th a t th a t and was a t y p e o f mix? th a t? M cK n igh t? So when you s a i d t h a t — c o c a in e . when you l i s t e n e d to th a t, he was s a y i n g he d i d n ' t have t h a t M c K n igh t? Yes. Okay. Thank y o u , s ir , we can k e ep l i s t e n i n g 21 the 22 we w e r e , 23 What i s I s o m e th in g t h a t you use t o m ix w i t h re a lly 18 'c a u s e and he was r e f e r r i n g 11 15 okay, second page a g a i n COURT: I j u s t w a n te d t o c l e a r C o u n s e l, I so we can re m in d t h e b e lie v e — 24 s a i d h o l d on and she was t r y i n g 25 te le p h o n e , so I th in k If t o t h e e x h i b i t now. do you w a n t t o p o i n t o u t w here t h e MR. BELLA: th a t up. I b e lie v e ta p e s to p s . Dawn Law re n c e had t o g e t Lee i t was v e r y e a r l y j u r y w h ere on on t h e in th e

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KELLUM - tr a n s c r ip t, 1 2 about fo u r lin e s THE COURT: down. Your H o n o r. You may p ro c e e d . (The p l a y i n g o f Governm ent E x h i b i t Number 7 2 , an a u d io t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was resumed i n open c o u r t . ) 3 4 MR. BELLA: 5 6 Q J u s t a fe w q u e s tio n s a b o u t t h a t , you need t o 7 see th e g i r l , A C o c a in e . 9 Q And when he s a id do you need t o K e llu m . When Lee s a id see th e g ir l, to ? w h a t d id th a t mean t o you? 10 11 A C o c a in e . 12 Q And w h a t a b o u t c o c a in e ? 13 A W e ll, 14 Q I he was a s k in g me d id see. And — M c K n ig h t, 15 te ll I w a n t some. and when he s a id A It 's a m ix t h a t you use w it h 17 Q W here do you g e t t h a t 18 A A r e c o r d shop . 19 Q And you a s ke d him i f 20 A Yes. 21 Q J u s t ta k e 22 A T h a t he needs j u s t one p a c k a g e , it Q I see. d i d n ' t have t h a t c o c a in e . from ? a ll he needed was one? o u t th e money; w h at does t h a t mean? was th e money t h a t 23 I us a g a in w h a t M c K n ig h t is ? 16 25 M r. w h at was he r e f e r r i n g 8 24 813 DIRECT And th e n i n m ig h ty w h it e y , I t a k in g it o u t o f th e money owed t o h im . th e c o n v e r s a t io n Lee s a i d , and you s a i d , oh, no. W hat i s we h ave some th a t?

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KELLUM - 1 A H e r o in . 2 Q Is 3 A W h ite . 4 Q And why d id you say o h , no ; it a p a r tic u la r 814 DIRECT k in d o f h e r o in ? is th e re s o in e th in g s p e c ia l abou t th a t? 5 6 A W e ll, 7 Q T h a t 's w h a t you fo u n d fro m y o u r c u sto m ers? 8 A Yes. 9 Q And th e n f i n a l l y t h e r e was some t a l k th e p a p e r y o u 'r e ta lk in g 10 11 A It e v e ry b o d y p r e f e r s in . about p a p e r; w hat is ab o u t? was p a p e r t h a t you used t o d ru g s 12 th e w h it e . fo ld — you know, t o p u t th e J u s t ----- 13 Q And — I 'm s o rry ? 14 A J u s t w h it e p a p e r. 15 Q And w o u ld you som etim es s u p p ly th e p a p e r o r b r in g A Yes, I w o u ld g e t th e p a p e r f o r h im . 18 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u , 19 THE COURT: C ro ss D a v is . 20 MR. T R U IT T : 21 THE COURT: 22 MR. McGRATH: 23 THE COURT: 24 MR. JACKSON: 25 over th e r e ? 16 17 it s ir , No q u e s t io n s . I have n o th in g Y our H o n o r. C ro ss D u r r . No q u e s t io n s C ro ss E d w ard s. Thank y o u . Y our H o n o r. fu rth e r.

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KELLUM - 815 CROSS EDWARDS CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. JACKSON: 1 2 3 Q M r. K e llu m , 4 A No, I 5 Q And you w ere c h a rg e d i n 6 A Yes, 7 Q A re you r e p r e s e n t e d by an a t t o r n e y ? 8 A Yes. 9 Q Have you been s e n te n c e d y e t ? 10 A No, 11 Q Has y o u r a t t o r n e y a d v is e d you o f t h e minimum and maximum 12 you use drugs? do n o t . th is in d ic tm e n t, w ere you n o t? I was. I have n o t . p e n a ltie s a g a i n s t you? 13 A Yes. 14 Q What was t h e maximum p e n a l t y you w ere f a c i n g when you w e re 15 c h a rg e d ? 16 A I 17 Q Okay. 18 d o n 't remember j u s t Now, you e n t e r e d G o v e rn m e n t, 19 A Yes, 20 Q And i n I in to th e t o p o f my h e a d . a p l e a a g re e m e n t w i t h th e h a v e n ' t you? have. t h e te rm s o f t h a t p l e a a g r e e m e n t , y o u 'r e supposed t o g e t what ty p e o f b e n e f it s ? 21 22 A I 23 Q The minimum s e n te n c e ? 24 A I 25 rig h t o ff n e v e r d i s c u s s e d t h a t w i t h h im . th in k th a t. he s a i d s o m e th in g l i k e I d o n 't th in k 20 y e a r s , I d id . s o m e th in g l i k e

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KELLUM - 1 Q CROSS EDWARDS 816 B ut p u r s u a n t t o t h e te rm s o f y o u r p l e a a g r e e m e n t , a r e n 't 2 you g o in g t o g e t t h e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r t h e g u i d e l i n e 3 range? 4 A Yes. 5 Q D id y o u r a t t o r n e y d is c u s s w i t h you t h e g u i d e l i n e s ? 6 A Yes, 7 Q How th o s e work? 8 A Yes. 9 Q D id he d is c u s s 10 A Y e s , he d i d . 11 Q Do you know w h at c a t e g o r y y o u ' r e 12 A I 13 Q Were you i n 14 A I he d i d . d o n 't th in k th e c r im in a l remember j u s t th e firs t c a teg o ry? rig h t o ff in ? th e t o p o f my h e a d , s ir. c a teg o ry? so. 15 MR. JACKSON: 16 THE COURT: R e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t. 17 MR. BELLA: No r e d i r e c t . 18 THE COURT: R e c ro s s D a v i s . 19 MR. TR U ITT: 20 THE COURT: 21 MR. McGRATH: 22 THE COURT: 23 I have n o t h i n g N o th in g , fu rth e r. Your H o n o r . Your H o n o r. R e c ro s s D u r r . N o th in g , Your H o n o r. You may s t e p down, th a n k you f o r (The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d .) 24 THE COURT: C a ll your n ext w itn e s s . 25 MR. BELLA: D a v id R o t h . c o m in g .

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ROTH - THE COURT: 1 J u s t a m in u te . 2 j u r y p le a s e pass back th e 3 r ig h t th e re . M r. B e l l a , 4 B e fo re we do t h a t , tr a n s c r ip ts . w o u ld you k i n d l y 5 h e re fro m th e w itn e s s 6 e a rp h o n e s a r e o f f . 7 w itn e s s ? You can le a v e r e tr ie v e You may s te p down. MR. BELLA: D a v id R o th . 9 THE COURT: S ir , s till can th e th e it tr a n s c r ip ts s ta n d and make s u re t h a t th e 8 y o u 'r e 817 DIRECT p le a s e come to 10 r e a liz e under o a th . 11 r e - a d m in is t e r e d ? 12 MR. TR U ITT: 13 MR. MCGRATH: N o, Y our H o n o r. 14 MR. JACKSON: N o, Your H o n o r. W ho's y o u r n e x t th e w it n e s s s ta n d , you Do c o u n s e l w a n t th e o a th N o, Your H o n o r. • DAVID ROTH 15 r e c a l l e d as a w itn e s s by th e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g p r e v i o u s l y d u ly sworn t o t e s t i f y th e t r u t h , th e w h o le t r u t h and n o th in g b u t th e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d f u r t h e r as f o l l o w s : 16 17 18 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 19 20 21 Q W ould you s t a t e y o u r name, p le a s e ? 22 A D a v id R o th . 23 Q And y o u 'r e 24 A Yes. 25 Q S p e c ia l A g e n t R o th — a s p e c ia l a g e n t w i t h th e FB I? .

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ROTH - 1 If 2 THE COURT: 3 MR. BELLA: 4 Q I may a p p ro a c h , You may. 5 Governm ent E x h i b i t 6 id e n tify 7 A Yes, 8 Q D id you p r e p a r e 9 Your Honor? Hand you w h a t ' s been marked f o r th o se, 52, 53, id e n tific a tio n 54 and 5 5 , p u rp o s e s as and ask i f you can p le a s e ? th e s e a re ta p e s fro m t h e T i t l e 818 DIRECT I d u p lic a te d . th o s e c a s s e t t e s III 10 A T h a t's 11 Q And d i d you exam ine w ire fro m t h e d u p l i c a t e re e ls in te r c e p ts ? c o rre c t. th e lo g as you p r e p a r e d th o s e c a s s e tte s 12 to ensure t h a t th e 13 t h e l o g and t h a t t h e r e w ere no e q u ip m e n t p ro b le m s a t t h e 14 t im e t h e o r i g i n a l 15 A 16 Q 17 A 18 Q 19 c o n v e r s a t i o n s w ere r e c o rd e d ? Yes. And d i d you l i s t e n Yes, I to th o s e t a p e s as you made them? d id . And d i d t h e d u p l i c a t e re e ls a p p e a r t o be a l t e r e d way? 20 A No. 21 Q And d i d 22 th o s e c a s s e t t e s c o n v e rs a tio n s 23 A Yes, 24 Q Thank y o u , 25 c o n v e r s a t i o n s m atched t h e n o t a t i o n s a c c u ra te ly d u p lic a te on t h e d u p l i c a t e th e re e ls ? th e y d id . s ir . MR. BELLA; If I may a p p ro a c h . Y our Honor? i n any in

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ROTH - 1 THE COURT: You may. 2 MR. BELLA: I and 55 i n t o 3 819 DIRECT move t o in tro d u c e E x h ib its 52, 53, 54 e v id e n c e . 4 THE COURT: Any o b j e c t i o n ? 5 MR. TR U ITT: 6 MR. MCGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 7 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 8 THE COURT: No o b j e c t i o n . T h e y 're a ll a d m itte d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Numbers 5 2 , 5 3 , 55 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . ) 9 54 and 10 11 MR. BELLA: If 12 THE COURT: You may. 13 MR. BELLA: 14 Q A ll th o s e e x h i b i t s I may a p p r o a c h . w ere c o n v e r s a t i o n s , 15 c o n v e r s a t i o n s t h a t James B a r e f i e l d 16 c o rre c t? 17 A MR. BELLA: If 19 THE COURT: You may. 20 MR. BELLA: Q I Show you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r G o v e r n m e n t's E x h i b i t 8 9 , 23 p le a s e ? 25 A p a rtic ip a te d in , is th a t may a p proach? 22 24 d ru g -re la te d Yes. 18 21 Your Honor? Yes, I can. A g a in , fro m t h e d u p l i c a t e it's re e ls . id e n tific a tio n and ask i f a d u p lic a te p u rp o s e s as you can i d e n t i f y c a s s e tte ta p e I th a t. made

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ROTH - 1 Q reg ard to t h a t c a s s e tte 3 to ? A 5 Q 6 7 820 And d i d you e n s u re t h a t t h e same f a c t o r s w ere t r u e w i t h 2 4 DIRECT Yes, I as w i t h t h e ones you j u s t te s tifie d d id . And i s th a t a d r u g -r e la te d c o n v e r s a t io n p a r t i c i p a t e d in by P h e n e th e r Buchanan? A Yes, s ir. 8 MR. BELLA: 9 Thank y o u , i n t r o d u c e Governm ent E x h i b i t s ir . 89 i n t o 10 THE COURT: 11 MR. T R U IT T : 12 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 13 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 14 THE COURT: 15 Y our H o n o r, I move t o e v id e n c e . Any o b j e c t i o n ? No o b j e c t i o n . It'S a d m itte d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 89 was a d m i t t e d in t o e v id e n c e .) 16 17 MR. BELLA: If 18 THE COURT: You may. 19 MR. BELLA: 20 Q I I may a p p r o a c h . hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r 21 as G o v e r n m e n t's E x h i b i t 90 and 9 1 , 22 id e n tify I th o se, 23 A Yes, 24 Q And w h a t a r e 25 A Your Honor? id e n tific a tio n and ask i f p u rp o s e s you can p le a s e ? can. th o se, s ir? Those a r e c o n v e r s a t io n s t h a t w ere d u p li c a t e d fro m th e

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ROTH - 1 2 d u p lic a te Q And d i d 3 w ith 4 to? 5 A 6 Q T itle III re e l. y o u make s u r e those 821 D IR E C T casse tte s th a t a ll as w i t h the the same f a c t o r s ones y o u j u s t were tru e te s tifie d Yes. And a r e 7 th o s e d ru g -re la te d c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r tic ip a te d in by R o b e r t M a tth e w s ? 8 A Yes, th e y a re . 9 Q Thank y o u , 10 I 11 in to s ir. move t o e v id e n c e . in tro d u c e G o v e r n m e n t ''s E x h i b i t s Y our H o n o r. 12 THE COURT: 13 MR. T R U IT T : 14 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 15 MR. Any o b je c t io n ? 16 THE COURT: No o b j e c t i o n . JACKSON: 17 90 a nd 91 No o b j e c t i o n , They a re Your Honor. a d m itte d . ( G o v e r n m e n t E x h i b i t s Number 90 and 91 w e re a d m itte d i n t o e v id e n c e .) 18 19 MR. BELLA: If 20 THE COURT: You may. 21 MR. BELLA: 22 Q I h a nd y o u w h a t ' s I may a p p r o a c h a g a i n . b e en m a r k e d f o r 23 as G o v e r n m e n t E x h i b i t 24 p le a s e , 25 A Yes, I s ir? can. 92, and a s k Your Honor? id e n tific a tio n if purposes y o u c an i d e n t i f y th a t,

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ROTH - 1 2 d u p lic a te Q w ith 4 to ? A 6 Q III re e l. And d i d you make s u re t h a t a l l 3 5 T itle 821 DIRECT th o s e c a s s e t t e s as w i t h th e same f a c t o r s w e re t r u e t h e ones you j u s t te s tifie d Yes. And a r e 7 th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t ic ip a t e d i n by R o b e r t M atthew s? 8 A Yes, th e y a r e . 9 Q Thank y o u , 10 I 11 in to s ir. move t o e v id e n c e . i n t r o d u c e G o v e r n m e n t's E x h i b i t s Y our H o n o r. 12 THE COURT: 13 MR. T R U IT T : 14 MR. McGRATH: No 15 MR. JACKSON: 16 THE COURT: 17 90 and 91 Any o b j e c t i o n ? No o b j e c t i o n . o b je c tio n . No o b j e c t i o n , Your H o n o r. They a r e a d m i t t e d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t s Number 90 and 91 w e re a d m itte d in t o e v id e n c e .) 18 19 MR. BELLA: If 20 THE COURT: You may. 21 MR. BELLA: 22 Q I I may a p p ro a c h a g a i n , hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r 23 as Governm ent E x h i b i t 24 p le a s e , 25 A Yes, I s ir ? can. 92, Your Honor? id e n tific a tio n and ask i f p u rp o s e s you can i d e n t i f y th a t,

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ROTH - 1 Q 2 And i s 822 DIRECT t h a t a l s o a c a s s e t t e you p r e p a r e d fro m a d u p l i c a t e re e l? 3 A Yes. 4 Q And d i d you make s u re t h e 5 re g a rd to 6 to ? th is 7 A Yes. 8 Q And was t h i s 9 c a s s e tte same f a c t o r s w ere t r u e w i t h as w it h a d ru g -re la te d th e ones you j u s t t e s t i f i e d c o n v e rs a tio n p a r t ic ip a t e d R o b e rt B u r r e ll? 10 A Yes, 11 Q A c t u a l l y a c o u p le o f c o n v e r s a t i o n s 12 13 th a t A it is . same t y p e , is c o rre c t. MR. BELLA: in to to th e c o rre c t? T h a t's 14 15 in Move t o i n t r o d u c e G overnm ent E x h i b i t 92 e v id e n c e . 16 THE COURT: 17 MR. T R U IT T : 18 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 19 MR. JACKSON; No o b j e c t i o n . 20 THE COURT; 21 Any o b je c t io n ? No o b j e c t i o n . It's a d m it t e d . (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 92 was a d m it t e d in t o e v id e n c e .) 22 23 MR. BELLA; A g a in i f 24 THE COURT; You may. 25 MR. BELLA: I may a p p r o a c h . Your Honor? by

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ROTH - 2 Q 2 I hand you w h a t ' s baan markad as E x h i b i t 7 8 , and ask i f 3 A Yas, 4 Q And a r a 5 I you can i d a n t i f y th o s a , th o s a a l s o c a s s a t t a s 81, s ir? d u p lic a t a ra a ls ? Yas, 7 Q And d i d you make s u ra t h a t t h e th a y a r e . 8 re g a rd to those c a s s e tte s 9 te s tifie d A Q 12 Yes, I same f a c t o r s w e re t r u e w i t h as w i t h t h e ones t h a t you to p re v io u s ly ? d id . And a r e th o s e d r u g - r e l a t e d c o n v e rs a tio n s p a r t i c i p a t e d i n by L y n e t t a D u r r? A Yes, th e y a re . 14 15 80, t h a t you p r a p a r a d fro m A 13 p la a s a , 79, can. 6 10 823 DIRECT MR. BELLA: 79 — 78, 79, Your H o n o r, I move t o in tro d u c e E x h ib its 80 and 8 1 . 16 the COURT: 17 MR. TR U ITT: 18 MR. MCGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 19 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 20 THE COURT: 21 Any o b j e c t i o n ? No o b j e c t i o n . They a r e a l l a d m itte d . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Numbers 7 8 , 7 9 , 81 w ere a d m i t t e d i n t o e v i d e n c e . ) 22 23 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u , s ir, 24 THE COURT: C ro ss D a v i s . 25 MR. T R U ITT: N o t h i n g , th a t's Your H o n o r. a ll I have. 80 and

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BAREFIELD - 1 THE COURT: 2 MR. McGRATH: 3 THE COURT; 4 MR. JACKSON: 5 THE COURT: 6 DIRECT Cross D u r r . N o th in g , Your H o n o r . C ross Edw ards. N o th in g , Your H o n o r. You may s t e p down, MR. BELLA: James B a r e f i e l d . 8 THE COURT: P le a s e be s e a t e d , 9 speak d i r e c t l y 10 everybody in in to p u l l your c h a ir up, t h e c o u r tr o o m may h e a r . You may p r o c e e d , 12 MR. BELLA; c o u n s e l. Thank y o u , 13 Your H o n o r. JAMES BAREFIELD 14 c a l l e d as a w i t n e s s by th e G o v e rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y sworn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , t h e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h i n g b u t t h e t r u t h , was exam in ed and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s : 15 16 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 17 18 Q Would you s t a t e y o u r name, p le a s e ? 19 A Name i s 20 Q And c o u ld you s p e l l y o u r l a s t name, James B a r e f i e l d . THE COURT: m ic r o p h o n e , 23 t h a t e v e r y b o d y can h e a r . M r. p le a s e ? P le a s e p u l l up a l i t t l e 22 25 c o m in g . t h e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t 11 24 th a n k you f o r (The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d .) 7 21 824 B a re fie ld , THE WITNESS: B -A -R -E -F -I-E -L -D . c lo s e r and speak a l i t t l e to b it th e lo u d e r so

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BAREFIELD - 1 THE COURT: 2 MR. BELLA: 3 Q M r. B a r e f i e l d , 4 th e 5 D a v is , 6 o th e rs , Can th e j u r y h e a r? you w ere o r i g i n a l l y c h a rg e d i n i n d i c t m e n t a lo n g w i t h Lee Edw ards, F l a k e s K e llu m , W i l l i e is th a t Count 3 o f L y n e tta D u rr, M c In t o s h , James B r e t t G u yto n and rig h t? 7 A Yes, 8 Q And you p l e d g u i l t y s ir . c h a r g i n g you w i t h 9 825 DIRECT 10 tra ffic k in g 11 c o c a in e ? 12 A Yes, 13 Q And i n to t h a t count in th e c o n s p ira c y to v i o l a t e la w s by s e l l i n g in d ic tm e n t f e d e r a l d ru g or d i s t r i b u t i n g h e r o i n and s ir. exchange f o r th a t g u ilty 14 agree to 15 s e n te n c in g g u id e lin e s 16 c ir c u m s t a n c e s and d i s m i s s i n g t h e 17 as t o you? p le a , d i d t h e G overnm ent recommend t h e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r t h e as t h e y a p p l y t o y o u r p a r t i c u l a r r e m a in in g c h a r g e s , 18 A Yes, 19 Q And d i d you a l s o as p a r t o f t h a t p l e a if any, s ir. 20 te s tify 21 tria l? tru th fu lly if a g re e m e n t a g r e e c a l l e d upon t o do so i n 22 A Yes, 23 Q Do you know Lee Edwards? 24 A Yes, 25 Q M r. B a r e f i e l d , any c r i m i n a l s ir. s ir. w h at I ' m g o in g t o do i s to p l a y some t a p e

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BAREFIELD - 1 re c o rd in g s o f c o n v e rs a tio n s 2 I'll 3 re c o rd in g , 4 A A ll have some q u e s t io n s DIRECT 826 i n w h ic h you p a r t i c i p a t e d and t o ask you a b o u t th o s e t a p e okay? rig h t. 5 MR. MAY: T h is is E x h ib it 6 c o n v e rs a tio n s rig h t in a row and we w i l l 7 in te r im . 8 52 and a l s o two n o t s t o p on t h e , (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 2 , an a u d io t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 9 10 11 MR. BELLA: Q 12 M r. B a re fie ld , in t h a t c o n v e r s a t i o n a t one p o i n t you w e re i n f o r m e d t h a t Lee had w h i t e b o y; w h a t i s 13 A T h a t's 14 Q Is 15 A I 16 Q When you s a y w h i t e b o y , 17 A Beg y o u r pardon ? 18 Q When he says he has w h i t e boy — 19 A T h a t mean i t ' s 20 Q Were t h e r e more t h a n one k i n d o f h e r o i n 21 A No. it th a t? h e ro in . a p a rtic u la r guess i f it's k i n d o f h e r o in ? not c u t. w h at does t h a t mean t o you? h e ro in . 22 MR. McGRATH: 23 le a d in g q u e s tio n s w ith 24 THE COURT: 25 MR. McGRATH: I I'm I have no o b j e c t i o n reg ard to so rry, th e t h a t you c o u ld g e t ? t o him a s k i n g c o lo r o f th e h e r o in . w hat? have no o b j e c t i o n t o him l e a d i n g

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BAREFIELD - q u e s t i o n as t o t h e 1 827 DIRECT c o lo r o f th e h e r o in . MR. BELLA; 2 3 Q Was t h a t w h i t e h e r o in ? 4 A Yes, 5 Q And when you aske d Lee t o make up or a s ked t h a t Lee make up s ir . 50 dime bags f o r y o u , w h at d i d t h a t mean? 6 7 A 50 d im e s , 8 Q I n o tic e $10 b a g s . th a t th a t — in th a t c a ll phone a t 1522 T a f t S t r e e t . 9 a t t h a t a d d re s s o r was t h e r e 11 w o u ld c a l l A T h e r e was a d i f f e r e n t 13 Q Do you r e c a l l w here t h a t w as, 14 A A ll remember i s e x a c tly t h e phone a d d r e s s t h a t you one t o o . s ir? on 4 t h and T a f t , b u t th e add ress I d o n 't remember o f t h a t . 16 Q You have t o 17 A I s a id a d iffe re n t th e sometimes? 12 15 you were c a l l i n g Would you a lw a y s c a l l 10 I - it speak up? was a t 4 t h and T a f t P l a c e , yes. T h a t's a n o th e r ad d ress. 18 19 Q D id you e v e n t u a l l y g e t more bags o f h e r o i n 20 A You mean a f t e r 21 Q Yes, 22 A I th is c o n v e rs a tio n ? s ir? d o n 't — I c a n 't re c a ll if I d id have. 23 24 Q L e t's 25 A O kay. fro m Lee? p la y th e o th e r c o n v e rs a tio n s ? or n o t . but I m ig h t

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1 MR. BELLA: 2 MR. MAY: BAREFIELD - DIRECT What was t h a t la s t L a s t one was 5 2 . 3 828 e x h i b i t number? T h is one w i l l be 5 3 . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 3 , an a u d io t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 4 5 6 MR. BELLA: Q 7 8 A 9 Q 10 M r. B a re fie ld , to , you w e re a s k i n g f o r Yes, th e firs t c o n v e r s a t i o n t h a t we l i s t e n e d Lee t o make up 50 bags? s ir. Now, in th is them t h i n g s c o n v e r s a t i o n you s a i d you have a b o u t h a l f s o ld and you have $ 2 0 0 , is of th a t rig h t? 11 A 12 Q 13 A Yes, 14 Q What k i n d o f a r r a n g e m e n t d i d you have w i t h Lee r e g a r d i n g 15 Yes, in s ir . You have t o answer o u t lo u d ? s ir . how much you w o u ld owe him f o r 16 A Out o f t h e 17 Q Sure? 18 A $400. 19 Q O kay. 20 50 you mean? Fo r 50 dime b a g s , A W e ll, 22 Q Would he — 23 25 $10 e a c h , t h a t w o u ld be $ 5 0 0 . Why w o u ld you owe him o n l y $400? 21 24 t h e dime bags? b e c a u s e t e n o f them was f o r me. w o u ld he g i v e you some k i n d o f d i s c o u n t i f you o r d e r e d t h a t many bags? A W e ll, th a t's n o t so much a d i s c o u n t . what I g e t. W e ll, I It was j u s t , you know, d o n ' t u n d e r s t a n d w h at you mean

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BAREFIELD - 1 by a d i s c o u n t . 2 Q What w o u ld you owe him f o r 3 A $8. 4 Q So i f 5 drug s, is R ig h t. 7 Q How much w o u ld 8 A 200. 9 Q $200? 10 A T h a t's 11 Q In 14 15 16 t h a t w o u ld be $250 w o r t h o f th a trig h t? A 12 each dime bag? you s o ld 25 dime b a g s , 6 13 829 DIRECT you owe Lee? rig h t. th is c o n v e r s a t i o n you s a i d you had h a l f o f them t h i n g s s o l d and you had $200 f o r him? A Yes. MR. BELLA: Thank y o u . L e t's p la y th e n e x t e x h i b i t numbe r . MR. MAY: ]_7 54. (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 4 , an a u d io t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 18 19 MR. BELLA: 20 next e x h ib it. 21 MR. MAY: 22 E x h ib it c o n v e r s a t i o n s on t h i s 23 55. ta p e , I b e lie v e w e 'll t h r o u g h and p l a y th e re run r i g h t are MR. BELLA; th e two t h r o u g h th e m . (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 5 5 , an a u d io r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 24 25 Why d o n ' t we go r i g h t ta p e

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BAREFIELD - 1 Q M r. B a re fie ld , you c a l l e d 3 be made up f o r y o u . 4 w o u ld be a b l e A Lee. 6 Q And — and a s ked f o r a c e r t a i n numbers o f p a c k a g e s t o Who w o uld d e c id e how many p a c k a g e s you t o g e t a t a tim e ? - 7 THE COURT: 8 THE WITNESS: 9 A Lee. 10 Q And t h e n i n 11 830 t h e r e w ere a number o f c o n v e r s a t i o n s w h ere 2 5 DIRECT You have t o th a t la s t speak up . c o n v e r s a t i o n you s a i d you had a b o u t $ 3 5 0 ; w h a t w ere you d i s c u s s i n g when you t a l k e d about th a t? - 12 A T h a t was money I 13 Q I'm 14 A T h a t was some money I had f o r him f o r — 15 him fro m t h e h e r o i n g o t fro m h im . 16 f o r h im . had f o r him fro m th e s a l e sorry? I what I T h a t's 17 Q From w h e r e , where d i d t h a t money come from? 18 A W e ll, frie n d s . 19 Q P a y in g f o r 20 A R ig h t. 21 Q And w h ere w o u ld t h a t money go t o , 22 h im , of - me and a c o u p le had g o t f o r t h e money I t h e packag es? w here w o u ld t h a t money go to? 23 A To h im . 24 Q And w h o 's him? 25 A Lee. when you had money f o r had

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BAREFIELD - Thank y o u , CROSS EDWARDS 1 MR. BELLA: 2 THE COURT: 3 MR. TR U ITT: N o t h i n g , 4 THE COURT: Cross D u r r . 5 MR. McGRATH: N o th in g , 6 THE COURT: 7 MR. JACKSON: th a t^ s a ll I have. C ross D a v i s . Your H o n o r. Your H o n o r. C ross Edw ards. 8 Thank y o u . Your H o n o r. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. JACKSON: 9 10 s ir, 831 Q M r. x B a r e f ie ld , 11 you w e re a c o - d e f e n d a n t i n th is case, w ere you n o t? 12 A 13 Q 14 A 15 Q 16 A 17 Q Yes, s ir . And d i d you have an a t t o r n e y Yes, t h r o u g h o u t t h e p r o c e e d in g s ? s ir. An a t t o r n e y was a p p o i n t e d t o y o u , was he n o t? R ig h t. And d i d t h a t a t t o r n e y t a l k t o you a b o u t t h e minimum and 18 maximum p o s s i b l e p e n a l t i e s t h a t you'^re f a c i n g u n d e r t h e 19 c h a rg e s ? 20 A Yes. 21 Q You remember t h a t ? 22 A Yes, 23 Q 24 A I 25 Q No, s ir. Do you remember w h a t t h e maximum p e n a l t y was? th in k — on my p le a agre em e n t? o u ts id e your p le a a g re em e n t?

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BAREFIELD - 1 A Yes, s ir. 2 Q 40 y e a r s ? 3 A 40. 4 Q 40 y e a r s . And w h a t b e n e f i t s 5 A 7 Q W e ll, 20, O kay. 8 t h e maximum. Now, is th e re a cap on t h e s e n te n c e y o u ' r e g o in g t o re c e iv e ? 9 A I 10 Q You r e c e i v e 11 A 12 d o n 't I r e a lly know. t h e minimum s e n te n c e ? guess t h e minimum s e n t e n c e , I guess. I — o th e r — th e minimum. Q 14 15 a r e t h e p l e a a g re e m e n t g o in g t o b r i n g you? 6 13 832 CROSS EDWARDS D id y o u r a t t o r n e y d is c u s s w i t h you w h at t h a t minimum m ig h t be? A Yes, 16 to — 17 was, b u t a c c o rd in g to you know, b u t he — 18 Q 19 A Yes. 20 Q D id y o u r 21 B u t was i t c rim in a l th e g u id e lin e s t h a t he d i d n ' t a c t u a l l y he w o u ld d i s c u s s d ra m a tic a lly le s s a t t o r n e y a ls o d is c u s s re a lly know w h a t i t t h a t w i t h me l a t e r . th an th e 20? th e c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y , c a te g o ry p o in ts ? 22 A No, he d i d n ' t . 23 Q D id he show you a copy o f t h e 24 A No, he d i d n ' t . 25 Q So y o u ' r e he s a i d he w o u ld have not f a m i lia r w ith s e n te n c in g g u id e lin e s ? th e c rim in a l h is to r y th e

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BAREFIELD - 1 833 CROSS EDWARDS c a te g o rie s ? 2 A No. 3 Q 4 A No. 5 Q O kay. You n e v e r spoke w i t h M r. 6 A W e ll, no more t h a n he t o l d me I 7 Q D id n 't t a lk 8 A No. 9 Q Now, do you use drugs? 10 A 11 Q And how lo n g had you been u s in g d ru g s p r i o r 12 A I 13 Q 25 y e a r s ? 14 A Yes, 15 Q What 16 A Have you t a l k e d P rio r a b o u t w h at you were t o my a r r e s t , guess c lo s e B e lla ? had t o be h e r e . g o in g t o say to d a y ? yes. to your a r r e s t? t o 25 y e a r s . s ir. W e ll, 17 t o anybody a b o u t y o u r t e s t i m o n y to d a y ? t y p e o f d ru g s w o u ld you use? my d r u g o f c h o ic e was h e ro in , but I guess I ' v e used a b o u t some o f e v e r y t h i n g . 18 Q How f r e q u e n t l y w o u ld you use h e r o i n 19 A E very day. 20 Q How much ea ch day? 21 A It v a rie d . 22 it was l e s s . 23 — over $100, w e ll over $100. 24 Q A — 25 A I On p a y d a y , you know, it say f o r in s ta n c e ? was m o re . B u t t o g i v e you an e x a c t am ount, n e v e r k e p t c o u n t on how much I d id . O t h e r d ays it was o v e r

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BAREFIELD - CROSS EDWARDS 1 Q Been th r o u g h rehab? 2 A Yes, 3 Q How many tim e s ? 4 A 5 Q When was t h e 6 A In 7 Q Where d i d you go t o 8 A A t Broadway M e t h o d i s t i n M e r r i l l v i l l e - 9 Q What t y p e o f p ro g ra m , w ere you an i n - p a t i e n t ? 10 A 11 Q What t y p e o f p ro g ra m d i d you go th ro u g h ? 12 A An i n - p a t i e n t p ro g ra m . 13 Q How lo n g ? 14 A 90 d a y s . 15 Q 16 A It 17 Q 92? 18 A Yes, 19 Q And w h ere d i d you go th e n ? 20 A A t M e m o r ia l H o s p i t a l 21 0 And w h a t t y p e o f pro g ra m w ere you f o l l o w i n g ? 22 A It 23 Q Do you c o n s i d e r 24 25 s ir. T w ic e . firs t tim e ? '8 9 . rehab? Yes. 90 d a y s . And t h e was o f — second t im e you w e n t in ? a ro u n d Septem ber 1 o f l a s t y e a r . s ir. was a i n M ic h i g a n C i t y . 3 0 - d a y i n - p a t i e n t p ro g ra m . y o u r s e lf or em ployee o f Lee Edwards? A 834 Yes. d id you c o n s i d e r y o u r s e l f an

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BAREFIELD - 1 Q 2 A 3 Q 4 A 5 Q Yes? 6 A No. 7 Q D id you e v e r — , a c tiv ity 8 d i d you r e p o r t any money g a in e d fro m t h i s on income t a x re tu rn s ? 9 A It 10 Q What w o u ld you r e c e i v e ? 11 A Just h e ro in . 12 Q Have you used any d ru g s s in c e y o u r a r r e s t ? 13 A No. w a s n ' t no money g a in e d . 14 MR. JACKSON; 15 THE COURT; N o t h in g f u r t h e r . Your H o n o r. R e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 16 17 18 835 REDIRECT Q M r. B a re fie ld , d ru g s 19 you i n d i c a t e d you used d r u g s . You used f o r how lo n g ? 20 A 25 y e a r s . 21 Q Do you have any e s t i m a t e 22 A A lto g e th e r? 23 Q On a w e e k ly b a s is ? 24 A I 25 Q Yes. d o n ' t know. If as t o how much i t How much w o u ld i t you can t e l l us? was c o s t i n g you? c o s t me on a w e e k ly b a s is ?

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BAREFIELD - 1 A R e a lly a c t u a lly put a p ric e 2 3 REDIRECT on i t , I 836 never ever t r i e d to count i t . Q 4 Over th o s e 25 y e a r s do you t h i n k t h e money you used on d ru g s w o u ld add up t o a s u b s t a n t i a l 5 A Oh, d e f i n i t e l y . 6 Q You w e re w o rk in g ? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Is 9 A Yes, 10 Q D id y o u r a t t o r n e y sum? Because I was w o r k in g . t h a t w here t h e money came fro m t o pa y f o r t h e d ru g s? s ir. in d ic a te t o you t h a t th e g u id e lin e s th a t 11 w o u ld a p p l y t o you o r t o any o t h e r d e f e n d a n t w o u ld be ba s e d 12 i n p a r t upon how much d ru g s you w e re 13 d is trib u tin g ? re s p o n s ib le fo r 14 A Yes, 15 Q And w h ere w o u ld you go t o p i c k up t h e s e d ru g s t h a t you s ir . d iscu ssed over th e 16 17 A A t h is 18 Q Those f i r s t t e le p h o n e ? house. 19 th e l a s t 20 house? c o n v e rs a tio n s c o u p le w e re a t I n o t i c e w ere a t 1 5 t h and T a f t , 460 T a f t . Would you go t o e i t h e r 21 A Yes, s ir. 22 Q And when you d is c u s s e d t h e $200 t h a t you had i n 23 c o n v e r s a t i o n s and t h e $350 24 was t h a t a b o u t? 25 A I — I c a n 't — in th e la s t th e e a r l y c o n v e rs a tio n , what

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BAREFIELD - 1 Q The $200 you d is c u s s e d i n 2 $350 i n 3 to ? la te r A 5 Q 6 A Yes, 7 Q C o u ld you p o i n t him 8 A W e a r in g a brown s u i t . 10 837 c o n v e r s a t i o n and t h e where w o u ld t h a t money go w o u ld go t o h im . And do you see Lee Edwards i n th e c o u r tr o o m to d a y ? s ir. MR. BELLA: o u t and d e s c r i b e w h at h e ' s w e a r in g ? Your H o n o r, w o u ld t h e t h e w i t n e s s has i d e n t i f i e d 11 THE COURT: 12 MR. JACKSON: 13 THE COURT: 14 MR. BELLA: 15 THE COURT: 16 MR. T R U ITT: 17 THE COURT: 18 MR. MCGRATH: 19 THE COURT: 20 MR. JACKSON: 21 THE COURT: reco rd re fle c t th a t th e d e fe n d a n t. Any o b j e c t i o n ? No o b j e c t i o n . So i n d i c a t e d . Thank y o u , I have n o t h i n g f u r t h e r . R e c ro s s D a v i s . N o th in g , Your H o n o r. R e c ro s s D u r r . N o th in g . R e c ro s s Edw ards. 22 23 th e e a r l y c o n v e rs a tio n , 4 9 It th is REDIRECT N o th in g , Your H o n o r. You may s t e p down, th a n k you f o r c o m in g . (The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d . ) THE COURT: L a d ie s and g e n t le m e n , 24 m in u t e s a f t e r te n , it's 25 o u r mid m o rn in g b r e a k . it's p r o b a b l y a good t im e a b o u t seven f o r us t o Remember t h e a d m o n i t io n t h a t ta k e th e

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838 1 C o u r t gave you b e f o r e ; 2 y o u rs e lv e s , 3 in your presen ce. 4 any o p i n i o n on t h i s 5 you. 6 p l e a s e pass t h e 7 fo llo w th is W ith t h a t , It is your d u ty n o t to case u n t i l b e fo re I it is tra n s c rip ts down t o t h e M a r s h a l . THE COURT: You may be s e a t e d . A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w a n t break? MR. MCGRATH: 14 o u r mid m o rn in g No. ( T h e r e was a r e c e s s t a k e n . ) THE COURT: about b e fo re I A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w is h t o a d d r e s s t h e C o u r t c a ll th e 17 MR. TR U ITT: 18 MR. MCGRATH: No. 19 MR. JACKSON: No, 20 MR. BELLA: No, 21 THE COURT: C a ll 22 j u r y down? N o th in g , Your H o n o r. Your H o n o r. Your H o n o r. th e ju ry . (The j u r y w ere e s c o r t e d i n t o and t h e t r i a l was resumed i n r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 23 25 You may (The j u r y w ere e s c o r t e d fro m t h e c o u r t r o o m , and t h e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s to o k p l a c e , r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 12 24 s u b m itte d to d i s c h a r g e you f o r y o u r b r e a k , t o a d d r e s s t h e C o u r t a b o u t b e f o r e we t a k e 16 w i t h you o r fo rm o r e x p r e s s fin a lly 1 1 15 it th e M arsh al u p s t a i r s . 9 13 case among do n o t p e r m i t anyone t o d i s c u s s 8 10 do n o t d is c u s s THE COURT: u s u a lly I lik e You may be s e a t e d . it cool in th e L a d ie s co u rtro o m , th e c o u rtro o m , open c o u r t , and g e n t l e m e n , but I re a lly have

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839 1 n o t h i n g t o do w i t h 2 be c a l l i n g 3 much h e l p I ' m 4 in 5 degrees. 6 little 7 have. t h e c o o ln e s s o f t h e C o u r t t o d a y . th e c u s to d ia n . U n fo rtu n a te ly th e w in t e r t im e th e te m p e ra tu re b i t w a rm e r. I 9 MR. BELLA: 12 13 Your H o n o r, th e — 73 t h r o u g h 76 a t t h i s THE COURT: You may. w h ic h t a p e y o u ' r e MR. MAY: so I ' l l try d o n ' t know how much l u c k C a ll your next w itn e s s . 1 1 d o n ' t know how s h o u ld be 65 t o 70 The th e rm o m e te r says 7 0 , p la y E x h ib its w ill g o in g t o g e t because t h e G overnm ent says t h a t 8 10 I I M r. I'd to g et I'm it a g o in g t o ask p e r m i s s i o n t o tim e . May, w o u ld you i n d i c a t e p la y in g . E x h ib it 73. (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 7 3 , an a u d io t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 14 15 16 MR. MAY: E x h ib it 74. (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 7 4 , an a u d i o t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 17 18 19 MR. MAY: E x h ib it 75. (G o vernm ent E x h i b i t Number 7 5 , an a u d i o t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 20 21 22 MR. MAY: E x h ib it 76. (G o ve rn m e n t E x h i b i t Number 7 6 , an a u d i o t a p e r e c o r d i n g , was p l a y e d i n open c o u r t . ) 23 24 25 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u . Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll w i l l be o u r

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CAMPBELL - 1 DIRECT 840 n ext w itn e s s . 2 THE COURT: 3 P le a s e be s e a t e d , P le a s e pass t h e 4 in to 5 c o u r tr o o m may h e a r . tra n s c rip ts p u ll your c h a ir up, back. speak d i r e c t l y t h e m ic ro p h o n e lo u d enough so t h a t e v e r y b o d y i n 6 You may p r o c e e d , 7 MR. BELLA: c o u n s e l. Thank y o u . 8 th e Your H o n o r. GWENDOLYN CAMPBELL 9 c a l l e d as a w i t n e s s by t h e G o ve rn m e n t, b e in g f i r s t d u l y sworn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , t h e w h o le t r u t h and n o t h i n g b u t t h e t r u t h , was exam ined and t e s t i f i e d as f o l l o w s : 10 11 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 12 13 Q Would you s t a t e y o u r name, 14 A Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll. 15 Q And w o u ld you s p e l l y o u r f i r s t 16 A G -W -E -N -D -0-L ~ Y -N . 17 Q And y o u r l a s t name, p le a s e ? 18 A C -A -M -P -B -E -L -L . 19 Q M is s C a m p b e ll, p le a s e ? you have e n t e r e d 20 t h e Governm ent i n 21 rig h t? name, in to a case u n r e l a t e d 22 A Yes, 23 Q And t h e G overnm ent a t t o r n e y — to p le a s e ? a p le a th is a g re e m e n t w i t h one, s ir. 24 MR. McGRATH: 25 THE COURT: May we a p p ro a c h t h e bench? You may. is th a t

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CAMPBELL - (Bench d i s c u s s i o n on t h e 1 MR. McGRATH: 2 3 MR. BELLA: 5 MR. McGRATH: We have n o t been p r o v i d e d w i t h No, I have no — any p l e a a g re e m e n t f o r h e r? 7 o f t h e p l e a a g r e e m e n t. 8 u n t i l we can have i t . 9 THE COURT: th o se t a p e s now, T h e r e ' s no — We ask t h a t t h i s We have some t a p e s ; I'd w itn e s s s t a n d down you w a n t t o p l a y p re fe r to g e t her te s tim o n y o u t o f th e w ay. 14 MR. McGRATH: 15 THE COURT: O kay. Take a r e c e s s . (End o f d i s c u s s i o n a t t h e b e n c h . ) 16 THE COURT: L a d ie s and g e n t le m e n , w e ' r e 18 a sh o rt 19 gave you b e f o r e ; 20 do n o t p e r m i t anyone t o d i s c u s s 21 p resen ce. 22 o p i n i o n on t h i s 23 W ith t h a t , recess. It do n o t d i s c u s s th is it your d u ty n o t to case u n t i l you may f o l l o w it is ta k e th e C o u rt case among y o u r s e l v e s , w i t h you o r in your fo rm o r e x p r e s s any fin a lly s u b m itte d to you. th e M arsh al u p s t a i r s . ( T h e r e was a r e c e s s THE COURT: g o in g t o Remember t h e a d m o n i t io n t h a t is 24 25 we w a n t a copy g e t them o v e r w i t h ? MR. BELLA: 12 do you have a copy o f A recess? MR. McGRATH: 10 17 a copy o f You have n o t? 6 13 re c o rd .) an y p l e a a g r e e m e n t. 4 11 841 DIRECT You may be s e a t e d . ta k e n .) C o u n s e l, how lo n g a r e

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842 1 you g o in g t o need? 2 MR. BELLA: A m a t t e r o f m in u t e s . 3 THE COURT: Would you k i n d l y a d v is e me when t h e 4 documents have been p r o v i d e d and — 5 MR. McGRATH: Your H o n o r, if 6 p r o v i d e d w i t h any c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y 7 ju s t 8 j u s t want to so we can see p r o o f . I W e ll, w h at I ' m o p p o r tu n ity to t a l k , 1 1 Would you a d v is e me when y o u ' r e 12 fo r 13 ta k e 14 s u r e you l e t 15 I'm w a itin g a l s o we w e re n o t of h er, and i f th e re it, is , I c are o f i t . W e 'll me know, s a y in g . ready or i f thou gh, c o u n s e l, 18 a b o u t b e f o r e we c a l l t h e r e 's r i g h t now. MR. McGRATH: Yes, ta k e n .) Your H o n o r, M is s C a m p b e ll on v o i r d i r e 21 a b o u t h e r b e in g i n 22 a n o th e r w itn e s s 23 THE COURT: I w o u ld l i k e about her — t h e c o u r tr o o m d u r i n g to th e C o urt ju ry ? 20 ju s t Make read y. A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w is h t o a d d r e s s th e a need because o th e r w is e me when y o u ' r e ( T h e r e was a r e c e s s THE COURT: g i v e you an a d v i s e me o f t h a t and we can ta k e a s h o rt break f o r you t o t e l l 17 I'll lo o k a t w h a t e v e r documents you n e e d . a h e a r i n g on s o m e th in g , 16 25 — d o n ^ t need a copy o f 10 24 I see i t . THE COURT: 9 19 Your H o n o r. show t h a t ' s You may. to ta k e j u s t make a r e c o r d th e te s tim o n y o f no f a c t u a l — P le a s e be s e a t e d e v e r y b o d y . VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION BY MR. McGRATH:

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CAMPBELL - VOIR DIRE 1 Q G w en dolyn , my name i s John M c G ra th , 2 fe w q u e s t i o n s . 3 and s a t and w a tc h e d some o f th e 4 a g e n t? Now, 5 THE COURT: 6 THE WITNESS: g o in g t o ask you a a c o u p le o f days ago you came i n e a rly te s tim o n y o f a s p e c ia l You have t o answer o u t l o u d . , 7 A Yes. 8 Q R obert P e rtu s o , 9 A Yes. 10 Q And t h e n you w ere asked t o l e a v e 11 I'm 843 is th a t c o rre c t? th e c o u rtro o m , is th a t c o rre c t? 12 A No, 13 Q O kay. 14 A U h -h u h . 15 Q You have n o t been back s in c e ? 16 A No. 17 Q And y o u 'v e n o t o v e r h e a r d any o t h e r t e s t i m o n y by an y o t h e r 18 th e y d i d n 't W e ll, ask me t o l e a v e , le ft anyw ay. you l e f t ? w itn e s s e s — 19 A No. 20 Q — is 21 th a t c o rre c t? T h a t was t h e o n l y w i t n e s s 22 A Yes. 23 Q And he was t a l k i n g 24 A O n ly t h i n g he t a l k e d 25 I t h a t you h e a rd ? about — a b o u t was when t h e y w e n t i n t o house o r s o m e th in g l i k e th a t. th e

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CAMPBELL - VOIR DIRE 1 Q It was t h e 2 A Yes, s ir . 3 Q — 4 A T h a t's 5 Q 6 7 search — its e lf, is th a t rig h t? a ll. And you w e r e n ' t p r e s e n t d u r i n g t h a t and y o u ' r e te s tify A No, about t h a t , is no. MR. Mc Gr a t h : 9 THE COURT: Any o b j e c t i o n s ? 10 MR. TR U ITT: No o b j e c t i o n . 11 MR. JACKSON: 12 THE COURT: 13 MR. TRU ITT: No. 14 THE COURT: O kay. 15 MR. BELLA: Your H o n o r, I 17 to d efe n s e c o u n s e l. 18 th o s e c o p ie s , 19 s itu a tio n 20 p le a 21 a n y th in g 24 25 in to , I A n y t h in g e ls e ? had — I th e re Some d e f e n s e and made s u re t h a t ag reem en t. a p le a agreem ent t h a t had p r o v i d e d c o p i e s c o u n s e l have l o c a t e d and we have th e y a l l O t h e r th a n t h a t , fu rth e r is th o u g h t I o t h e r s have n o t , THE COURT: Y ou r H o n o r. I n s o f a r as h e r b e in g h e r e . she e n t e r e d th e have no f u r t h e r q u e s t i o n s . No. 16 22 n o t g o in g t o th a t c o rre c t? 8 23 844 I re s o lv e d t h a t have c o p i e s d o n 't th in k o f th e t h e r e 's to address th e C ourt a b o u t. Nobody needs t o say a n y t h i n g e l s e ? C a ll ju ry . (The j u r y w ere e s c o r t e d i n t o and t h e t r i a l was resumed i n r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) th e c o u rtro o m , open c o u r t ,

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CAMPBELL - THE COURT: 1 845 DIRECT You may be s e a t e d . M r. B e lla , you may c o n tin u e . 2 MR. BELLA: 3 Thank y o u , Your H o n o r. DIRECT EXAMINATION ( C o n t ^ d . ) BY MR. BELLA: 4 5 6 Q Would you s t a t e y o u r name, 7 A Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll. 8 Q You u n d e r s t a n d y o u ' r e 9 A Yes, 10 Q M is s C a m p b e ll, 11 A Yes, 12 Q T ry to 13 A O kay. 14 Q — p le a s e ? s till u n d e r o a th ? s ir. I do you have a c o l d or som e th in g ? do. speak up as w e l l as you can — so we can u n d e r s t a n d y o u . Y o u 'v e e n t e r e d 15 in to a p l e a a g re e m e n t i n a s e p a ra te 16 case w h ere t h e A s s i s t a n t U n i t e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y was a 17 M ic h a e l T h i l l , is th a t rig h t? 18 A Yes. 19 Q And t h a t p l e a a g re e m e n t c a l l e d 20 e n te r a p le a o f g u i l t y 21 fa c ilita te f o r you i n case t o t o u s in g a c o m m u n ic a tio n f a c i l i t y d ru g t r a f f i c k i n g v io la tio n s ? 22 A Yes. 23 Q Is 24 A Yes, 25 Q And p a r t o f t h a t p l e a a g re e m e n t c a l l e d th a t th a t rig h t? s ir. fo r t h e G o vernm ent to

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CAMPBELL - DIRECT 846 1 to recommend t h e minimum s e n te n c e u n d e r t h e g u i d e l i n e s 2 w o u ld a p p l y t o you i n t h a t case 3 te s tify c a l l e d upon t o do so i n any c r i m i n a l 4 tria l, tru th fu lly is th a t if i n exchange f o r you t o r ig h t? 5 A Yes, 6 Q Or any o t h e r p r o c e e d in g where you were — 7 A Yes. 8 Q — 9 A Yes, 10 Q Now, M is s C a m p b e ll, 11 A Yes, 12 Q D ra w in g y o u r a t t e n t i o n s ir . c a l l e d upon t o t e s t i f y , la te 13 is th a t rig h t? s ir . I do you know Lee Edwards? do. '8 0 's , t o t h e p e r i o d b e tw e e n s a y t h e mid t o w h at was y o u r r e l a t i o n s h i p t o Lee? 14 A A frie n d . 15 Q And d i d you have any o t h e r d e a l i n g s w i t h Lee? 16 A I w o rk e d f o r h im . 17 Q And when you say you w o rked f o r h im , 18 A I 19 Q And w h a t d i d you s e l l 20 A Packages, 21 Q Where d i d you s e l l 22 A 2nd and M a r s h a l l , w h at d i d you do? s o ld o u t o f d i f f e r e n t houses. o u t o f t h e s e d i f f e r e n t houses? h e r o i n and c o c a i n e . o u t o f? 8 t h and V i r g i n i a , 7 t h and V i r g i n i a , and G r a n t . 23 th a t 24 Q What was a t 5 t h and G r a n t , 25 A A p artm en t b u i l d i n g . w h at k i n d o f b u i l d i n g ? 5 th

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q Anywhere e ls e ? 2 A And on T a f t . 3 Q Where on T a f t ? 4 A 4th . 5 Q 4 t h and T a f t . DIRECT Draw y o u r a t t e n t i o n 6 M a rs h a ll. 7 Lee Edwards when you s o ld f o r h im , 8 a r ra n g e m e n ts ? W e ll, 847 firs t t o 2nd and w h at k i n d o f a r ra n g e m e n t d i d you have w i t h w h at k i n d o f b u s in e s s 9 A Made $2 o f f 10 Q O f f o f e v e r y packag e o f what? 11 A Dime p a c k a g e . 12 Q Dime package? 13 A Yes. 14 Q So a dime packag e i s 15 A $1 0 . 16 Q And you w o u ld make how much o f f o f each one? 17 A Two. 18 Q I see. 19 e ls e 20 th ere? 21 A o f ev ery package. how much? Draw y o u r a t t e n t i o n th en to 2nd and M a r s h a l l ; s o l d o u t o f t h a t a d d r e s s when you w ere s e l l i n g D e id re , 22 Lee, 23 know h i s s h e 's d e c e a s e d now. th a t's a ll. Oh, A lm o r e , And L y n e t t e C le v e , 24 Q C l e v e , A lm o r e , 25 A U h -h u h . some — t h e name P o o k ie ? out of and m y s e l f and and P o o k i e , r e a l name. who I d o n 't

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q D e i d r e and L y n e t t e ? 2 A Yes. 3 Q When you say — 4 A Yes. 5 Q The c o u r t p l e a s e answer o u t lo ud? r e p o r t e r has t o t a k e down t h e words t h a t you s a y . And when you say L y n e t t e , 6 848 DIRECT who a r e you r e f e r r i n g 7 A L y n e tte D u rr. 8 Q L y n e t t e D u rr? 9 A Yes. 10 Q What happened t o t h a t house a t 2nd and M a r s h a l l ? 11 A It 12 Q Where e l s e b u rn e d down o r s o m e th in g . o t h e r th a n t h a t house on 2nd and M a r s h a l l d i d Lee Edwards have p e o p le 13 s e llin g A A t th e o th e r addresses t h a t 15 Q Was t h e r e a n o th e r — w e ll, l e t me ask you t h i s . an y p l a c e on t h e e a s t s id e t h a t he s o ld o u t o f? 17 A T h a t was — 18 Q Okay? 19 A 7 t h and V i r g i n i a , 20 Q And was t h e r e — 8 t h and V i r g i n i a th a t's —— d ra w y o u r a t t e n t i o n 22 lo c a te d ? gave. is on t h e e a s t s i d e . any o t h e r p l a c e t o where t h e 23 A Oh, 24 Q Was t h a t a n o t h e r l o c a t i o n 25 A Yes, Was t h e r e on t h e e a s t s i d e . was t h e r e 21 on 4 t h and P e n n s y lv a n i a yes. I f o r him? 14 16 to ? I th in k fire near — s ta tio n t h a t was. t h a t he s o ld o u t o f? is d i d you

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q Now, y o u 'v e DIRECT t o l d us a b o u t a l l 849 th e s e p l a c e s , 2nd and 2 M a rs h a ll, 8 t h and V i r g i n i a , 3 b u ild in g , and 460 T a f t and th e p l a c e b e h in d t h e 4 s ta tio n . Which o f th e s e p l a c e s 5 s e ll 6 A 7 7 t h and V i r g i n i a , if th e a p a rtm e n t fire any w o u ld L y n e t t e D u r r o u t o f? W e ll, o n ly p la c e M a rs h a ll, she e v e r w orked w i t h me a t was on - on 4 t h and P e n n s y lv a n i a and on 8 t h and V i r g i n i a . 8 Q D id L y n e t t a have a s i s t e r ? 9 A Yes, 10 Q And who was t h a t ? 11 A L aC heryl D u rr. 12 Q And d i d 13 A A t one p o i n t . 14 Q What d i d 15 A Same t h i n g 16 Q T h a t's 17 A Yes. 18 Q Do you r e c a l l w here she s o ld o u t o f? 19 A Same p l a c e s . 20 Q And do you know a p e r s o n by t h e name o f R o s e t t a P i r t l e 21 she d i d . she have any b u s in e s s d e a l i n g s w i t h Lee? she do? I s e ll d id . d ru g s f o r him? Pon dero sa? 22 A Yes. 23 Q What k i n d o f 24 A Same r e l a t i o n s h i p . 25 Q And w h ere w o u ld she s e l l re la tio n s h ip d id she have w i t h d ru g s f o r Lee i f Lee o u t o f? any? or

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CAMPBELL - 1 A W e ll, re a lly R o s e t t a came i n as I was l e a v i n g , w o u l d n ' t know a l l , 2 850 DIRECT Q And do you know someone named Plu m ado ra King? 4 A Yes. 5 Q D id she have a r e l a t i o n s h i p w i t h Lee as w e l l ? 6 A Yes. 7 Q What was t h a t ? 8 A S e llin g . 9 Q S e llin g 10 A Yes. 11 Q And w here d i d 12 A A t h e r house and on G r a n t . 13 Q O ut o f — 14 A A t h e r house and on G r a n t . 15 Q A t h e r house? 16 A A p a rtm e n t. 17 Q And on G r a n t? 18 A U h -h u h . 19 Q A t th e a p a rtm e n t b u ild in g ? 20 A Yes, 21 Q Where i s 22 A It 23 Q Do you know w h a t k i n d o f a r r a n g e m e n ts 25 f o r him? she s e l l o u t o f? w h at was t h a t you s a i d a g a in ? s ir . P lu m a d o ra K i n g 's house i f you r e c a l l ? was on 2 5 t h and M a s s a c h u s e t t s . had w i t h Lee? A — you know, where she s o ld a t . 3 24 so a l l Same as I d id . T h a t's a ll I know o f . t h e s e o t h e r p e o p le I

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q $2 o f f 2 A Yes. 3 Q G w endolyn, 4 A 5 Q 6 A R ig h t t h e r e . 7 Q C o u ld you t e l l Yes, I do you see Lee Edwards i n Can you t e l l us where he i s b rie fly 9 THE WITNESS: Brown s u i t Your H o n o r, A ccep t th e 12 MR. BELLA: Yes, 13 THE COURT: L e t th e 15 w e 'll s tip u la te . c o a t. THE COURT: s tip u la tio n and — w h at h e ' s w e a r in g ? 1 1 14 t h e c o u r tr o o m to d a y ? do. MR. JACKSON: A 851 each dime bag s o ld ? 8 10 DIRECT id e n tifie d s tip u la tio n ? Your H o n o r. r e c o r d show t h e d e f e n d a n t has by t h e d e f e n d a n t Lee E d w ard s . MR. BELLA: 16 Q And do you see L y n e t t a D u r r 17 A Yes, 18 Q C o u ld you p o i n t h e r o u t and d e s c r i b e w h a t s h e 's w e a r in g ? 19 A A j o g g i n g s u i t w i t h p i n k and b l u e 20 21 22 23 in th e c o u r tr o o m to d a y ? s ir . MR. McGRATH: S tip u la te th a t c o lo rs s h e 's in it. id e n tifie d th e d e fe n d a n t. THE COURT: L e t th e w i t n e s s has i d e n t i f i e d r e c o r d show t h e d e f e n d a n t - - th e d e fe n d a n t L o r e t t a 24 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u , 25 THE COURT: L y n e tta , th a t's a ll e x cu se me. I D u rr. have. th e

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CAMPBELL - 1 MR. BELLA: 2 th a t's a ll I CROSS DURR 852 T h e re may be some more q u e s t i o n s fo r you, have. 3 THE COURT: 4 MR. TR U ITT: 5 THE COURT: Cross D a v i s . N o th in g , Your H o n o r. C ross D u r r . 6 CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. Mc Gr a t h : 7 8 Q G w en dolyn , when d i d y o u r a s s o c i a t i o n w i t h Lee Edwards end? 9 A I 10 Q So how lo n g w ere you a s s o c i a t e d w i t h him? 1 1 A From a b o u t 12 Q When d i d L o r r i 13 A I 14 Q Do you know? 15 A No, 16 Q When was i t 17 18 th in k th in k I lik e about '8 3 , I '8 4 . '8 3 on down. '8 8 , s o m e th in g l i k e th a t — w e ll, two d a u g h t e r s ? I d id n 't M a'am , w a i t MR. Mc Gr a t h : know a b o u t t h e o t h e r o n e . fo r th e a t t o r n e y I d o n 't th in k — 22 Q You knew a b o u t t h e o l d e r d a u g h t e r ? 23 A Lee A nn, 24 Q Lee A nn. Yes. '8 9 . do you know t h a t L y n e t t a D u r r has to q u e s t i o n b e f o r e a n s w e r in g i t . 21 25 th a t, d o n ' t know e x a c t l y . THE COURT: 20 was a b o u t knew she had o n e , 19 Just Edwards m a rr y Lee Edwards? about i t two c h i l d r e n , A '88. Lee Ann. And s h e 's seven? maybe she — fin is h h is

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q And how — 2 A No. 3 Q O kay. 4 I A I 6 Q W e ll, 7 c h ild ? d id n 't. 8 A No. 9 Q It 11 b e fo re I c o u ld g e t t h e q u e s t i o n — 12 has somebody t o you a b o u t w h at has been t e s t i f i e d j u s t k i n d o f came t o you t h a t a b o u t two c h i l d r e n , A L y n e t t e was p r e g n a n t . How d i d you know I was g o in g t o ask you a b o u t t h e ta lk e d 10 know a b o u t S h a n te w h o 's f o u r ? d i d n ' t even know she — o th e r 5 and you d i d n ' t 853 CROSS DURR You s a i d tw o . I was g o in g t o ask you one o f — And I s a id I knew a b o u t one and I d id n 't know a b o u t t h e o t h e r o n e . 13 Q Was Lee Ann — was 14 A Yes, 15 Q I ' i n g o in g t o hand you w h a t ' s been m arked f o r th a t's w h at Lee Edwards t h e as D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s 17 at th a t. 18 A 19 Q What i s 20 A My t h i n g 21 Q Your 22 A Yes. 23 Q 24 fa th e r E x h ib it 8, Do you r e c o g n i z e id e n tific a tio n and ask you t o t a k e a lo o k th a t? Yes. th a t? f o r my g o in g t o c o u r t . p l e a a g re e m e n t? And t h a t is th e w r i t t e n document t h a t encompasses t h e a g re e m e n t b e tw e e n you and t h e Governm ent? A o f Lee Ann? I was t o l d . 16 25 to p re v io u s ly ? Yes, s ir.

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q In 2 A Yes, s ir . 3 Q What c o u rtd id 4 th a t o th e r case, is CROSS DURR 854 th a t c o rre c t? you a p p e a r i n and e n t e r y o u r p le a , b e fo re w h ic h ju d g e ? 5 A Him . 6 Q H ere? 7 A Yes. 8 Q So you w e re 9 A Yes. 10 Q Now, b e f o r e y o u ' r e . in fr o n t o f Judge L o z a n o , is a llo w e d to e n t e r th a tc o rre c t? a p le a , is it tru e th a t 11 t h e Judge goes th r o u g h each and e v e r y p a r a g r a p h o f t h e p l e a 12 a g re e m e n t t h o r o u g h l y w i t h you? 13 A Yes, 14 Q And d i d he — 15 A Yes, 16 s ir . he d i d Judge Lozano do t h a t th is case? d id . MR. McGRATH; Your H o n o r, 17 e v id e n c e D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s 18 e n te r a p le a o f g u i l t y I'm g o in g t o o f f e r E x h ib it 8, in to b e in g t h e p e t i t i o n to o f Gwendolyn C a m p b e ll. 19 THE COURT: 20 MR. T R U ITT: None, 21 MR. JACKSON: No, 22 THE COURT: G o v e rn m e n t. 23 MR. BELLA: No o b j e c t i o n . 24 THE COURT: D e fe n d a n t's D u rr 8 is 25 in Any o b j e c t i o n by any o f t h e c o -d e fe n d a n ts ? Your H o n o r. Your H o n o r. o rd ered a d m itte d . ( D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s E x h i b i t Number 8 was a d m itte d in t o e v id e n c e .)

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CAMPBELL - CROSS DURR 855 1 2 3 MR. MCGRATH; Q Now, I'm g o in g t o d i r e c t y o u r a t t e n t i o n 4 D efen d an t D u r r 's 5 paragrap hs — 6 A THE COURT: 8 and ask you i f th a t is th e Oh. 7 C o u n s e l, if you w a nt t o p o i n t t o it, you s p e c ific a g re e m e n t b e tw e e n you and t h e may. 9 10 E x h ib it 8, to paragrap h 9 o f MR. MCGRATH: Q 11 That o u tlin e th e Governm ent? 12 A Yes, 13 Q O kay. 14 s ir. Now, d i r e c t i n g subparagraph A, 15 A Yes. 16 Q And does t h a t your a t t e n t io n do you see t h a t ? c a ll f o r you t o e n t e r a p l e a 17 u s in g a c o m m u n ic a tio n f a c i l i t y 18 and i n t e n t i o n a l d i s t r i b u t i o n 19 A Yes. 20 Q T h is d i s t r i b u t i o n 21 w ith your t o p a r a g r a p h 9A, 22 A No. 23 Q You d i d t h a t 24 A Yes, 25 Q And t h a t was a f t e r fa c ilita te o f c o c a in e , o f c o c a in e , r e la tio n s h ip w ith to of g u ilty does i t is th e th a t know ing c o rre c t? have a n y t h i n g t o do Lee Edwards? s e p a ra te ly ? s ir. — a fte r to any a s s o c i a t i o n w i t h Lee

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CAMPBELL - Edwards? 1 2 A Yes, 3 Q In s ir . exchange you r e c e i v e d a — th is 4 A Not y e t . 6 Q T h e y 'v e d e la y e d s e n t e n c in g ? 7 A Yes, 8 Q Even th o u g h you — th e y d id . I'll 9 A 13 THE WITNESS: Your H o n o r, I — '9 1 . MR. BELLA: 15 I o b j e c t t o u s in g t h a t 16 re fre s h her 17 may n o t n e c e s s a r i l y be e n t e r e d t h e a ll C o u n s e l, 19 q u e s tio n , 20 d o n ' t know w h at t h a t — 21 any f u r t h e r . he d i d MR. MCGRATH: 22 Q Is th a t — file mark t o r e c o l l e c t i o n when t h e p l e a was e n t e r e d . THE COURT: 18 23 th e upper c o rn e r o f th e S epte m b e r 9 . MR. BELLA; A to t h a t p le a ? shows — 12 14 when d i d you e n t e r d i r e c t your a t t e n t io n e x h i b i t and i t 10 have you been s e n t e n c e d u n d e r cause number? 5 11 856 CROSS DURR is I th a t — is I same day t h i s d o n ' t know i f d i r e c t h er to th e w h eth er coun sel is was f i l e d . th e r e 's file T h is a s ta m p . I g o in g w i t h it am. th e d a te 24 C o u rt, was t h a t th e d a te th a t 25 was i t s h o rtly th e r e a fte r , if th a t it was f i l e d t h e p l e a was a l s o you r e c a l l ? w ith th e e n te re d or

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CAMPBELL - 1 A I 2 Q Was t h a t 3 A Yes. 4 Q So you have been w a i t i n g 5 c a n 't re c a ll, in s e n te n c ed , '9 1 is CROSS DURR s ir. t h a t t h e p l e a was e n t e r e d ? s in c e sometime i n 1991 t o be th a t c o rre c t? 6 A Yes. 7 Q And d u r i n g t h a t t i m e , 8 A C o n t in u e d on my bond? 9 Q A re you i n c a r c e r a t e d o r a r e you — 10 A No, 11 Q Y o u 're 12 A Yes. 13 Q So y o u 'v e been c o n t i n u e d on y o u r bond? 14 A Yes. 15 Q And i s th e re 16 g u ilty to th a t 17 h a l f o f d e la y b e fo re y o u 'r e - I'm have you been c o n t i n u e d on y o u r bond? not in c a rc e ra te d . fre e ? . 18 A No. 19 Q So t h e a n y th in g about th e re q u ire s re a s o n f o r th e re case t h a t y o u 'v e p l e d t o be a lm o s t a y e a r and a s e n te n c e d ? th e d e la y in th e s e n te n c in g i s f o r you t o co o p era te ? 20 21 A I 22 Q I'll d o n ' t know. d i r e c t your a t t e n t io n 23 s p e c ific a lly 24 th e re , 25 857 g o in g t o p o i n t to s u b p a r a g r a p h C and I ' m r ig h t h ere, see t h a t word r i g h t r ig h t h ere. O kay. What s e n te n c e a r e you t o re c e iv e because o f

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CAMPBELL - 1 your p le a o f g u i l t y CROSS DURR 858 and y o u r c o o p e r a t io n ? 2 A Says t h e minimum s e n t e n c e . 3 Q And Judge Lozano w e n t t h r o u g h t h a t w i t h you so t h a t you — 4 make s u re you u n d e r s t o o d t h a t , 5 A Yes, 6 Q Is is th a t c o rre c t? s ir . th e re anyw here i n th is where you — where i f you r e c a l l 7 where you w ere p ro m is e d im m u n ity fro m b e in g p r o s e c u t e d i n 8 th is case, t h e case? 9 A No, 10 Q But in 11 A No, 12 Q You w e re n e v e r c h a r g e d , 13 A Yes, 14 Q Y o u ' r e n o t g o in g t o be c h a r g e d , 15 A Yes, 16 Q Y o u 're 17 A No, 18 Q Y o u 'v e g o t a c o m p le te w a lk 19 20 s ir. f a c t you w ere n e v e r c h a r g e d , I'v e th a t c o rre c t? n o t been c h a rg e d y e t . is th a t c o rre c t? s ir. a r e you? s ir . g o in g t o be c h a rg e d i n not in th is th is case? th is case as p a r t o f y o u r case. in a g re e m e n t t h e r e ? A A c o m p le te w a lk ? 21 THE COURT; 22 THE WITNESS; 23 THE COURT; 24 th e a tto r n e y to 25 is n 't Do you u n d e r s t a n d , No, If I d o n 't. you d o n ' t u n d e r s t a n d t h e q u e s t i o n , rep h rase THE WITNESS; ma'am? it and he w i l l . ask

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CAMPBELL - 1 A 2 Q Yes, rephraset h a t , p le a s e . T h e r e w ere a number o f p e o p le c h a rg e d i n 3 c a s e ,i n 4 to d a y o t h e r w o rd s , t h e case t h a t w e ' r e and t h a t y o u ' r e yes, a w itn e s s 5 A Oh, 6 Q And y o u ' r e 7 A No. 8 Q You w ere n e v e r c h a rg e d i n 9 A No, 10 Q A 13 Q n o t one o f rig h t here is th a t c o rre c t? th o s e p e o p l e , th is a r e you? case? I w a s n 't. And t h a t ' s any o f y o u r c o n d u c t w i t h p a r t o f t h e a g re e m e n t w i t h Lee t h e G o v e rn m e n t, is n 't it? 15 A I 16 Q They a g r e e d 17 A No, I w a s n ' t 18 guess. I d o n ' t know. had l e f t Q okay. no t to I'm is g o in g t o 21 your a t t e n t io n t o page 1 8 , MR. BELLA: 23 THE WITNESS: it th ey fo r th e T i t l e I I I ask you i s ta p e s . I E x h ib it 1 came i n . show you D e f e n d a n t D u r r ' s th e a p p l ic a t io n 22 Yes, I w a s n ' t on any o f t h e Lee o v e r two y e a r s b e f o r e w h ic h A c h a rg e you? i n when — 20 25 try in g No. 14 24 p a rtic u la r Edwards? 12 19 in , th is s ir. You w ere n e v e r c h a rg e d f o r 11 859 CROSS DURR w ire ta p . D ire c t t h a t y o u r name? Your H o n o r. is . THE COURT: Just a m in u te , c o u n s e l. Is th is e x h ib it

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CAMPBELL - 1 i n e v id e n c e ? 2 MR. Mc Gr a t h : 3 THE COURT: 4 e x h ib it 5 it fo r 6 7 if it No, C o u n s e l, is is n o t. p l e a s e do n o t use i t n o t i n e v id e n c e u n le s s y o u ' r e re fre s h in g Q as an g o in g t o use re c o lle c tio n . in v e s tig a tio n A No. 10 Q As f a r 11 A F a r as I 12 Q Yes? 13 A No, 14 I o r n o t? as you know, you d i d , know I d id n 't. about i t , Q . So you d o n ' t know w h e t h e r you a p p e a r as p a r t o f t h e 9 is th a t a h a lf to 17 c o rre c t? c o rre c t? d id ? No one e v e r , you know, t o l d me a n y t h i n g you know. B u t y e t t h e y d e la y e d y o u r s e n t e n c in g 16 s e c u re y o u r p a r t i c i p a t i o n 18 A I 19 Q What a r e you r e q u i r e d fo r in a lm o s t a y e a r and th is case, is th a t guess. t o do i n te rm s o f y o u r t e s t i m o n y ; are you r e q u i r e d t o be t r u t h f u l ? 20 21 A Yes, 22 Q Is 23 A Yes, 24 Q Do you know? 25 it MR. MCGRATH: 8 15 860 CROSS DURR s ir. th a t in c lu d e d in th e re ? s ir . And who d e f i n e s w h a t — w h a t's c o o p e ra tiv e , tru th fu l.

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CAMPBELL 1 fu ll, 2 you, co m p le te does i t 3 I 'll 4 fo u r, 5 and I ' m 6 "I 7 s h a ll d ir e c t your g o in g to to 9 Q So i t ' s 11 co operateor n o t. 12 n o t, 13 c o o p e ra tiv e , 15 Q 16 17 A 18 Q read it the to by to you. nature by th e p a r a g r a p h H on page w o u l d be t h e fifth sentence You r e a d a l o n g w i t h o f my c o o p e r a t i o n U n ite d down me. h e re in S ta tes A tto rn e y ? " n o t n e c e s s a r ily whether what A p a rtic ip a tio n s ir. 10 14 and t r u t h a tte n tio n you — th a t be d e f i n e d Yes, 861 DURR say? understand A CROSS and c o o p e r a t i v e and p o i n t 8 - they it's say. He d e f i n e s it's your is n 't you, th a t if w h a t he rig h t u n tru e , co o p e ra tio n , D o e s n 't m a tte r w h a t he t e l l s tru e , there w h e th e r you you t o l d d e fin e s in it's the tru th or as b e i n g your p le a agreem ent? Yes, s i r . And d i d n ' t the about and y o u s a i d th a t J u d g e go t h r o u g h th a t w ith y o u and a s k y o u you u n d e rs to o d ? Yes. I want to ask you t o 19 I w hich is 20 at the tim e 21 th a t's 22 the 23 p le a at n a tu re , the to p of g o in g tu rn to e xte n t page and l o o k o f page f i v e . s e n te n c in g , a d v is e the the it's D o e s n 't the U n ite d Is n 't th a t subparagraph th a t c a ll c o o p e ra tio n , a p a rt of agreem ent? 24 A Yes, I 25 Q And l o o k i n g a t guess so. s u b p a r a g r a p h K. "As a p a r t th a t S ta tes A tto rn e y C ourt about your and v a l u e . at of th is th is to

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CAMPBELL - 1 a g r e e m e n t, 2 seek t o d e f e r my s e n t e n c in g u n t i l 3 c o o p e ra tio n 4 I u n d e r s t a n d th e U n i t e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y w i l l is So t h e y d e c id e when y o u ' r e you t o l d 6 w h e t h e r y o u 'v e been t r u t h f u l . 7 th a t c o rre c t? 8 is n 't A — w h e th e r y o u 'v e T h a t's 11 MR. MCGRATH: 13 A 14 Q 15 T h a t's Yes, th e C o u n s e l, c o o p erated or n o t, It's t h e y d e c id e what th e y t e l l la n g u a g e o f y o u r p l e a you, is ag re em e n t, one q u e s t i o n a t a t i m e , la n g u a g e o f y o u r p l e a a g r e e m e n t , is n 't p le a s e . it? s ir. So y o u ' r e g o in g t o make s u re you make th o s e guys h a p p y , a r e n ' t you? 16 A No, 17 Q Y o u 're n o t lo o k in g o u t f o r 18 A 19 20 t h e y d e c id e w h e t h e r Yes. THE COURT: Q th e do n e , it? 10 12 such t im e as my c o m p le t e ." 5 9 862 CROSS DURR I'm W e ll, j u s t g o in g t o I guess — te ll th e t r u t h . y o u rs e lf by t e l l i n g th e in tru th , th is I'm case? ju s t te llin g th e tru th . Q 21 Y o u 're ju s t — a r e you — d i d you use d ru g s y o u r s e l f by t h e way? 22 A Yes, I 23 Q When d i d you s t o p u s in g drug s? 24 A About a y e a r or 25 Q Was i t used t o . so ago. b e fo re or a f t e r you e n t e r e d y o u r p l e a of g u ilty in

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CAMPBELL - 1 2 th is A 3 4 Q 5 o t h e r case? B e fo re . Because I to d ro p , drop . So you have — 6 A U rin e — 7 Q Serum s a m p le , 8 A Yes. 9 Q And i f it's came o v e r and my p r o b a t i o n o f f i c e r t h a t means t h a t you g i v e e it h e r u rin e — c o n ta in s 10 p r e s c r i b e d t o y o u , you 11 fr e e d o m , A 13 Q 14 A Yes, got o r b lo o d ? c o n tro lle d go a — s u b s ta n c e s t h a t a r e n ' t — y o u 'r e g o in g t o lo s e your a r e n ' t you? s ir . And you s to p p e d u s in g because o f t h a t ? Yes, s ir. 15 MR. McGRATH: 16 THE COURT; 17 MR. JACKSON: 18 I have n o t h i n g fu rth e r. Judge. C ro ss E dw ards. Thank y o u . Your H o n o r. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. JACKSON: 19 20 Q 21 A Yes, 22 Q You t a k e an y m e d i c a t i o n to d a y ? 23 A 24 25 I when you say you make a d ro p t o t h e p ro b a tio n o f f i c e r , 12 863 CROSS EDWARDS Q M is s C a m p b e ll, yOu s t a t e d you have a c o l d , is th a t c o rre c t? s ir . Yes, I th is m o r n in g . O kay. t o o k an a n t i b i o t i c and a T y l e n o l b e f o r e These w ere p r e s c r i b e d by ad o c t o r ? I le ft home

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CAMPBELL - 1 A Yes, 2 Q Is 3 A What? 4 Q A re t h e y c a u s in g you any p ro b le m s to d a y ? 5 A No, n o t r e a l l y . 6 Q Y o u 're 7 A Yes, 8 Q B e f o r e you t e s t i f i e d 9 11 s ir. it c a u s in g you any p ro b le m s to d a y ? th in k in g p r e t t y c le a r? s ir . te s tim o n y to d a y . 10 864 CROSS EDWARDS you d i d n ' t ta lk t o anybody a b o u t y o u r A re you, s u re you d i d n ' t ta lk t o M r. B e lla ? A Just — you know, he j u s t t o l d me w h at he was g o in g — 12 m o s t l y w h a t he was g o in g t o ask me. 13 was a l l . 14 Q O kay. 15 A Loud and c l e a r l y , 16 Q When d i d you s t a r t u s in g drugs? 17 A L ik e 18 Q Up u n t i l when? 19 A Up u n t i l 20 Q What t y p e s o f d ru g s d i d you use? 21 A N o t h in g b u t h e r o i n . 22 Q And how o f t e n w o u ld you use h e r o in ? 23 A A t one p o i n t 24 Q How much a da y w o u ld you use? 25 A Maybe 2 0 , Were you i n s t r u c t e d in '8 0 — '8 0 — it $30. th a t's about to on how t o answ er q u e s t io n s ? a ll. '8 3 , '9 0 , O th er th a n t h a t , '8 4 , s o m e th in g l i k e about 90, was e v e r y d a y . th a t. '9 1 . Then I s to p p ed . and th a t

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q A day? 2 A U h -h u h . 3 Q Now, u n d e r t h e 4 w ith 5 p o s s ib le te rm s o f t h e p l e a a g re e m e n t y o u 'v e been i n t o t h e G o ve rn m e n t, th in k A I 7 Q Has y o u r a t t o r n e y if it you c o o p e r a t e A No. 10 Q But i t ' s 11 A Yes, 12 Q And t h a t ' s 13 A I 14 Q Do you know i f 15 A No, 16 Q Do you know i f in d ic a te d t o you w h at y o u ' r e fu lly ? supposed t o be t h e minimum, I le s s so, th an f o u r , is n 't yes. you q u a l i f y f o r p ro b a tio n ? d o n 't. t h e G o v e r n m e n t's g o in g t o A N o, I 19 Q Now, when d i d y o u r in v o lv e m e n t i n 20 A I was l i k e It 23 A Yes, 25 remember t h e e x a c t d a t e '8 9 was b e f o r e it Q o r s o m e th in g . 1990, w a s n 't was way b e f o r e years b e fo re 24 file an y m o t io n s range? do n o t . d o n 't Q th a t c o rre c t? it? s e n t e n c e you b e lo w t h e g u i d e l i n e 22 is s ir. 18 21 lo o k in g a t , th in k to to ? was f o u r y e a r s . 9 17 do you remember w h at t h e maximum s e n te n c e was u n d e r t h e o f f e n s e you p l e d g u i l t y 6 8 865 CROSS EDWARDS I'm th is m a t t e r end? or a n y th in g , but I th in k n o t s u re e x a c t l y . it? '9 0 because Lee had g o t a r r e s t e d i was gone l i k e two or a n y th in g . You h a v e n ' t had any in v o lv e m e n t w i t h him p r i o r — or — it

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CAMPBELL - 1 A No. 2 Q — 3 A No. 4 Q D id M r . 5 A No, 6 Q He e v e r w i t h h o l d 7 A No. 8 Q D id you e v e r f i l e 9 a fte r Edwards e v e r is s u e you a pay check? s ir. ta x e s ? a ta x A No. 11 Q From M r . 12 A No, 13 Q D id y o u r a t t o r n e y t a l k . g u id e lin e s A No, 16 Q You a r e re c e iv e d ? Edwards? s ir. 15 r e t u r n on any o f t h e m onies o r any t h a t you w o u ld have a l l e g e d l y 10 t o you a b o u t how t h e s e n te n c in g a f f e c t y o u r case? not r e a lly . to — a r e you t o be s e n te n c e d u n d e r t h e s e n te n c in g g u id e lin e s ? 17 18 A Yes, 19 Q D id y o u r a t t o r n e y d i s c u s s w i t h you t h e s ir. c rim in a l h is to r y c a teg o ry? 20 21 A If 22 Q Would you be c a l l e d 23 866 t h a t d a te ? o f th e p r o f i t s 14 CROSS EDWARDS he d i d I c a n 't re c a ll r i g h t now. a number two o f c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y categ o ry? 24 If 25 memory, y o u ' r e u s in g y o u r p l e a a g re e m e n t t o I d o n 't th in k y o u 're g o in g t o fin d r e fr e s h your th a t in fo rm a tio n

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CAMPBELL - 1 2 in A th e re ? oh, I t h o u g h t you meant number two on h e r e , Q W ith r e s p e c t to th e c rim in a l h is to r y remember y o u r a t t o r n e y 5 6 A I 7 Q C rim in a l h is t o r y 8 A My c r i m i n a l h i s t o r y ? 9 A T h a t's 10 A I ta lk in g d o n ' t u n d e r s t a n d w h at y o u ' r e c o rre c t? c a te g o ry , do you t o you a b o u t t h a t ? s ta tin g . „ d i d n ' t have o n e . MR. JACKSON: 12 THE COURT: I have no f u r t h e r q u e s tio n s . Your H o n o r . R e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 13 14 Q O th e r th a n t h i s 16 g u ilty , 17 c o n v ic tio n s ? case and t h i s p l e a a g re e m e n t w h ere you p l e d G w en dolyn , you d o n ' t have any o t h e r c r i m i n a l 18 A No, 19 Q You t a l k e d about your p ro b a tio n o f f i c e r 20 c o n d itio n s o f bo nd. 21 d ro p s ? s ir. 22 A Yes, 23 Q And i s A I Does t h a t and p a r t o f y o u r i n c l u d e m aking t h e s e u r i n e s ir. it your u n d e rs ta n d in g t h a t ' s r e l e a s e d on bond? 24 25 what I c a teg o ry? 11 15 th a t's th o u g h t. 3 4 867 REDIRECT th o u g h t so, s ir. a r e g u l a r p a r t o f b e in g

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q 2 And i s it d ro p s i s your u n d e rs ta n d in g th e to A Y e s ,s ir. 4 Q And w h e t h e r you can s t i l l 5 A 6 Q 7 868 reason f o r th e s e u r in e see w h e th e r o r n o t y o u ' r e u s in g dru g s? 3 Yes, REDIRECT be r e l e a s e d on bond? s ir. Now, th is w a s n 't o t h e r case t h a t you p l e d g u i l t y re la te d 8 A No. 9 Q When t h i s to yourd e a lin g s w ith to , o t h e r case was w orked o u t , d id t h i s Lee E dw ards, was t h a t p a r t o f t h e d i s c u s s i o n s 1 1 — A 13 Q 14 No, no. w o rk e d w i t h on t h i s A Yes, 16 Q And M r. 18 to 19 b o tto m o f t h e page? 21 Q S. A t t o r n e y t h a t you case? M c G ra th a s k e d you a b o u t t h i s p l e a a g re e m e n t A i n w o r k in g up s ir. 17 20 ca se a g a i n s t . And t h a t was a d i f f e r e n t A s s i s t a n t u . 15 th a t Lee Edwards? 10 12 you s a i d read to and he p a r a g r a p h 9H o f t h i s re a d one s e n te n c e fro m i t . you t h e w h o le p a r a g r a p h . I'd lik e On page f o u r a t t h e Yes. T h a t w h o le p a r a g r a p h 9H, 22 a g re e m e n t,I agree 23 c a n d id ly w it h th e 24 re p re s e n ta tiv e s 25 v io la tio n d o e s n 't to c o o p era te U n ite d it say, fu lly , "As p a r t o f t h i s tru th fu lly S ta te s A tto rn e y or h is as t o my know ledge o f o r o f f e d e r a l or s ta te la w . I and d e s ig n a te d in v o l v e m e n t u n d e rs ta n d t h a t in any th e

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CAMPBELL - REDIRECT 869 1 n a tu re 2 U n ite d S ta te s A tto r n e y . 3 r e q u e s t e d t o do so, 4 b e f o r e any Grand J u r y a n d / o r a t any f u t u r e 5 tria ls ." o f my c o o p e r a t i o n h e r e i n Is In th is to t e s t i f y t h a t th e fu ll s h a l l be d e f i n e d by t h e reg ard I fu rth e r tru th fu lly agree if and c o m p l e t e l y c rim in a l p a r a g r a p h 9H? 6 A Yes, 7 Q Does anyone o r has anyone fro m t h e U n i t e d S t a t e s A t t o r n e y ' s 8 s ir . O ffic e te ll you w h at t o 9 A No, 10 Q Has anyone t o l d y o u , 11 say when you t e s t i f y ? s ir. te s tify . th is is th e tru th , th is i s what y o u ' l l to ? 12 A No. 13 Q You a l r e a d y t e s t i f i e d . th a t th is was a s e p a r a t e 14 d i f f e r e n t A s s i s t a n t U. 15 w a s n ' t d i s c u s s e d when you w o rked o u t t h a t p l e a 16 When was t h e 17 te s tify in g firs t in th is t im e I th e o th e r A L a s t week. 19 Q D id I 20 A No, c a se a g reem en t. t a l k e d w i t h you a b o u t p o s s i b l y 21 Q D id I 22 A Yes, 23 Q And have you done t h a t ? 24 A Yes, s ir. 25 Q Now, as f a r you w h a t I w a n te d you t o say i n th is case? s ir. te ll you t o a tr ia l? 18 ever t e l l S. A t t o r n e y and t h a t c a se w i t h te ll th e tru th ? s ir. as t h e money t h a t you w o u ld g e t f o r s e llin g

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CAMPBELL - 1 2 d ru g s f o r Lee Edw ards, A 3 4 p a c k ag e t h a t I Q 5 6 D e d u c te d o u t o f — So f o r RECROSS DURR how w o uld you g e t y o u r money? when we f i n i s h e d , A W e ll, you s o ld a packag e I w o u ld a lw a y s have l i k e 8 package, 9 g iv e th e fo r $10, w h a t w o u ld th a t, 50 o r 100 p a c k a g e s o r and t h e n when I fin is h e d I w o u ld t a k e o u t my $2 and t h e t o h im . MR. BELLA: O kay. 1 1 THE COURT: R e c ro s s D a v i s . 12 MR. TR U ITT: 13 THE COURT; 14 o ff t h e w h o le rest of i t I w o u ld . 10 Thank y o u , N o th in g , I have n o t h i n g fu rth e r. Your H o n o r. R e c ro s s D u r r . RECROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. MCGRATH: 15 Q 17 U nder t h i s te s tifie d o t h e r cause number t h a t you p l e d a g a in s t c o -d e fe n d a n ts 18 A No, s ir. 19 Q A re th e re 20 A We h a v e n ' t e v en — 21 any c o - d e f e n d a n t s a n y th in g l i k e Q W e ll, is th e re I a n y th in g l e f t 24 a n y th in g l e f t I'm le ft t h a t on t h e o t h e r w h o 's t h e A s s i s t a n t U. A in to , ha v e you t h a t case? t o be t e s t i f i e d a g a in s t? h a v e n ' t been t o c o u r t and d i s c u s s e d 23 25 fin is h e d you do? s o m e th in g l i k e 22 when I had. exam ple i f 7 16 870 t o be d o n e , has M ik e T h i l l S. A t t o r n e y on t h i s t o be d o n e , supposed t o go f o r case. it's case, is th e re been o v e r a y e a r and a h a l f ? s e n t e n c i n g on May 1 9 .

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CAMPBELL - 1 Q When was t h e l a s t — a n y th in g 2 in th is you n e v e r were c a l l e d case, 3 A No. 4 Q B u t you s t i l l w e r e n 't in is 5 th is case, 6 A Yes, 7 Q Now, d i r e c t i n g M r. B e l la 9 tru th th a t c o rre c t? s e n te n c e d u n t i l — - read, your a t t e n t io n it tru th fu lly A Yes, 11 Q And t o do so e i t h e r c a lls f o r you t o and c a n d i d l y , is n 't b e fo re A Yes, 14 Q B u t t h e p e r s o n who d e f i n e s , what i s 16 is n 't t o be th a t c o rre c t? t h e Grand J u r y o r any c r i r a i n a l fu ll who d e c id e s w h a t i s and c a n d id c o o p e r a t i o n is t h e U. tru th fu l. S. A t t o r n e y , it? s ir. 18 MR. BELLA: Your H o n o r, 19 THE COURT: S u s ta in e d . 20 MR. MCGRATH: Q is n 't fu lly , s ir . 15 21 c o o p era te th a t c o rre c t? 13 Yes, a g a in t o p a r a g r a p h 9H w h ic h s ir . tria l, A a f t e r you t e s t i f i e d th a t c o rre c t? 10 17 on t o do s ir . 8 12 is 871 RECROSS DURR T h at p arag rap h c o n ta in s th is I'll o b je c t to s e n te n c e , th a t. " I u n d e rs ta n d t h a t 22 t h e n a t u r e o f ray c o o p e r a t i o n h e r e i n s h a l l be d e f i n e d by t h e 23 U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y ," c o rre c t? 24 25 A Yes, is n 't th a t s ir. MR. MCGRATH: N o t h in g f u r t h e r .

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CAMPBELL - 1 THE COURT: 2 MR. JACKSON: R e c ro s s Edw ards. 4 Q Your H o n o r. M is s C a m p b e ll, your c o o p e ra tio n to d a y , is t h a t g o in g t o h e l p you i n y o u r s e n t e n c in g ? 6 7 A I 8 Q Have you t a l k e d 9 A No. d o n ' t know. It's up t o them I guess. t o y o u r a t t o r n e y a b o u t to d a y ? He j u s t t o l d me t o come o u t and c o o p e r a t e , and be as t r u t h f u l 10 11 MR. JACKSON: 12 THE COURT: as I O kay. p o s s ib ly you know, can. No f u r t h e r q u e s tio n s . Y our H o n o r . R e - r e d i r e c t G o ve rn m e n t. FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BELLA: 13 14 15 Thank y o u . RECROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. JACKSON: 3 5 872 REDIRECT Q It'S your u n d e rs ta n d in g . 16 paragrap h, 17 A tto rn e y w i l l 18 your u n d e rs ta n d in g t h a t 19 te ll 20 A No. 21 Q Is it M is s C a m p b e ll, t h a t when t h a t t h a t p a r t o f t h a t paragraph says, d e fin e you w h a t t o th e n a tu re "The U . o f my c o o p e r a t i o n , " t h a t means t h e U. w ill te ll 23 in te rv ie w e d ? s ir, it say? you when t h e y w a n t you t o I is S. A t t o r n e y w i l l y o u r u n d e r s t a n d i n g t h a t t h a t means t h e U. 22 S. 24 A Yes, 25 Q B u t when you do t e s t i f y , te s tify S. A t t o r n e y o r be guess s o . not to te ll you w h a t t o say?

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873 1 No, th e y d i d n 't te ll me a n y t h i n g t o 2 MR. BELLA: Thank y o u , 3 THE COURT: R e -re c ro s s D a v is . 4 MR. TR U ITT: 5 THE COURT: 6 MR. McGRATH: I N o th in g , so rry, 8 b reak 9 d o w n s t a i r s and — case I 11 MR. JACKSON: 12 THE COURT: Is 15 MR. BELLA: th a t 17 if B ut I a fte r — I'm th e lu n c h Your H o n o r. you may s t e p down r i g h t now; n o t g o in g t o re le a s e you. she u n d e r subpoena? I b e lie v e she has a d o c t o r ' s so. Your H o n o r. a p p o in t m e n t a t noon, A ls o I I know d o n ' t know th a t — 19 THE WITNESS: 20 THE COURT: 21 THE WITNESS: 22 THE COURT: 25 Your H o n o r. g i v e s me an o p p o r t u n i t y t o go N o th in g , M a'am , THE COURT: 24 Your H o n o r. R e - r e c r o s s E dw ards. 18 23 have. » th e C o u rt i s 14 16 N o th in g , have — THE COURT: how ever, I ask t h a t she be r e t a i n e d u n t i l 10 13 a ll R e -re c ro s s D u rr. 7 in th a t's say. What t im e is your d o c to r's T w e lv e o ' c l o c k . And where i s th a t a t, w h at c i t y ? In G ary. I n Gary? c o u n s e l. (Bench d i s c u s s i o n on t h e MR. McGRATH: a p p o in t m e n t ? What I ' m d o w n s t a i r s and see i f g o in g d o , th e r e 's a n y th in g re c o rd .) Judge, le ft is go t o be done on

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874 1 th a t o th e r case and she may n o t have t o come b a c k . 2 no o b j e c t i o n 3 I 4 to m o rro w m o rn in g i f 5 th a t th e re t o h e r b e in g re le a s e d have she knows t h a t — if can have a way t o c o n t a c t h e r t o have h e r come back in f a c t th e re ^ s a n y th in g . I d o n ' t know is . (End o f d i s c u s s i o n a t t h e b e n c h . ) 6 THE COURT: 7 M a'am , I am n o t g o in g t o 8 g o in g t o ask t h a t you s t a y i n 9 and g i v e t h e y need you t o come b a c k , 11 w ill 12 do you u n d e r s ta n d ? o r d e r t h a t you r e t u r n 13 THE WITNESS: 14 THE COURT: 15 MR. MCGRATH: 16 THE COURT: w a it out in Yes, Is t h a t you w i l l in re le a s e c o n ta c t w it h d efe n s e them a t e le p h o n e number where i n 10 17 if I you, I'm counsel th e e v e n t t h a t come back and I th e e v e n t t h a t t h e y need y o u , s ir. th a t s a tis fa c to ry , c o u n s e l? Yes. You may s t e p down, m a'am . th e h a llw a y f o r Why d o n ' t you a few m in u t e s . (The w i t n e s s was e x c u s e d . ) 18 L a d i e s and g e n t le m e n , 19 it's is 20 tw e lv e , I 21 lu n c h . Remember t h e a d m o n it io n 22 b e fo re ; do n o t d i s c u s s 23 p e r m i t anyone t o d i s c u s s 24 It 25 case u n t i l is th in k it an e x c e l l e n t your d u ty n o t to it is now one m in u t e a f t e r th is it t im e th a t f o r us t o b r e a k fo r t h e C o u r t gave you case among y o u r s e l v e s , w i t h you o r do n o t in your p resen ce. fo rm o r e x p r e s s any o p i n i o n on t h i s fin a lly s u b m it t e d t o y o u . W ith t h a t .

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875 1 w e 'll 2 fo llo w break fo r p l e a s e be back by 1 : 3 5 . You may th e M arsh al u p s t a i r s . 3 (The j u r y were e s c o r t e d fro m t h e c o u r t r o o m , and t h e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d , r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 4 5 lu n c h , - THE COURT: 6 q u e s tio n in g 7 th e n a tu re 8 of th e ir 9 n o t. 10 You may be s e a t e d . M r. M c G r a th , your re g a rd in g th e U n ite d S ta te s A t t o r n e y d e f i n i n g o f c o o p e ra tio n I d o n 't th in k d e c i d i n g when somebody i s That is When I my u l t i m a t e s e n te n c e , goes t o th e le v e l s p e a k in g t r u t h f u l l y or d e c is io n . I w ill make t h a t d e t e r m i n a t i o n 11 b e c a u s e i n d o in g t h a t , 12 account to b e n e f it or no t to b e n e f it th e w itn e s s . 13 w h e t h e r t h e Governm ent t e l l s t h a t p e r s o n has been 14 tru th fu l 15 n o t go w i t h 16 d e f e n d a n t i n my c o u r t . 17 M o o d y 's C o u r t , 18 th a t 19 it or n o t, is I d e c id e w h e t h e r t o t a k e I make t h e me t h a t fin a l t h e G o v e rn m e n t. Assuming t h a t O b v i o u s ly i f t h e G o v e r n m e n t's c a l l b e lie v e I a lw a y s t r y c o n fin e m y s e lf to th a t — 21 o f t h e p l e a a g re e m e n t w h ic h c a l l s 22 d e fin e 23 c o o p e ra tio n . 25 to th e C o u rt th e n a tu re M r. may o r I she i s my — But I d o n 't W e ll, M c G r a th , I may th e th in k I hope I th e fo r — I s p e c ific mean, t h e G o vernm ent t o and e x t e n t o f h e r t h i n k w h at t h a t p a r a g r a p h and we can p u l l it if I la n g u a g e And t h e mere — THE COURT: a b o u t, to And on t h a t . MR. McGRATH: w ill I in to s h e 's u n d e r Judge t h a t w o u ld be u n d e r h i s . 20 24 d e c is io n . th a t you w a n t . ta lk s And

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876 1 when I 2 th a t 3 Governm ent i s 4 when. 5 go th r o u g h i t in d e fin in g w ith th e d e fe n d a n ts , th e n a tu r e , g o in g t o MR. McGRATH: m e r e ly g o in g th r o u g h t h e Judge, 7 damn i m p o r t a n t p a r t o f w h e th e r — 8 w a n t t o make h a p p y . THE COURT: c le a rly W e ll, 10 e x te n t t h a t th e y are 11 te ll 12 w e re l i e s 13 Th ey can t e l l 14 s a id me i f th e me t h a t tru th and I MR. McGRATH: 16 THE COURT: MR. BELLA: 19 MR. TR U ITT: 20 THE COURT: but I it a person th e y goes t o t h e O b v i o u s ly t h a t t h e y can own k n o w ledge w h e t h e r t h e r e make t h e u l t i m a t e somebody has s a i d t h e make t h a t u l t i m a t e d e c is io n . tru th or not d e c is io n . A n y t h in g c o u n s e l w a n t t o a d d r e s s fo r th e C o u rt lu n c h ? No. N o th in g . G e n tle m e n , 21 back h e r e by 1 : 3 0 , 22 M r. 23 ca se i n B e lla , la n g u a g e , No q u e s t i o n . a b o u t b e f o r e we b r e a k 18 who t h e y — d o n ' t know i f im p o rta n t. or m is tru th s , and seems t o make t h e G overnm ent a t h e y know o f t h e i r 15 17 I them t h a t t h a t means w h a t t h e 6 9 a d v is e r e q u e s t o f them , w h at a r e a , I'm because i t I I w o uld l i k e t o have you a l l h o p e f u l l y we can g e t s t a r t e d on t i m e . how much more t im e a r e you g o in g t o need on y o u r c h ie f? 24 MR. BELLA: We a r e — 25 THE COURT; Assum ing we s t a r t a t 1 :3 5 . '

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877 MR. BELLA: 1 2 H o n o r; 3 I 4 th a t's 5 th re e th in k a fte r 10 lo n g . 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in d ic a te d s till is fin is h by mid a f t e r n o o n l a s t week f i n i s h i n g p o s s ib le . o 'c lo c k th is r u n n in g a p p r o x i m a t e l y on t i m e . in te n d to W e ll, I th in k . about 2 :3 0 , a c t u a l l y we s t a r t a t Your I th in k 1 :3 5 a more r e a s o n a b le tim e . We w e n t o v e r f i v e m in u t e s and you w e n t so an hour? MR. BELLA: 9 12 I over a h a lf 8 11 s till THE COURT: 6 7 I W e 'r e W e ll, w itn e s s 's THE COURT: M r. I had in t e n d e d g e t some t a p e s te s tim o n y . B e lla , th e re I d o n 't th in k is it a f o l d e r here in w ill ta k e fr o m James D a v i s . MR. BELLA: Yes. ( A t 1 2 : 0 8 p .m . t h e t r i a l was r e c e s s e d , t o re c o n v e n e a t 1 : 3 5 p .m . i n t h e a f t e r n o o n o f t h e same d a y . )

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IN THE UNITED STATES D IS TR IC T COURT NORTHERN D IS T R IC T OF INDIANA HAMMOND D IV IS IO N UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, P la in tiff, NO. HCR 9 2 - 1 1 3 vs. LEE ANDREW EDWARDS, JAMES D A VIS, a / k / a James J e ffe r ie s , a /k /a L it t le Jam es, and LYNETTA P. DURR D efe n d a n ts . T r i a l i n t h e above e n t i t l e d cause was re c o n v e n e d b e f o r e t h e HONORABLE RUDY LOZANO, Judge o f s a i d C o u r t , and a j u r y , a t t h e F e d e r a l B u i l d i n g , 507 S t a t e S t r e e t , Hammond, I n d i a n a , on t h e 1 5 t h day o f M a rc h , 1 9 9 3 , commencing a t t h e h o u r o f 1 : 5 0 p .m . APPEARANCES: MR. DANIEL L . BELLA, A s s is ta n t U n ite d S ta te s A tto r n e y , 1001 M a in S t r e e t , S u i t e A, D y e r , I n d i a n a 46311 on b e h a l f o f t h e G o ve rn m e n t; DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

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APPEARANCES ( C o n t ' d ) MR. BENJAMIN S. JACKSON, 442 N o r t h C a lu m e t , S u i t e 2 0 0 , C h e s t e r t o n , I n d i a n a 46304 on b e h a l f o f d e f e n d a n t Lee Andrew E d w ard s ; MR. ROBERT TR U ITT, 55 Sou th F r a n k l i n S t r e e t , V a lp a r a is o , In d ia n a 46383, on b e h a l f o f d e f e n d a n t James D a v i s ; MR. JOHN MCGRATH, 1108 W est 1 3 3 r d A ve n u e , C edar L a k e , I n d i a n a 4 6 3 0 3 , on b e h a l f o f d e f e n d a n t L y n e t t a P. D u rr; D e f e n d a n t s P r e s e n t i n P e rso n DANIEL J . SULLIVAN O F F IC IA L COURT REPORTER - U. S. D IS T R IC T COURT 507 STATE STREET, HAMMOND, INDIANA 46320

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880 1 ( C o u r t re c o n v e n e d a t 1 : 5 0 p .m . w i t h o u t t h e j u r y p r e s e n t i n open c o u r t . ) 2 3 THE COURT: 4 o f th e 5 b o th b a s i c a l l y 6 Lozano, 7 3 -1 6 -9 3 ? 8 been t r y i n g 9 th is 10 11 12 13 C o u n s e l, ju ro rs . is w ill it I R e a lly th e have to g e t t h is And I The o t h e r n o te 3 -1 6 , The n o te fro m one but th e y are says. Judge f o r me t o be e x cu se d fro m j u r y d u t y have an i n t e r v i e w be my f i n a l r e c e i v e d a n o te r e c e i v e d two n o t e s , same t h i n g . p o s s ib le Deanna W h i t e . Tuesday, I I — fo r a j o b to m o rro w . to g et i t in te rv ie w . th in k says, s h e 's fo r Thank y o u , M rs. Deanna o r j u r o r number 1 1 . "Deanna W h it e has j o b in te rv ie w some t y p e o f q u e s t i o n . " My p r o p o s a l i s t o have h e r come down, we can t a l k h e r by y o u r s e l f w i t h o u t t h e p r e s e n c e o f t h e o t h e r 15 and t h e n make a d e c i s i o n . Any o b j e c t i o n 16 MR. TR U ITT: 17 MR. McGRATH: No o b j e c t i o n . 18 MR. JACKSON: No o b j e c t i o n . 19 MR. BELLA: No o b j e c t i o n . 20 THE COURT: Would you ask M is s w h i t e No o b j e c t i o n . to ju ro rs , to t h a t pro ced u re? Your H o n o r. to come down, p le a s e . 22 C o u n s e l, 23 MR. TR U ITT: No. 24 MR. JACKSON: No, 25 have two months and 14 21 I do you w a nt t o lo o k a t t h e n o te s ? Your H o n o r. (The j u r o r was e s c o r t e d i n t o t h e c o u r t r o o m , and t h e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d in g s w e re h a d .

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881 r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 1 THE COURT; 2 you s e n t me a n o t e a few moments ago r e g a r d i n g a jo b i n t e r v i e w 3 JUROR WHITE: 4 5 M rs . W h i t e , Q When was t h a t Yes. jo b — l e t me back up because I remember some o f y o u r a n s w e r s . 6 I A Yes, 8 Q Where a r e you em ployed r i g h t now? 9 A A t A .T .& T . 10 Q And you have a j o b i n t e r v i e w 11 A R ig h t. 12 Q Is 13 A Yes, 14 Q When was t h a t s c h e d u le d ? 15 A Tomorrow a t t h r e e . 16 Q O kay. 17 A W e ll, am. Fo r p r o m o t i o n . w i t h i n A .T .& T ? s ir. B u t when d i d t h e y make t h e — th is is n o t my f i r s t 19 Q They n o t i f i e d 20 A They j u s t n o t i f i e d jo b . 21 Q 25 in te r v ie w , it's my s e c o n d . That Okay. No, Is you a b o u t i t me. I not y e s te rd a y , th e re two weeks ago? t h i n k y e s t e r d a y t h e y c a l l e d my F rid a y . any p o s s i b i l i t y th a t it can be done Wednesday o r so? 23 24 tom orrow? was a b o u t two weeks a g o . 18 22 d o n 't A re you p r e s e n t l y em ployed? 7 it t h a t you have? A W e ll, yes. She s a i d if I come i n Wednesday a t 1 : 3 0 , c o u ld n 't get o u t, maybe I b u t I was h o p in g t h a t th e c o u ld tria l

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882 1 2 w o u ld be o v e r by t h a t t i m e , Q As I u n d e rs ta n d i t , 4 c o n c lu d e d and t h e j u r y w i l l 5 it 6 we have a l r e a d y s p e n t a week on t h e 7 I 8 reason I 'm 9 some t y p e o f a l i a b i l i t y A 11 th in k t h a t th e w h at t h e a t t o r n e y s have a d v is e d me, to m o rro w . I M is s W h i t e , 3 10 is b u t you know. W e ll, a s k in g you. W ill s h e 's n o t r e q u i r e d Q 13 A She s a i d 14 Q If tria l. it is im p o rta n t, Would she g i v e you t h e I th is in t o h o ld t h e The o t h e r le t's th is s id e th e any way p u t you b e h in d jo b f o r me, so th a t's on Wednesday? c o u ld come Wednesday a t you a r e a l l o w e d , th a t you know. in te rv ie w 1 :3 0 . assume t h a t u n d e r any c ir c u m s t a n c e s 16 W ednesday, w o u ld you be a b l e 17 t o d a y and tom orrow? Q t o make a d e c i s i o n on o r i n any d e t r i m e n t ? 15 19 p r o b a b l y be d o n ' t w a n t you t o m iss an o p p o r t u n i t y and t h a t ' s 12 A be a b l e w ill The o n l y c o n c e rn t h a t t h e C o u r t has i s why I was — 18 tria l C o u r t says i t w ill n o t keep you on to c o n tin u e s e r v i n g as a j u r o r Yes. As lo n g as I p ro m is e you t h a t I w ill a l l o w you t o be a t 20 y o u r i n t e r v i e w w i t h more t h a n s u f f i c i e n t 21 on W ednesday, w o u ld t h a t make you happy? 22 A Yes, 23 Q Okay. th a t's t im e t o be t h e r e fin e . M is s W h i t e , 24 j u s t a second, 25 a tto rn e y s , I'm okay, g o in g t o ask you t o because we may c a l l I w a nt t o ta lk you r i g h t back i n s te p o u t to fo r th e a second, okay?

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883 1 O kay. 2 THE COURT: Any comments? 3 MR. BELLA: I have no p ro b le m w i t h th e course th e 4 Judge — 5 may be t o keep h e r th r o u g h t h e c o n c l u s i o n o f t h e e v id e n c e 6 and t h r o u g h d e l i b e r a t i o n s 7 her i f 8 on W ednesday. 9 w h at t h e C o u r t p r o p o s e d , to m o rro w , THE COURT: C o u n s e l, I 1 1 your th o u g h ts . 12 fo r d e lib e ra tio n tom o rro w w h ic h i t 13 to m o rro w , th e 14 g iv e 15 o f th e a l t e r n a t e s 16 p o s itio n 17 of d e lib e ra tio n s , 18 d e lib e ra tio n s . th e it case t o t h e Some ju d g e s ju ry th e ta k e a lte rn a te s 21 t h a t because t h e y 'v e 22 o f d e lib e ra tin g . Now, th a t if th e appears in te rv ie w p r o b le m get a l l ju ro rs it it is w ill I m is s ed a l o t th is a p r o v is io n 24 d u rin g d e lib e r a t io n s 25 t h a t you can go w i t h e l e v e n . in one o f t h e When I C o u rt's s ta g e s in th e I'm b o t h e r e d by and a l o t lo o s e a t t h a t p o i n t . th e ru le s ju ro rs B ut — be th e y h o ld th e o f d is c u s s io n s c u t them a l l it e x cu se a l l are p re s e n t a t a l l them t o go u p . of j u r y g e ts fo r d e lib e ra tio n s , th e o p p o s ite v ie w , So I is jo b t h e y c a n n o t s e r v e as a j u r o r and t h e n a l l o w th e re is assume j u r y does n o t r e a c h a v e r d i c t . th a t 20 23 is , i m m e d i a t e l y because t h a t u n le s s th e r i g h t now and th e n I ' l l And t h a t and i f w ith can see one p o s s i b l e and l e t ' s e x p lo re i s w h ic h I t o be s u r e t o e x cu se d e l i b e r a t i o n s w o u ld i n t e r f e r e 10 19 th a t th a t say i f has t o be e x c u s e d , and I ' d w a n t t o know

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884 1 up f r o n t if t h e r e 's 2 th a t's 3 fro m t h e 4 in s tru c tio n s 5 to a p o s s ib le ta k e concern. in s tr u c tio n and I And l packet th a t can t e l l it's th e not try in g 8 consequences. 9 MR. BELLA: I a p p re c ia te 10 THE COURT: I th in k aw are o f a l l R u le 2 3 ( b ) . o f tw e lv e , 12 may s t i p u l a t e in w r it in g w ith 13 th a t s h a ll 14 th a t a v a lid 15 tw e lv e 16 more j u r o r s 17 Even a b s e n t such s t i p u l a t i o n , 18 n e c e s s a r y t o excu se a j u r o r fo r 19 has r e t i r e d v e rd ic t, 20 th e C ourt a v a l i d 21 e le v e n . 23 a r u le . th e v e r d i c t , it you w a n t t o MR. TR U ITT: No. s h a l l be th a n tw e lv e if o f le s s or th a n n e c e s s a r y t o e x cu se one o r th e tr ia l commences. th e C o u rt f in d s ju s t cause a f t e r in lo o k a t t h e it th e ju ry th e d i s c r e t io n o f p e o p le a r e n o t aw are o f t h a t If ju s t th e a p p ro v a l o f th e C o u rt cause a f t e r its I th e p a r t i e s v e r d i c t may be r e t u r n e d by t h e 24 25 The j u r o r s v e r d i c t may be r e t u r n e d by a j u r y to c o n s id e r g o in g th e p o s s ib le c o n s i s t o f a number l e s s s h o u ld t h e C o u r t f i n d A lo t is b u t a t any t im e b e f o r e f o r any j u s t is of it. 1 1 22 ju ry t o change a n y b o d y 's o p i n i o n , w a n t t o make s u re e v e r y b o d y i s ju ry g o in g t o be l o t case. 7 th e t h a t and you r i g h t now d o n ' t know how lo n g t h i s to d e lib e r a t e And I ' m 6 g o in g t o be a p ro b le m w i t h r u le , ru le . I'll of re m a in in g but th e re be h a pp y

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885 1 THE COURT: Comments. 2 MR. Mc Gr a t h : J u d g e, it seems t h a t we have no p r o b le m 3 w i t h h e r b e in g excu sed when i t 4 Wednesday i f 5 mean I in fa c t th e d e l i b e r a t i o n s THE COURT: 7 MR. MCGRATH: 8 a lo n g . 9 jo b in t e r v i e w . I — Y o u 'r e w i l l i n g I'll re a lly I go w i t h I s h e 's h e a r d most o f t h i s . 11 c e rta in ly 12 on Wednesday a t t h e t im e — 13 to h e r jo b i n t e r v i e w 14 THE COURT: is t o go w i t h — e le v e n i f it goes t h a t one o f o u r c h o s e n . fa r t h e way o f h e r On t h e o t h e r hand I ' m w i l l i n g a fte r to le t When we chose h e r , h e r go she So I w o u l d n ' t o b j e c t t h a t a llo w in g her a t t h i s and be r e l e a s e d if it t im e goes t h a t And t h e n have a d e c i s i o n w i t h th e — to go fa r. w ith j u s t e le v e n . 16 MR. MCGRATH: 17 THE COURT: W ith e le v e n . You f i n d T h a t's c o rre c t. t h a t t o be j u s t cause t o e x c u s e h er. 19 MR. MCGRATH: 20 THE COURT: 21 MR. TR U ITT: 22 c o n tin u in g . d o n 't want to stan d i n 10 18 are on have no — 6 15 comes up t o t h a t t im e H onor, if 24 and I 25 w ith M r. do. T ru itt. L e t me d e f e r you d o n ' t m in d . Y our H o n o r, 23 I th in k e le v e n . I I'm t o M r. s till Jackson f i r s t . Y our p o n d e r in g my p o s i t i o n . have d is c u s s e d t h e m a t t e r w i t h my c l i e n t our p o s i t io n is w e 'r e u n c o m fo rta b le w it h So we need t o g u a rd a g a i n s t t h e g o in g e v e n tu a lity

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886 1 th a t 2 th e re 3 g o in g t o go. 4 h e r now o r excu se h e r a t t h e end o f t h e d ay and t h e n — th is is d e lib e ra tio n And I t h a t w ay. 9 d e lib e ra tio n s . ta lk And t h e n s e a t t h e a l t e r n a t e b e tw e e n and h a n d le I w o u ld p r e f e r n o t g o in g w i t h e l e v e n 10 THE COURT: 11 MR. TR U ITT: Your p u rp o s e i s E ith e r t o e x cu se h e r r i g h t now o r a t in to it th e r i g h t now. t h e end o f t h e day. MR. JACKSON: 13 ju ro rs , I 14 e le v e n 15 tw e lv e — 16 her to 17 have t h e a l t e r n a t e s th e M r. th in k t o a v o id t h e p r o b le m o f g o in g t o Edwards has i n d i c a t e d tw e lv e ju ro rs t o d e c id e l e a v e h a l f way t h r o u g h , 18 THE COURT: 19 MR. JACKSON: 20 MR. TR U ITT: 21 THE COURT: 22 MR. MCGRATH: 23 THE COURT: 25 guess o u r f e e l i n g w o u ld be t o e x cu se Do d e f e n s e c o u n s e l w a n t t o MR. TR U ITT: 8 24 are y o u rs e lv e s ? 7 12 goes l o n g e r t h a n a n t i c i p a t e d , no way t o gauge how lo n g th e d e l i b e r a t i o n s THE COURT: 5 6 if lo s e t h a t he w a n ts t h e th is case, f o r h a v in g t h e end o f t h e d ay t h e n s te p up. A t t h e end o f t h e day? Why n o t do i t R i g h t now. M r. r i g h t now. Y our Honor? Your H o n o r. M c G ra th . R i g h t now. Y o u 'r e J u d g e. a g re e a b le t o e x c u s in g h e r rig h t now? MR. McGRATH: T h a t's if th a t's th e p r e fe r e n c e o f my

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887 1 c o -c o u n s e l, yes. 2 THE COURT; 3 MR. MCGRATH; 4 THE COURT; 5 MR. MCGRATH; 6 THE COURT; M r. 7 MR. BELLA; I wonder i f You and y o u r c l i e n t b o th a g r e e My c l i e n t My p o i n t a n o th er a l t e r n a t i v e 9 ta k in g 11 over th e — 13 w o n 't — she a g r e e s w i t h it. t h e r e 's th e r e 's THE COURT; T h at p ro b a b ly i s n ' t be d e l i b e r a t i n g What I ' m 16 t h e m o rn in g i s t o o r d e r lu n c h f o r 17 lu n c h i n b e c ause I 18 out in to 19 a lr e a d y heard f i n a l 20 O b v i o u s l y som etim es we a l l o w 21 e v e n in g , 24 25 p ra c tic a l b e c ause by lu n c h t im e t h a t t h e case w i l l h a te to a llo w com m unity i f but th a t's MR. BELLA; is . p l a n n i n g on d o i n g , fa c t 23 th a t so t h e y them t o d i s b u r s e not n ecessary, M r. d e fe r a fte r them i n and go th e y 'v e in s tru c tio n s . them t o go home f o r o n l y when i t ' s I'll be g i v e n t o them and have them e a t a rg u m e n ts and t h e i n m in d , c o u n s e l, th e a b s o lu te ly necessary. B e lla ? to th e d i s c r e t i o n o f th e C o u r t, Your H o n o r. THE COURT; jo b have lu n c h i n . because o f th e W ith t h a t is tom o rro w t o accommodate h e r 15 22 if t h a t can be c o n s id e r e d and t h a t th e y 'll th e y 'll th e a — d o n ' t know how p r a c t i c a l MR. McGRATH; 12 14 I t a k i n g my d i r e c t i o n . B e lla . t h e lu n c h b r e a k l a t e in te rv ie w . th a t? Yes. 8 10 is is to M r. B e lla , y o u 'r e n o n -c o m m itta l th e n .

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888 1 y o u 'll d e fe r to w h ate v e r th e C o u rt d e c id e s . MR. BELLA: 2 I w o u ld p r e f e r 3 d e c id e th e case. 4 happen. 5 to m o rro w , 6 be t h a t t h e r e w i l l 7 t im e It may be t h a t if th e y s t a r t d e li b e r a t i n g t h e case w o uld r e s c h e d u le be no p r o b le m . f o r W ednesday, it W e ll, th is C o u rt e x e rc is e s 10 ju s t cause u n d e r t h a t , 1 1 m is tr ia l 12 case a f t e r and t h i s We w o n ' t know u n t i l if t h a t comes a b o u t , its th e n u n le s s d is c r e t io n under 2 2 (b ) th e a l t e r n a t i v e C ourt is No. to and f i n d s t h a t w o u ld be a n o t p ro n e t o w a n t t o m i s t r y And I 14 t o have t w e l v e p e o p le t r y 15 v e rd ic t. re s p e c t th e d e fe n d a n ts ' th e case t o d e t e r m i n e THE COURT: So w h a t a r e you s a y i n g , M r. B e lla ? 17 MR. BELLA: I and I 19 th e 20 I th is u n d e rs ta n d d o n 't want a m i s t r i a l th a t — I ju s t d e fe r d e s ire th e 16 and th e a week o f t r i a l . MR. BELLA: 18 may comes. 9 13 tw e lv e The p ro b le m i s we d o n ' t know w h a t w i l l THE COURT: 8 t o have t h e o r i g i n a l — to th e e ith e r d is c re tio n C o u rt. THE COURT: And d e f e n d a n t s a r e a l l 21 d i s c h a r g i n g M is s W h it e r i g h t now, 22 one t a k e h e r p l a c e and p r o c e e d in g w i t h 23 MR. TR U ITT: T h a t's 24 MR. MCGRATH: T h a t's 25 MR. JACKSON: Yes, a g re e a b le le ttin g c o rre c t. c o rre c t. Your H o n o r. th e to a lte rn a te tria l. number of

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889 1 THE COURT: 2 MR. McGRATH: 3 MR. TRU ITT; 4 THE COURT: or 2 3 (b ) And i n fa c t Yes, th a t's your w is h . Your H o n o r. Yes. The C o u r t r e a l i z i n g 5 — as a p o s s i b l e 6 s h o u ld e x e r c i s e 7 w e 'v e been g i v e n s u f f i c i e n t 8 by e x c u s in g h e r . it to o l, t im e it, 11 up l o s i n g 12 have t o e x e r c i s e 13 at 14 And we s t i l l 15 l e a s t up u n t i l 16 throug h d e li b e r a t i o n s 17 A c c o rd in g ly , somebody d u r i n g d e l i b e r a t i o n s I th a t 2 3 (b ), th in k I have — but a t I it th in k and I th a t may end ju ro rs be a b l e th a t a t to go case. 18 go ahead and excu se M r s . W h i t e . 19 p ic k e d fo u r a lt e r n a t e s 20 t h e y s h o u ld a r i s e . 21 t o e x cu se M is s W h it e 22 w ra p s and t h e n I ' m 23 no o b j e c t i o n , 24 is 25 as i f T h a t's th e f o r p ro b le m s o f t h e s e So w h a t I ' m r i g h t now, te ll o f no im p o r t a n c e and t h e y ' r e I'm g o in g t o r e a s o n why we ty p e s , g o in g t o do i s I th a t am g o in g have t h e M a r s h a l s g e t h e r th e ju ry if c o u n s e l have t h a t M is s W h it e has been e x c u s e d , she had n o t been p r e s e n t p r o b le m may s t i l l guess j u s t o u t o f c a u t i o n , g o in g t o th in k as much as p o s s i b l e . b e lie v e w i l l th is I We s t i l l we w o u ld have t w e l v e in I l e a s t by e x c u s in g M is s W h i t e am a v o i d i n g now we w i l l it to cure a p o s s ib le w o u ld p r o b a b l y be t h e b e t t e r way t o go. t im e has R u le 22 u n le s s a b s o l u t e l y n e c e s s a r y . 10 th is s till does n o t f e e l D e fe n s e c o u n s e l h a v in g a g r e e d t o 9 it to proceed w it h th e reason th e tria l

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890 1 MR. TR U ITT; T h a t w ould be a g r e e a b l e . 2 MR. JACKSON; Yes, Your H o n o r. 3 MR. MCGRATH; Yes, Your H o n o r. 4 MR. BELLA; Yes, 5 THE COURT; G et M is s W h it e back i n h e r e . 6 I th in k Your H o n o r. I w ill a ls o t e l l M is s W h it e w e ' r e 7 e x cu se h e r now so she d o e s n ' t t h i n k 8 t h a t a g re e a b le ? MR. TR U ITT; 9 Yes, 11 THE COURT; 12 w ith th e a tto r n e y s 14 t o e x cu se you now. 15 w ith your o th e r 16 d e lib e ra tio n s 17 And i t ' s p re fe r fe llo w are I and w h at I I am g o in g t o do i s t h a t you be a b l e ju ro rs , but I g o in g to d e li b e r a t e d o n ' t know how lo n g i m p o r t a n t f o r me t o make s u r e t h a t y o u ' r e a p o s i t i o n where y o u ' r e 19 p o s s ib le jo b or t h a t 20 a t th e 21 t h a t e v e r y b o d y t h a t comes b e f o r e 22 c o m p le te ly f a i r 23 th a t 24 in te r v ie w . same t im e it's it not g o in g t o be d e n i e d a w o u ld have any e f f e c t on y o u , but j u s t as i m p o r t a n t t o me t o make s u r e and i m p a r t i a l th is tria l. t h e back o f y o u r mind t h i n k i n g So r a t h e r I'm g o in g t o t a k e . put in to 25 th e c o u rtro o m , open c o u r t , have d is c u s s e d y o u r p r o b le m 18 in Is Your H o n o r. M is s W h i t e , 13 g o in g t o s o m e t h in g 's w ro n g . (The j u r u r was e s c o r t e d i n t o and t h e t r i a l was resumed i n r e p o r t e d as f o l l o w s : ) 10 Your H o n o r. C ourt r e c e iv e And I a w o u ld n 't want about your t h a n t o have any t y p e o f a p r o b le m , jo b I'm

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